Charlie
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Toltec said:
When i was nine years old i never would have thought a hit on the head could kill someone, i allways associated death in a simple way of guns and knives and such. I find it odd that burke said this.
The Whittling Knife
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When i was nine years old i never would have thought a hit on the head could kill someone, i allways associated death in a simple way of guns and knives and such. I find it odd that burke said this.
Camper
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Charlie said:
Charlie I think you just hit a big nail on the head with your post here. By the way welcome to the forums!!
What are the CHANCES that a 10 year old boy had ever heard the word BEHEADED? Could he have read it, certainly NOT in school with normal curiculum. Comic books, Dr. Seuss (hardly).
Anyone know of a movie around 1996 that had a 'beheading in it' ?
Then we have the attache with mark, bet my grandson would not know that one, he is super intelligent.
My daughters little boy who is 11 now, has his tv viewing widely controlled. He loves cartoons, and he is taken with a friend frequently to child appropriate movies at the movie house. He plays sports, soccer, hockey (lots of medals and awards LOTS, he is good) plays piano, has worn out 3 teachers composes songs and plays them, duh, baseball, swims. She keeps him busy busy.
So, HOW would Burke have known of or ever heard of 'beheading' a person? So he makes a swish motion with his knife, hmmm.
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why_nutt
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Camper said:
Come on, now. What is one of the most famous phrases from Alice In Wonderland, both in the book and the Disney cartoon?
The Red Queen shouting "Off with her head!" and "Behead that Dormouse!"
Camper
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why_nutt said:
You do have a point, but if you wear a hat with a large crown it won't show, small humor here.
I don't recall those being shown, AFTER Burke was born, on TV or in the theatres.
DO you really think Burke read AIW?
I have him down as a computer geek, and button pusher game player. Coulda seen something on the computer or in a game on his Nintendo, I suppose. I am hanging pat to my thoughts anyhow. For HIM to have written this in a ransom note, would display a very dark nature about him even if he did know the word.
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why_nutt
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Camper said:
Remember how Burke was enrolled in the Core Knowledge program at his school in Boulder? His third grade curriculum for Core Knowledge required him to read Alice In Wonderland, precisely because it challenges children to learn difficult words and thus advance their vocabulary and mental capacities in general.
why_nutt
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narlacat said:
Charlie
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Some kids are expecially bright, but re-read the ransom note and try and think of yourself at nine years old using those words and in that phrasing. Burke played with video games and train sets he wasnt sitting in his room reading the encylopedia (i use to babysit a kid who did that...very odd)
BlueCrab
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Charlie said:
Charlie,
But kids do know how to use dictionaries, and leave them on the table when finished.
Camper
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BC, I need an interpretation of this post. Do you mean or think that the little guy looked up incest and left it on the table to be seen er, huh?BlueCrab said:
Why_Nutt, thank you for your post on the school and AIW. So I will remove my wonderment about the little guy not knowing about beheading. Do you think he would have learned about the accent mark for attache during this education process? I do think that IF a drooling perp were writing a ransom note with a felt tip pen (sharpie ?) he would a. not used attache with an accent mark. A clever disguise if you will, making LE think the perp was really not stupid, YET he did not get the MONEY he asked for by his own stupidity. Hmmm.
Charlie, I got all of my sex ed from reading the dictionary at a very early age. One word leads to another and ones imagination takes over from there. From the time I learned to read and use a dictionary, I went scurrying there when I heard a word that I had not heard before.
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Charlie
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Camper said:
I see both you and BC's valid point of him perhaps using a dictionary...but woudlnt burke have used a thesaurus that night, as wasnt the goal to deflect attention away from the possibility a nine year old wrote it and therefore he would want to find age appropriate words for his cause. A dicitonary u can look up meanings, but you have to know the word first. As many times as i read the RN i cant think a 9 year old wrote it. Would Burke have the intellect the write
"You stand a 99% chance of killing your daughter if you try to out smart us. Follow out instructions and you stand a 100% chance of getting her back". When i read that quote it so maniupulative,reminds me of an advertisement.
Nehemiah
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Charlie said:
I agree. I just can't buy into the belief that Burke wrote the note.
Shelayne
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About the dictionary~~
How is it known that the word "incest" is the word that was being looked up? I mean it isn't the only word on either two pages of the dictionary. I look up words all the time with my children, and I imagine there are all kinds of "suspicious" words on the pages when those are not the words we intended to look up. Just because it was dog-eared doesn't mean it was pointing to anything. Unless it was highlighted or underlined, I just don't see this as very convincing proof of anything.
Who is supposedly looking up "incest" anyway? Is the assumption that JonBenet or Burke was looking up this word? Or is it that John or Patsy was? If my child asked me what incest was, I certainly wouldn't go to a dictionary, and I cannot even think of when my husband or I have ever used that word--especially with little ears around, so where did they hear that word from--if this is the assumption? That, I guess, is why I question--how is it KNOWN that "incest" is the word, specifically, being cited in the dictionary?
How is it known that the word "incest" is the word that was being looked up? I mean it isn't the only word on either two pages of the dictionary. I look up words all the time with my children, and I imagine there are all kinds of "suspicious" words on the pages when those are not the words we intended to look up. Just because it was dog-eared doesn't mean it was pointing to anything. Unless it was highlighted or underlined, I just don't see this as very convincing proof of anything.
Who is supposedly looking up "incest" anyway? Is the assumption that JonBenet or Burke was looking up this word? Or is it that John or Patsy was? If my child asked me what incest was, I certainly wouldn't go to a dictionary, and I cannot even think of when my husband or I have ever used that word--especially with little ears around, so where did they hear that word from--if this is the assumption? That, I guess, is why I question--how is it KNOWN that "incest" is the word, specifically, being cited in the dictionary?
tipper
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Because if you live in Steve Thomas' world you mark words on a page by dog-earring the page until the corner touches the word you want to remember.
Charlie
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tipper said:
haha nice one tipper. Investigators must try to understand details in a case by relating it to themselves and thier own behavior...big mistake were are all not steve thomas right tipper?
Shelayne, ive allways wondered about that myself, it was a huge assumption the investigators took with the incest word. I remember something being unerlined or circled in red pen maybe in dictionary...i cant remember well enough, perhaps can someone clarify that for me please?
BlueCrab
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Zman said:
Zman,
It's a fact. Fibers from the white nylon cord were vacuumed from IN the bedding (not just on top of the bed). It's evidence that suggests the erotic asphyxiation ligature device had, at one time or another, been IN JonBenet's bed.
The source came from the revised DOI paperback, which stated, "Fibers consistent with the white cord were found in JonBenet's bedding."
The questions to ask, of course, is HOW did the fibers get there, and WHEN did they get there? Was the EA device constructed on the bed? Or was it constructed at least one day prior to the murder and used in JonBenet's bed prior to the night of the murder? And if so, by WHOM?
The bedsheets were last changed on the morning of the 24th, after JonBenet had apparently wet them on the night of the 23rd (they were not the same bedsheets that LHP testified she had put on the bed on the 23rd). Burke and JonBenet had slept together in Burke's bed on the 24th, Christmas Eve night, so JonBenet couldn't have wet her bed that night, nor were the fibers likely deposited that night. So the fibers from the EA device were likely deposited in JonBenet's bedsheets sometime on the 25th, either during the day or late at night (the Ramseys had spent the evening, approximately 4 PM to 9 PM, at the White's dinner party).
BlueCrab