Sissi, are you absolutely sure about that?
No one was home, Patsy was away, he didn't want to muss his suit, it had nothing to do with easing his entry.
I know this was covered in a released transcript, but I thought he said it was early in the morning (like around 3am) on a hot August evening when this happened. I thought he said that he didn't want to wake Patsy and the kids....I'll have to go to ACR's and find that now, or it'll bother me all day long.
You're right sissi, he said Patsy was at the lake. The interviewer says the grate was really heavy...hard to move and the angles one has to navigate down into the well and through the window are difficult as well.
ST: OK. When you had previously broken that basement window to gain entry to the home when you had been locked out, can you approximate what month that was?
JR: Well, I think it was last summer. Because Patsy was up at Lake (inaudible) all summer, and it would have been July or August probably, somewhere in that time frame.
ST: Did you remove that grate and get down into the window well?
JR: Uh-huh.
ST: And what did you use to break the pane?
JR: Ah, I dont remember. Might have been my foot, I dont know.
ST: OK. You reach in, Im assuming, unlatched it and gain entry through that small window.
JR: Yeah.
ST: Did you then replace the grate onto that window well?
JR: Oh I probably would have done it that night. Im sure I didnt the next morning or, you know, or thereafter.
ST: Did you remove that whole grate off onto the, off the well, to jump down there and get in?
JR: Ah, probably. I dont remember.
Another section has this:
Tom Trujillo: "Okay. And let's hop back to the grate for just a second, 'cause I picked the grate up, it's really heavy, I mean fairly heavy. Picked it up, moved it out of the way, kind of hopped down, I mean first peeked into that window, hopped down into that window well, you ended up, have to kick the window, break the window somehow, reach in and unlatch it. How far of a drop is it (to the basement floor), or is it a difficult I should say to drop from the window well..."
John Ramsey: "It's probably, I don't know, four feet maybe, five feet."
Tom Trujillo: "Okay. But on the outside you've got that kind of skinny narrow window well. Did you have any difficulty sliding into that or sliding down the wall?"
John Ramsey: "Yeah, well, as I recall, I did it at night and I had a suit on, and I took my suit off and did it in my underwear. But, it's not easy, I mean, you can get in that way, you get dirty, but."
Tom Trujillo: "It's not a graceful way to get in?"
John Ramsey: "No, no."
Tom Trujillo: "It's difficult because of the angles?"
John Ramsey: "Right"
Steve Thomas: "Tom, let me just ask John this. Do you sit down and slide through, buttocks first if you will, through a window like that or, do you recall how you went through the actual window, John?"
John Ramsey: "I don't....remember. Seems like, I mean, I don't remember, but I think I would probably have gone in feet first."
Steve Thomas: "Feet first, backwards?"
John Ramsey: "Yeah."
Steve Thomas: "And when you went through in your underwear, were you wearing shoes...?"
John Ramsey: "I still had my shoes on, yeah."
Steve Thomas: "And were those with a suit, were they business shoes?"
John Ramsey: "They were probably, probably those shoes."
Steve Thomas: "Okay. And what are those shoes?"
John Ramsey: "Business shoes...shoes that I wear with a suit, just a pair of business shoes, dress shoes.