I found it in the trial transcripts, cant recall the volume. The digitally enhanced tape was played and they were refering to the text transcript (exhibit 18D) but I would like to see a true copy, so I can see what they saw. The sound expert didnt sound very convincing on the 'moving from room to room' evidence - talked of damped and reflective ambience (carpet/no carpet) but could only establish the difference in a minute part of the tape - like 4-6 seconds. Technology has moved on, it would be good to get that tape analysed again now, she was certainly busy doing something!Goody said:
The 911 Call
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I agree. I would love to see that tape analyzed by the FBI labs or some equal in high tech sound lab. I think the guy they had was okay, but I don't really see her moving back and forth from room to room after she made the 911 call. Unless she went in to stab Damon again, but not to do the cleaning up they think she did. But then I think she had more time to do what she had to do than the state did. And I don't think she was hiding anything from Darin.Britlaw said:
I didn't think the state's sound expert's theories matched the other evidence but I haven't read that part of the transcript in ages. I might view it entirely different now.
I agree that the 911 transcript in the trial transcripts is probably not as good as the official exhibit because the court reporter transcribed it from ear.
As for the moving from carpet to vinyl, with the right equipment, actual sound waves can be measured. I am not sure this guy's equipment was that sophisticated though. I have never known just what to make of his testimony.
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I make it as Darin saying "they or he can't make it if they don't get here." He tells Darlie a couple of times to "get somebody"
I distinctly hear the "can't" so I don't believe Darin says Drake or Blake at all.
I don't think we will ever get the full transcript of the 911 call. Some of us have heard a lot more than what the original transcript notes. There is software that can bring it up but it's terribly expensive.
Darlie's "someone just walked in her and intentionally did it Darin" is pretty audible. She goes from alleged hysteria to anger in nanoseconds. Listen to the anger in her voice, I can't shake it....those poor little kids. Her hissing to Darin, "damon, damon, damon" has always disturbed me right from the beginning. Then there's her fixation on her prints on the knife. What mother whose kids are dead and dying in front of cares less that she left her prints on the murder weapon...unless she's guilty of the crime.
I'll try to find what I transcribed from it but I think I got rid of those notes long ago.
We all seem to hear things differently but the bit I mentioned before at 1:12:21 - I saved the MP3 file then snipped it at that point and enhanced it (with teenage sons software he does stuff with) and then slowed it down. I can definately hear "Oh my god drake get in here" with a tone of voice quite unlike Darlies.... like more convincing. When I speed it up it seems even more compelling. I'll ask him if he can make it better and save it and post it here for a consensus. I played it via the sound system with woofers and tweeters and all and I am fairly convinced. It's not like I am mistaking the accent either, as I have both friends and family who are Texans (if Darin were canadian or a Geordie it would be a different matter lol).
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Britlaw said:
LOl, yeah Geordie might be easier aahahaha. My mother is Lancashire but she took elocution lessons so she could lose the accent...now she sounds more Canadian than English. It's the Scots I can't understand, LOL.
Sorry but I do have to disagree with you. Let's agree to disagree. Yes we all do hear different things. I am fairly certain he does not say Drake. Drake was an infant, eight months old. Why would Darin be calling him to "get in here"
I too have played mine on my mp3 player sound system. I have it burned to a cd. I have a producer friend who has run it through his sound system and we hear differently. He is the producer who told me about the vinyl software--it can bring a voice out of the mud--but it's very expensive so neither he nor I will be purchasing it any time soon, LOL.
Dani has it on a wavfile and emailed to me, I still have it, and I found that there is a tiny bit of voice distortion on the word "blake/drake/make because it is slowed down. It really does sound like Blake, but I definitely hear the word "can't" so I stick by my original.
I will play along......Could it be just a slip of the tongue? I am always calling my kids by their siblings names and stumbling all over verbally. Happens a lot when Mom is excited. Might she have said Drake when she meant Damon. Maybe that is the moment she realizes Damon is still alive or that he has moved from where she thought he was to the place near the kitchen.Britlaw said:
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Goody said:
It's not Darlie, it's Darin, Goody.
I was coming to tell Brit that I played it over and over again last night and I am coming around to her, Dani's really, way of thinking. I don't hear Darin say Drake, but I didn't hear "make" it either...so I am open now to it being "blake" which is what Dani makes it as. Brit if you want me to email you the wavfile on this let me know by pm....thanks
Oh er, its Darin talking but yeah, he realises that Damon is still alive and that his wife is still wielding a knife and in desperation to get him away from her before she finishes him off he mistakes the name - "Oh My God Drake get in here" meaning Damon. His voice really does sound quite desperate to me. I do think that if she did do it (and I have only ever questioned the investigative/legal process and not her guilt), that she had such a power over him that she convinced him to cover up for her. I previously posted about this somewhere with Shipmans wife as a comparison. You wouldnt have thought anyone sane would do something like that but she covered up, professed his innocence and stood by him and he killed like 150 people.Goody said:
911 File is on sons puter and hes away but will PM you Cami when I got it.
O, I remember that one now. All it is is the "ake" sound. I think Darin is saying the kids aren't going to make it if help doesn't arrive soon. We have argued this one many times. I just didn't recognize it when Brit first posted her question on it. Of course, I am always open for suggestion if someone can get a good device to show us what he is saying.cami said:
I really don't think she convinced him of anything that night. Darin told the therapist that their marriage was effected by the boys, mentioning something about they "couldn't run around naked anymore." And some other statements along those lines. Yes, it is true most parents would voice things like that, usually in jest unless it was a big issue. No matter how you look at it, it sounded like the two adults talked over the problems with the boys many times before that night. With her suicide attempt/threat only a month before, it makes me think that they both knew about these murders before they occurred. If Darin had any trouble, it was in sticking to the plan after the crime.Britlaw said:
Of course, I could be wrong. I see a bunch of little red flags that don't really tell me enough but create a lot of suspicion for both parents, esp after the first part of May 1996 until the murders June 6, 1996.
Does a case exist over there where both natural parents brutally murder their own children? I cant think of one over here. We have had couples who abuse children and death eventually results but all the ones I can think of the couple arent both biological parents. Not saying it cant happen but its quite a coincidence getting two people capable of doing that who are married to eachother.
Hi Brit. You're right, it's usually a mother and stepfather, isn't it? Sadly, there have been many cases of young kids dying as the result of abuse by the mother's partner, and the mother seems to have either colluded in it or ignored it...Britlaw said:
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Britlaw said:
Who Primrose Shipman did? aaaaahahah I love that name. I saw her on a documentary not long ago, she was professing his innocence after he was arrested. He was a real sicko wasn't he.
I think his voice does sound quite panicked and distraught. I thought I heard him crying..he repeats a few times "get somebody and he sounds like he is crying. I do not hear him say "Drake" it sounds more like "Blake" ??? That's what it sounds like on the wav file.
I am going to get it into my real player again and see if I can't buffer out some of that static, then play it again in my mp3 player. I have a downloaded copy from the internet burned to a cd so it's not great.
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Britlaw said:
What about Fred and Rosemary West? They killed their natural daughter Heather. She was buried in the garden along with the other girls. What a sick pair they were eh? Like Canada's Bernardo and Homolka...
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Goody said:
Yeah that's it. I think he says or have always thought he said "he can't make it..if they don't get here" but now I am not so sure. Back to the drawing board....
On the wave file that Dani slowed down, it sounds like "get Blake and get in here"
Good point, but I think that would depend on the motive. When money comes into the mix, anything is possible, depending on the people involved. How many kids have we had team up to kill the parents, even one parent has been loving to them.Britlaw said:
You are right though that I don't know of any other cases specifically like the Routiers in that regard, but recently in Tennessee a mother and stepfather killed her children from a previous marriage because the kids were interfering in their relationship. The stepfather confessed, the mother still denies it.
I take it all back....Oh my, how could I forget Rosemary and Fred West.....*shudder*....Lord knows why I forgot them. I think that we Brits like to forget these horrible people (like Shipman, Huntley, Hyndley, Brady et al). Yes they did kill their own daughter but you have to admit its not quite the same as the Routiers. The wests killed and buried their own daughter under the floor of the house/in the garden with a shed load of other poor young girls. They never lead an ordinary life as a couple like the Routiers. We never know what goes on behind closed doors but there wasnt a queue of people lining up to give positive character statements about the Wests at their trial.
Gawd, thats made me feel quite ill recalling the Wests.....like Shipman, Fred West the coward killed himself in jail. I dont believe in the death penalty but those two sure do test ones convictions.
If you must know more http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/caseclosed/fredwest1.shtml
Gawd, thats made me feel quite ill recalling the Wests.....like Shipman, Fred West the coward killed himself in jail. I dont believe in the death penalty but those two sure do test ones convictions.
If you must know more http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/caseclosed/fredwest1.shtml
Well, these two were serial rapists/killers. Not many husband and wife teams in that arena either but a few have popped up in recent years. Just looking at their photo, they look pretty normal to me. But there is that old thing about the book and the cover that comes to mind. I think most parents who murder do it because of their tempers and abusive natures or for monetary gains. We are seeing some in recent years killing children to unburden themselves of the responsibility or because they feel the children are standing in the way of something they want like a lover.Britlaw said:
I do think Darlie's case probably is unique in some ways. She was not a known child abuser, didn't seem to lack patience with the children, did not neglect them. While she had them, they were well nourished, well dressed, kept clean, etc. Her worst attribute seems to be that she sometimes locked them out for long periods and let them run all over the neighborhood unsupervised. So I don't think she overreacted to some behavior problem. People who do that usally show a pattern well in advance and there just isnt one for Darlie.
As far as we know it was not a violent household. No one has ever accused Darin of being violent with Darlie. Some had accused her of throwing things at him, but no one has ever accused her of hauling off and actually hitting him with something. Also, as far as we know she never behaved that way at home, only at the shop. So I think it was more for show.
The only thing that came up was Darin saying he once held a gun to his head to dramatize his feelings in an argument with her. He called it just some of their "dramatic bull>" He claimed that both he and Darlie had their dramatic things they brought into their relationship. With that as a guide, it might give us a little glimpse of how the knife came into the scene that night. If one of them used it to express some "dramatic bull." .....but even so how does it end up in her hand with her stabbing her children and why isn't Darin stopping her? If he's guilty, why does all the physical evidence point to her? If he is innocent, why is he supporting the woman who slaughtered his boys? Why does he seem so regretful immediately afterwards and at the same time so eager to sweep it all away? Who can take the trinkets and toys off of dying wreaths left in their front yard by wellwishers and toss them around like they are playing basketball, jump up and down as if they have not a care in the world less than 2 weeks after the kids die? There are a million questions about Darin.
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Britlaw said:
Those two certainly were sickos. And she, Rosemary, killed Fred's daughter Charmaine while he was banged up. He didn't blink an eye, just dug up the body and reburied her somewhere else.
Yes it's not quite the same, they were sexual sadists....Darlie and Darin certainly don't qualify for that title. I think D&D were narcissistic and that may have contributed in a small way. They were caught up in the lifestyle they created for themselves and when the money train started to peter out....well
I agree about the DP. We don't have it in Canada either but Bernardo/Homolka would get my vote for it...actually I'd cheerfully push the plunger on Bernardo.