The couch issue - and painting the walls

[Truthwillsetufree]

The only things about the couches is this....
What evidence could be found?
Bodily fluids...occurs on any couch...
Hair fibers...occurs on any couch....
Cleaning agents...occurs on any couch...
Blood residue..occurs on any couch....
Decomposition fluids....okay, this would be a problem.....
Have I missed anything? Please add to if I did.

 

[CN2Souls]

The only things about the couches is this....
What evidence could be found?
Bodily fluids...occurs on any couch...
Hair fibers...occurs on any couch....
Cleaning agents...occurs on any couch...
Blood residue..occurs on any couch....
Decomposition fluids....okay, this would be a problem.....
Have I missed anything? Please add to if I did.

Hair Follicle (like in Caylee's case) with death ring...


What bothers me (can't think of the right word).... is they sat on that very couch and gave interviews...

I will be utterly appalled if it then comes back with decomposition on it... (thats if they are indeed testing it)

 

[my_tee_mouse]

The only things about the couches is this....
What evidence could be found?
Bodily fluids...occurs on any couch...
Hair fibers...occurs on any couch....
Cleaning agents...occurs on any couch...
Blood residue..occurs on any couch....
Decomposition fluids....okay, this would be a problem.....
Have I missed anything? Please add to if I did.

Traces of regurgitated drugs.

 

[yllek]

ahhh...vedy, vedy good thinking my dear! That thought hadn't occurred to me! I swear though..IF the couch does have any kind of evidence found on it and BD and SA set it out in the middle of this investigation...I will be just flabbergasted..that would just take the cake..

BBM

I hear ya; that cake is all gone for me.

I was flabbergasted when we learned that Billie had known about Shawn leaving work on 12/27 a.m. at least 5 days before her first NG appearance and chose to lie about it. She chose to lie about critical details regarding the day of her daughter's disappearance to a national audience. That's as bold as say cleaning couches and then leaving them outside to get weathered and so the the acidic detergent smell doesn't permeate the house, for example.

I was flabbergasted by a press conference to introduce the Shawn-based time line (even though he is an admitted liar - will lie to Billie about big issues so she doesn't get mad), the many proclamations of love for Shawn but so few for Hailey (except from Shawn!), the obvious attempt to use a red earring to point the investigation in another direction without regard for the impact on others, the stupidity of posting illegal drug use on public forums and leaving them there because apparently you think it's so normal it doesn't even cross your mind, the repeated attempts to make LE and the concerned public the slanderous opposition and the "bad guys", the self-imposed running theme of Billie and Shawn - the unjustly persecuted lovers, the thoughtlessness of not encouraging and contributing to searchers (Clint did, not Billie), the insensitivity of not attending a balloon launch in your missing daughter's honor... Lots of hiding in plain sight types of behavior, imo. I think I'm numbed; very little that these folks do could flabbergast me anymore. I'm expecting more bombshells and I'm better prepared for them now!

Dang, I hope Hailey is found soon.....

 

[yllek]

Traces of regurgitated drugs.

That's what I'm thinking too as most likely and highly incriminating.

If there's anything to the sulfuric acid theory, that would be incriminating too. If used, it would probably be only on one couch and in patches.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Here. I found the couch. It's hiding up here in 17 inches of snow on this "hill":

("Up to" -9 degrees. w00tw00t! "Having a heat wave...")

 

[tehcloser]

I think those power plant dudes that Billie does't even know (who graciously volunteered to escort her couches to the dump) are law enforcements officers. Those couches are being tested for vomit, blood, other bodily fluids, and signs of sulfuric acid and/or other agents used for deep cleaning.

Thats my position on the couch right now; but again, I'd be more comfortable if we had some LE confirmation...

P.s. I agree with WiseOldOwl that the cushions may have been taken first; but the full couches are needed to test the arm rests and the back rest too. And, I think the couch issue is totally thread-worthy - they could be the only source of physical evidence if something happened to Hailey before she was moved from the house. Billie's minimizing their importance just confirms their importance to me. I have never put so much thought into couches in my life!

Well see though...here's the problem. How does it go from one person who knew the LADY that took the couches/had the couches hauled off, (and this person supposedly called this lady to confirm LE knew about these couches and told us yes they did), then to a random LADY who stopped and asked if she could have the couches - she took them, noticed they were damaged, so she took them to the dump - and now we have 2 random dudes from the power company that no one knows? And we are supposed to take BD's word for it? :floorlaugh: Naw.........to many stories about those couches for them to be innocent. We have guilty couches.

 

[yllek]

Well see though...here's the problem. How does it go from one person who knew the LADY that took the couches/had the couches hauled off, (and this person supposedly called this lady to confirm LE knew about these couches and told us yes they did), then to a random LADY who stopped and asked if she could have the couches - she took them, noticed they were damaged, so she took them to the dump - and now we have 2 random dudes from the power company that no one knows? And we are supposed to take BD's word for it? :floorlaugh: Naw.........to many stories about those couches for them to be innocent. We have guilty couches.

Exactly, I don't think there ever was a lady and I don't think the two dudes were from the power company. I think those couches were taken by LE (with or without Billie's knowledge) and Billie won't admit it for the life of her - it points back to her house. Actually, I hope more than I think. I've lost faith in just about everybody in this case, maybe I'm just hanging on to a faith in good LE out of desperation?

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Exactly, I don't think there ever was a lady and I don't think the two dudes were from the power company. I think those couches were taken by LE (with or without Billie's knowledge) and Billie won't admit it for the life of her - it points back to her house. Actually, I hope more than I think. I've lost faith in just about everybody in this case, maybe I'm just hanging on to a faith in good LE out of desperation?

I'm with you in hoping that LE took the couch(es). I haven't lost faith in LE yet. Look what they have to work with! Key players who SHOULD be cooperating in any way they can to find this child are doing everything BUT!!!

We have a saying back home: "Just hide and watch." I'm pretty sure that's what LE is doing.

 

[Whisperer]

Back in the day, I met some LE at a club that were dressed down, except for one. The others had, long hair, t-shirts, etc. I asked what they did and they told me they worked for the 'Power Company". I believed it too. Much later I found out they were working undercover Maybe Power Company is a term they use when they don't want anyone to know they're LE.

 

[Tugela]

Ya, but BD didn't appear particularly concerned about what happened to it. If it held potentially incriminating evidence they would have been much more active in getting rid of it, not just leaving it sitting out there for whoever to take it.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Ya, but BD didn't appear particularly concerned about what happened to it. If it held potentially incriminating evidence they would have been much more active in getting rid of it, not just leaving it sitting out there for whoever to take it.

Hmm..very true, as that would make sense. Personally, I just can't apply that logic here though because BD doesn't appear to be particularly concerned with what happened to Hailey either. So I guess we'll each have to make of that what we will...

 

[lonetraveler]

Billie and Shawn were interviewed on 1/3 sitting on a Santa-Fe patterned couch. At some point soon thereafter, the couch in Billie's living room was a different one. Someone snapped a photo of the old living room couches sitting in a pick up truck at Billie's house, there was a CCPD parked at the curb. Many of us thought it was very odd to be redecorating right after your daughter disappeared, especially since the last person to see her was in the house and says she was watching tv in the living room.

A local said her friend arranged for the couches to be hauled to the dump because Billie was given new couches by her brother and the old ones were in bad shape. We asked if the old ones had been processed by LE. The local did not know and said that it turned out they weren't taken to the dump. Instead, a needy person in the neighborhood saw them sitting outside in the truck for days and asked if she could have them, and that's where they were taken. We asked the local to confirm LE had processed them completely; she called CCPD and told us that they confirmed they were in the house when LE searched it. Billie said last night that the couches were taken to the dump.

So, here we are. Wondering and hoping that the couches (or at least the cushions, as Wild Old Owl pointed out) were really seized as evidence. It's hinky to some of us that no one saw Hailey outside the house since Sunday 12/26, she's missing, and the couch that she often slept on and was supposedly last seen on is gone, and there's no straight answer about it.

more details:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125252&page=40

I totally agree with you about the couch. One would think that the couches would be in a room somewhere being totally processed by LE. If the couch was not checked for semen, blood, or any other bodily fluid then this is very shoddy work for LE. I think that getting rid of couches during a LE investigation is as suspicious as getting rid of vehicles immediately following a supposedly "kidnapping".:banghead:

 

[yllek]

Now that we know much more about the evidence seized in the case, I feel confident the couch never made it to the dump nor the neighbor lady's house. I believe it was taken by LE and Billie either lied about it to save face, or she didn't know whomever actually hauled it off did so on request of LE. There's no way that LE was so oblivious that they did not question the couch being literally kicked to the curb more than a week into the investigation.

We now know for a fact that LE didn't seize Billie and Shawn's cell phones just to check the call logs in case Hailey used one of them on 12/27 (as Billie positioned it on Nancy Grace). They were looking for calls, electronic images, texts...etc, because a criminal investigation was underway and LE quickly determined that Billie and Shawn were deceptive in their stories. We also know that Billie painted the walls in her living room after the couch was removed. She talked about painting the walls in her 3/2 BTHN interview. Why all the changes to the living room? I have my theory. We also know that the computer at Shawn's mom's house was being analyzed by LE as early as 12/30 (and we now know what type of content they found). We also know that masks and a *advertiser censored*-riddled memory stick were seized from Billie's house the first week in January (per affidavit and Billie's 3/2 BTHN interview on the masks).

Now that we know what LE already knew when the couch was removed from Billie's house, imo, there's no way that it was taken off Billie's property (with a marked LE vehicle parked outside, no less) and taken to the CCity dump by private citizens doing Billie a favor (as Billie claimed in her first BTHN interview).

JMO. I hope the reason we've heard nada about the couch from LE is because it holds some important forensic evidence that is being held close to the vest until it can be connected to other evidence and a plausible theory to explain what happened to sweet Hailey.

 

[swedie]

WHAT?!!! No one told me there was a couch thread:maddening:Now I'm reallly disappointed lol.

The thing is BD's brother may have had to order his new couch. I do not know what it is like in the US, but here in Canada, seems like anymore when you buy new furniture, it has to be ordered unless it's a clearance sale or scratch and dent. Furniture orders generally take 4-8 weeks, so it was quite possible BD's brother had ordered his new furni some time before HD went missing. The adoption of his old couch may also have been planned long before HD went missing. So of course this all looks very suspicious indeed. If that was the case, why the heck didn't BD fill us in on that? Well I think we all know the answer to that. It's because she speaks half truths, lies or gives very vague answers.

In one picture posted I saw HD sitting on THE couch. She was quite young 3 or 4. (So that couch is more then likely about 10 years old or older) I could not help but notice there was a huge brownish stain on the cushion. Now when I go back and try to find picture, I found it here in this link, first picture but it has been cropped. Did anyone else notice this or have the full picture. I swear I saw it as I couldn't help but to think, ew. So with that being said, Lord knows what they might find on that couch. Deviant sex acts, BD and SA's home movies/pictures. Oh my head hurts. I can only imagine the shape it was in after 2 little ones living all over it, kwim. So maybe the couch thing is just a coincidence. :waitasec:

Personally I don't think the couch is important in this case. I would hope and pray LE have better evidence like her sheet or bedding. JMHO

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=354576

 

[Tugela]

JMO. I hope the reason we've heard nada about the couch from LE is because it holds some important forensic evidence that is being held close to the vest until it can be connected to other evidence and a plausible theory to explain what happened to sweet Hailey.

I doubt the couch holds any evidence that could be discerned, since everyone lived there (presumably it was still there when CD lived there as well) and consequently everyone would have left traces of themselves on it.

Unless there was some huge blood stain on it, in which case they would have taken much more care in getting rid of it. Plus, if that was the case, LE would be using that to get additional search warrants and we would know all about it.

 

[tehcloser]

I think the couch may have turned up in some pictures..........

 

[passionflower]

I think the couch may have turned up in some pictures..........

This cold explain the painting and redecorating Hailey's room and livingroom.
Make it allot harder to prove the pics (*advertiser censored*?) came from those rooms.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

This cold explain the painting and redecorating Hailey's room and livingroom.
Make it allot harder to prove the pics (*advertiser censored*?) came from those rooms.

FWIW, I don't think it would be that difficult to tell if those rooms were in fact in some of the CP pics. There has been how many media interviews in the various rooms of BD's house prior to her painting? Those interviews are all on tape and much more lengthy (raw footage) than what the public generally gets to see on the news.

 

[Soulmagent]

FWIW, I don't think it would be that difficult to tell if those rooms were in fact in some of the CP pics. There has been how many media interviews in the various rooms of BD's house prior to her painting? Those interviews are all on tape and much more lengthy (raw footage) than what the public generally gets to see on the news.

Which is why I do not believe the house was a scene of anything known to Billie.

She went on national TV, local news allowed people in her home and let them take photo's. I do not believe she would have done any of that is she was aware the house was a scene of a crime. Also the hardwood floors in Haileys room are worn in photos they would quickly absorb blood and it would not be able to be removed from the floors. I am of the thought that nothing happened to Hailey in the house. If LE had any evidence of a death at all (which i dont believe) that house would have been torn apart.

I lived in house that once was the scene of a murder suicide in 1975 or about, and in 1992 you could still see blood in the hard wood. Years of scubbing, soaking ,bleaching had not rid the wood of it.

My moms hardwood floors have my blood on them from a cut and we clean that up instantly so it would not stain ,it still stained.