The couch issue - and painting the walls

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This is all correct. And consistent.

Billie's brother bought new couches, and gave her his old ones. Billie's old ones got stuck in the back of that broken down truck in her front yard for lack of anywhere else to put them. The couches sat there for 2 or 3 days...

Billie says that the couch sat out in the front yard and some guys that worked at the power plant (made sure to say that she didn't know who they were) came by and offered to come by with a truck to take them to the dump..the local CC dump.

Then a woman came by and asked if she could have them. Billie said yes, and the woman had a couple of guys pick them up for her.

The "power plant guys" came to get them and they were already gone.

But, but, but...

On BTH Billie said the power plant guys asked if they could bring the couches to the dump, the local CCity dump. The interviewer asked her specifically if anyone wanted to look at the couches they were at the CCity dump and Billie said, "yes".


I just listened to it and that's what she said, couches are at the dump. No mention of any woman getting those couches.
 
BD is a Compulsive Liar.

Hailey was staying elsewhere periodically and I wonder if BD ever kicked Hailey out of her house in the heat of an argument or told Hailey to leave?

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The Definition of a Compulsive Liar

A compulsive liar is someone who lies with ease and finds comfort in it. The person will fib about everything and anything with no conscience whatsoever. Lying has become an addiction, and the person doesn't even think about the lies he or she tells. The person will even continue to lie if you present the truth in cold hard facts. Getting a person to admit he or she lied is almost impossible.

Surprisingly, Compulsive Lying Disorder is not actually a psychiatric disorder. Instead, it may be a symptom of another psychiatric disorder such as Borderline Personality or Bipolar Disorder. Not all people who are compulsive liars suffer from a psychiatric illness, but there is usually an underlying reason for the behavior.

• Addicted to the thrill: The person loves the excitement of being able to deceive others and enjoys the reactions received from people. The lying continues because the person craves the attention and thrill of getting away with it.
• Fear of repercussions: Sometimes people will fib when they know the truth will get them into trouble. Usually in this case, one false story turns into many others.
• Seeking rewards: People will sometimes lie because they want something they wouldn't be able to get otherwise.
• Low self-esteem: People who feel down on themselves and want to look better in the eyes of the people around them will often make up stories about themselves.

The Difference Between Pathological and Compulsive Liar

Many people get these two confused because they are similar. However, pathological liars usually only fib when they want to make themselves look better in front of other people. They create an entirely different role for themselves that they must continue to portray over time, and this means they have to keep lying. The main difference between pathological and compulsive liars is that pathological liars will believe they are telling the truth, while compulsive liars know they are not, but will never admit it. With a pathological liar, you never really know if what they say is true or not, and you may never find out.

How NOT to Deal with a Liar

You may feel compelled to prove to the person what he or she says is not right, but save yourself the time and effort. The compulsive liar will most likely not listen to you. All it will do is cause more grief for you because you will become easily aggravated at the person because of the persistence he or she shows for the untruth.

The Choice is Yours

Compulsive lying is a habit, so it is likely the person doing the lying will never stop. You can either deal with the lies or move on with your life and enjoy it with genuine people. If you can't let this person go, just remember to not place much faith in what he or she says.

http://addiction.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Compulsive_Lying_Disorder
 
Whether or not BD is a compulsive liar, she definitely implied other people are lying on the radio show BTHN, she said Hailey never lived with DB or Clint (since separation implied) and she's only attended CC school!

We have her friend stating BD said one thing about the couches and BD herself stating another on the radio show.

We know BD changes her stories as often as I change underwear, or more, so how can we trust anything she says?

I wish anyone who touched those couches when they were on that truck to come forward and give their side of the story, and I mean the plant workers and/or the woman who supposedly took them.

This is crazy!!!
:pullhair:
 
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Wise Old Owl:

Just noticed in my post upthread that I referred to you as Wild Old Owl. Sorry! I can tell from your posts that you're Wise, but have no idea whether you're Wild or not. Apologies... This case is making me crazy... :crazy:
 
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Wise Old Owl:

Just noticed in my post upthread that I referred to you as Wild Old Owl. Sorry! I can tell from your posts that you're Wise, but have no idea whether you're Wild or not. Apologies... This case is making me crazy... :crazy:

Ooh maybe it's Wild Wise Old Owl, kinda has a ring to it...:crazy:
 
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Wise Old Owl:

Just noticed in my post upthread that I referred to you as Wild Old Owl. Sorry! I can tell from your posts that you're Wise, but have no idea whether you're Wild or not. Apologies... This case is making me crazy... :crazy:
Thinkin' that suits her.:great:

A new 12" of snow this morning...on top of what's left from the last two storms...and still coming! I better shut up. BD will be trying to hide the couch in my backyard.

(Keep having to remind myself that I live in the Sunny South!)
 
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Wise Old Owl:

Just noticed in my post upthread that I referred to you as Wild Old Owl. Sorry! I can tell from your posts that you're Wise, but have no idea whether you're Wild or not. Apologies... This case is making me crazy... :crazy:
:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

That's quite all right. Yes, I've been known to be a little wild - but I try to limit my "wildness" to the basement and parking lot.

And I kinda like Wild Wise Old Owl too. :crazy:
 
So in reveiwing the case in my head and thinking about the couch being traded I got to thinking about all the other changes and details that are weird. Not weird per say but interesting and inconvenient . Not that I am suspicous of these events but I do think we should note them cuz one never knows.

SA quits job
CD's phone is broke
BD gets handme down couch
THe uncle brother/ Gets a new couch
CD moves
Neighbor that saw Hailey on phone is kick out of his friends house so he moves.

Maybe we should start a thread? an inconvenient time line? I dunno it just seems all these things could be redflags if they were arranged differently but they arent but who is to say whats going to happen later.
Are any of the events going to become more important later, excluding SA's job?
 
This is all correct. And consistent.

Billie's brother bought new couches, and gave her his old ones. Billie's old ones got stuck in the back of that broken down truck in her front yard for lack of anywhere else to put them. The couches sat there for 2 or 3 days...

Billie says that the couch sat out in the front yard and some guys that worked at the power plant (made sure to say that she didn't know who they were) came by and offered to come by with a truck to take them to the dump..the local CC dump.

Then a woman came by and asked if she could have them. Billie said yes, and the woman had a couple of guys pick them up for her.

The "power plant guys" came to get them and they were already gone.

While I have no idea what, if anything the couch has to do with the investigation, I have to respectfully disagree with you here..These stories are NOT consistent IMO..to be honest I find the inconsistencies here quite typical of the inconsistencies we have heard throughout this case..Some have been slightly inconsistent and some much more glaring..but when 2+2 never equals 4, you gotta wonder about everything...

What bothers me most about these couch stories is that in the 2 versions mentioned in my previous post both came from Billie herself and they are not the same..

The first version in which Billies friend supposedly specifically ask her about them and this was what Billie said..

The couches sat there for 2 or 3 days, and then a woman came by and asked if she could have them. Billie said yes, and the woman had a couple of guys pick them up for her.


In the second version which we heard for ourselves she states..

some guys that worked at the power plant came by and offered to take them to the dump..the local CC dump..

No mention of this 'lady' or the 'dump' at all in #2...She makes it sound like she KNEW that some lady wanted this couch to use in story #1. If it was one or two mis-speaks, I wouldn't think much of it, but when just about every story has changed in some way in this case, I can't help but wonder why.. So I have to ask..It is coincidence, (once again) did she mis-speak, was she just wrong in her first tale, or is she lying about it for a reason? I'm of the mind that many details had to be changed as time went on for some reason and I want to know what that reason is...


Link to friends complete post...
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6054159#post6054159"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
 
Posting for reference from Billie's radio interview:

Caller Katrina asks about the couches.

Okay, the couches were taken out a couple of weeks ago, just because my brother got new furniture, and brought me his old furniture, which was in better shape than mine. We set them out in the front yard. Some guys that worked at the power plant, I don’t even know the people, but they came by and offered to take them to the dump, the local Colorado City dump.

Caller Katrina: So if anyone, Billie, wanted to look at those couches for any reason, they’re at the dump. Correct?

Correct.

Host: They have searched the dump, but it wasn’t for those couches?

No, it wasn’t for the couches, just our trash. Anything Hailey could’ve wrote on, or anybody could’ve wrote any kind of clue on.
 
Posting for reference from Billie's radio interview:

Caller Katrina asks about the couches.

Okay, the couches were taken out a couple of weeks ago, just because my brother got new furniture, and brought me his old furniture, which was in better shape than mine. We set them out in the front yard. Some guys that worked at the power plant, I don’t even know the people, but they came by and offered to take them to the dump, the local Colorado City dump.

Caller Katrina: So if anyone, Billie, wanted to look at those couches for any reason, they’re at the dump. Correct?

Correct.

Host: They have searched the dump, but it wasn’t for those couches?

No, it wasn’t for the couches, just our trash. Anything Hailey could’ve wrote on, or anybody could’ve wrote any kind of clue on.

TY BeanE...Don't you just love the "I don't even know the people"? Big surprise there, huh? Just keep everything vague..I'm guessing that's been the plan all along..
 
I am afraid I am going to have nightmares about this couch....I try to not see the thread for it and then there it is, LOL
 
I am afraid I am going to have nightmares about this couch....I try to not see the thread for it and then there it is, LOL

Nana..I'm one that didn't think a whole lot about the couch until the stories of the disposal of it started changing!



eta~In the beginning I *assumed* that only an idiot would dispose of a couch that contained any evidence right smack in the middle of an investigation...now I wonder, lol...
 
Could there be a chance LE has the couch and we just don't know about it?

It just bothers me that the couch was tossed out and replaced just a few days after a child disappeared. imoo
 
Nana..I'm one that didn't think a whole lot about the couch until the stories of the disposal of it started changing!



eta~In the beginning I *assumed* that only an idiot would dispose of a couch that contained any evidence right smack in the middle of an investigation...now I wonder, lol...

Kinda like only a fool would delete (already seen) texts in front of a LE officer?

:waitasec: (sorry couldn't help myself)
 
Dangdest dang case I ever dang done seen.:banghead:
 
I think those power plant dudes that Billie does't even know (who graciously volunteered to escort her couches to the dump) are law enforcements officers. Those couches are being tested for vomit, blood, other bodily fluids, and signs of sulfuric acid and/or other agents used for deep cleaning.

Thats my position on the couch right now; but again, I'd be more comfortable if we had some LE confirmation...

P.s. I agree with WiseOldOwl that the cushions may have been taken first; but the full couches are needed to test the arm rests and the back rest too. And, I think the couch issue is totally thread-worthy - they could be the only source of physical evidence if something happened to Hailey before she was moved from the house. Billie's minimizing their importance just confirms their importance to me. I have never put so much thought into couches in my life!
 
I think those power plant dudes that Billie does't even know (who graciously volunteered to escort her couches to the dump) are law enforcements officers. Those couches are being tested for vomit, blood, other bodily fluids, and signs of sulfuric acid and/or other agents used for deep cleaning.

Thats my position on the couch right now; but again, I'd be more comfortable if we had some LE confirmation...

I hope you are right. I just don't know if I have enough faith to believe that. I don't know if they knew, at that point in the investigation, that HD slep on the couch every night. I hope they knew that, and I HOPE they thought it was odd that the couches were being removed from the house. But then again we hear that random strangers were taking them to the city dump.

My only hope is what someone mentioned upstream somewhere, that PERHAPS LE took the cushions a long time ago. We can hope anyway.
 
I think those power plant dudes that Billie does't even know (who graciously volunteered to escort her couches to the dump) are law enforcements officers. Those couches are being tested for vomit, blood, other bodily fluids, and signs of sulfuric acid and/or other agents used for deep cleaning.

Thats my position on the couch right now; but again, I'd be more comfortable if we had some LE confirmation...

P.s. I agree with WiseOldOwl that the cushions may have been taken first; but the full couches are needed to test the arm rests and the back rest too. And, I think the couch issue is totally thread-worthy - they could be the only source of physical evidence if something happened to Hailey before she was moved from the house. Billie's minimizing their importance just confirms their importance to me. I have never put so much thought into couches in my life!


ahhh...vedy, vedy good thinking my dear! That thought hadn't occurred to me! I swear though..IF the couch does have any kind of evidence found on it and BD and SA set it out in the middle of this investigation...I will be just flabbergasted..that would just take the cake..
 
SERIOUSLY! BD admits that is where HD slept! basically HDs bed?
Isn't that like a guy selling his missing wifes car the week after she goes missing?
Well worse, cause it could be the smoking gun here.It HAS to be signficant.
 
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