TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren, 44, Signal Mountain, 30 April 2011 - #12

[Pearl*]

I'm not sure what the current rules are regarding facebook links, but I personally have been confused by all the contact numbers and requests floating around regarding tips. This thread may help anybody who has been wondering as I have been. I did see Believe's post earlier regarding the HCSO, but the additional specific names and phone numbers that keep circulating--and especially the request on the CUE website--raised questions for me. Particularly since the family requested CUE become involved (I think), the mixed messages seem odd IMO.

I hope to read a response to the last question at some point. I do not understand if if CUE and LE work together or separately, and if separately... I'm wondering if CUE's tips go to LE as well. Since CUE states that tips to them are confidential, the water gets muddier for me. So, for what it's worth, Maria's response here indicates to me that all calls regarding any types of tips should still go to HCSO.

https://www.facebook.com/HopeforGail#!/HopeforGail/posts/253357551374254

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I think I know what you are referring to. An earlier post listing the same contact you gave, as well as CUE and FBI? Personally, I don't really see the issue if it is Gail's family that asked CUE to become involved in the first place, and Gail's family that asked FBI to become involved. Obviously, Gail's family was looking for additional resources beyond what HCSO had available to help find Gail (and I can't say in the same situation I wouldn't have done the same.) HCSO is the lead agency, but perhaps there are people out there who have info, who for their own reasons would not want to contact HCSO. Perhaps they disagree with HCSO handling of this case or a prior case. Maybe they have a record or a guilty conscience or just don't want to deal with LE. So I'm not sure listing all of those options is a bad thing. We only need that one tip to bring Gail home, I totally believe that.

 

[hollyblue]

I don't think there's any confusion. Cue lists the LE agency's phone # handling the missing person's case-- to the left of their contact info for all the cases they are viewing. HCSD phone # is listed. I'm sure Cue contacts the investigative agency if they receive a call. Since the family has requested Cue's assistance, I'm sure their trust is with them. IMO http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/gail-palmgren/

Investigative Agency
Hamilton Co Sheriff (Tennessee)
(423) 209-8945
If you have any information on this case please contact CUE Center For Missing Persons using the contact form below or contact Cue Center at (910) 343-1131 24 hour tipline (910) 232-1687.

 

[hollyblue]

I think I know what you are referring to. An earlier post listing the same contact you gave, as well as CUE and FBI? Personally, I don't really see the issue if it is Gail's family that asked CUE to become involved in the first place, and Gail's family that asked FBI to become involved. Obviously, Gail's family was looking for additional resources beyond what HCSO had available to help find Gail (and I can't say in the same situation I wouldn't have done the same.) HCSO is the lead agency, but perhaps there are people out there who have info, who for their own reasons would not want to contact HCSO. Perhaps they disagree with HCSO handling of this case or a prior case. Maybe they have a record or a guilty conscience or just don't want to deal with LE. So I'm not sure listing all of those options is a bad thing. We only need that one tip to bring Gail home, I totally believe that.

BBM

Exactly. The FBI is turning over all the leads to HCSD because they are still the lead in GP's case. If you scroll about halfway down the page, you'll see all the contact numbers available under CA's post of today.

http://www.facebook.com/BRINGGAILNOWACKIPALMGRENHOMENOW?ref=ts

 

[Emeralgem]

Five months ago today Gail Palmgren disappeared without a trace

Prayers for Gail and her children.

 

[Shelby1]

This has always seemed very odd to me, too. I am in the medical field and you don't skip out on a conference that the company has paid for you to attend without a really, really good reason. And, having an affair with someone you've been seeing for at least a little while wouldn't, in my opinion, be the reason. It is very risky due to the fact that there are probably other employees from the company also attending the conference and your absence would be noted. Even if others from the company were not there, an absence would still be noted by the people at the conference. It could really put your job in jeopardy. It would definitely be bad for your reputation at work to your superiors. I can't imagine this being a casual decision. What could be so important to risk losing 2 very prestigious positions? These positions at BCBS/TN are very coveted. Skipping out on the conference would also be more than sufficient grounds for termination. JMO

I totally see what you're saying, but I think for these two people, it WAS important enough....I think they thought no one would notice if they snuck off for a little "nookie".

OR

They were planning and scheming about something that would make it possible for them to be together......

 

[Shelby1]

Five months ago today Gail Palmgren disappeared without a trace

Prayers for Gail and her children.

I can't believe it's already been this long. I'm sad and frustrated.

 

[Shelby1]

BeanE, was it you that so smartly saved the CUE report before it got changed? If so, would you mind re-posting it here?

If it wasn't you...can someone re-post it?

 

[BeanE]

BeanE, was it you that so smartly saved the CUE report before it got changed? If so, would you mind re-posting it here?

If it wasn't you...can someone re-post it?

I may have erred in posting it, and don't want to repeat that error. Would you please check with a mod to ensure it's okay?

Just trying to stay out of trouble :angel:

 

[BeanE]

Honestly, I don't remember reading where anybody has portrayed her in that way.

Me either. I went through the WRCB and Times Free Press comments and there's not a single thing even remotely like any of that.

I guess maybe they were all deleted or something.

 

[lalalu]

I may have erred in posting it, and don't want to repeat that error. Would you please check with a mod to ensure it's okay?

Just trying to stay out of trouble :angel:

I have wondered where the additional info in the original CUE report came from. Any thoughts? Also, I know the news reports said that family asked for the CUE assist. Are friends or associates allowed to start a file with CUE as well?

 

[BeanE]

"Probably the best thing that can help us is if anyone happens to remember that unique Jeep with the insignia on the back, and can remember something that would assist us bring closure to this case," said Hammond.

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/15559950/first-on-3-investigators-to-search-palmgren-lake-homes

It would be great to see a very active Flyer distribution campaign to get pictures of the Jeep out.

 

[BeanE]

It's been more than two months (July 13) since the request to the governor for a reward. Has anyone heard anything about a response?

Letter to the gov:

http://wrcb.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/news/GovLetter.pdf

Sorry to quote my own post, but I got an answer to my question:

calliestarnes Callie Starnes
Today marks 5 months since Gail Palmgren last seen. DA's office says still no word yet on if Gov. will approve reward $ in case.
2 hours ago

http://twitter.com/#!/calliestarnes/status/119862695485911040

 

[Melodie]

Me either. I went through the WRCB and Times Free Press comments and there's not a single thing even remotely like any of that.

I guess maybe they were all deleted or something.

I think they have removed those posts because I remember them, too. I noticed recently that the comments that I remembered were no longer there following the various early articles in the case. That may be normal procedure, I'm not sure. I do remember comments stating that she probably just ran off and it's "just another missing blonde woman". There were definitely some negative comments that were really unkind and hard to read. I have not seen any comments like that in a long, long time. Most of the comments now are quite different. JMO

 

[Pearl*]

I don't think there's any confusion. Cue lists the LE agency's phone # handling the missing person's case-- to the left of their contact info for all the cases they are viewing. HCSD phone # is listed. I'm sure Cue contacts the investigative agency if they receive a call. Since the family has requested Cue's assistance, I'm sure their trust is with them. IMO http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/gail-palmgren/

[bbm]

At this point, I'm not sure either bolded statement is true. I would agree that the family must have trusted CUE in order to ask for their assistance, but this post from Maria N. (today's addition to thread--currently the last post) makes me wonder if they may be having second thoughts.

More importantly, I'm concerned that if any tips are going to CUE, they may not be getting to LE.

"Cue Center is supposed to work with Law enforcement, however to date LE has not been notified by the Cue Center."

https://www.facebook.com/HopeforGail#!/HopeforGail/posts/253357551374254


In addition, I see that Diane's daily update has been revised to emphasize HCSO's contact information. I have trouble seeing this as coincidence.

https://www.facebook.com/HopeforGail#!/profile.php?id=100000103098913&sk=wall

And again from Maria, this time on her own FB: https://www.facebook.com/maria.petrillonowacki#!/maria.petrillonowacki/posts/175487482531487

Does anybody on WS have previous experience with CUE?

 

[glorias]

I think they have removed those posts because I remember them, too. I noticed recently that the comments that I remembered were no longer there following the various early articles in the case. That may be normal procedure, I'm not sure.

Back in May, Snowbunny and I both noticed nastier comments were missing. Pearl* might remember this, she briefly discussed compiling the negative comments. Here are a couple of the posts in that discussion. We noticed early on that comments were disappearing from newspaper articles:

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Times Free Press has at least two people, Rolando and HannaBeckman, who love to post nasty things on a variety of articles, including Gail's. Some of their stuff has been deleted, like in this article, where someone refers to HannaBeckman but her original comment was removed:

http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/may/12/missing-womans-husband-seeks-custody-children/


HannaBeckman in action, not yet deleted:

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/may/07/police-searching-missing-signal-woman/?local


I mentioned the "blonde woman" stuff a long time ago too. It's a very common trope, Wikipedia (for what that's worth) even has a whole entry on Missing White Woman Syndrome. The most blatant comment I found was on a locked LiveJournal community so I can't list it (you couldn't access the page) but I did a quick search and found similar ones:

How many poor, black or Hispanic women have gone missing since April 30?

http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/may/12/missing-womans-husband-seeks-custody-children/

I fear some harm has come to this White Woman...

http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/may/17/missing-woman-search-continues-gail-palmgren/


I'm kind of surprised people are acting like I made it all up when it only took me about 10 minutes to find a lot of what I was specifically referring to.

 

[Annie_61]

Does anyone know if the LE and other families of missing people have had any previous experience working with CUE? as not all missing person cases end up on WS.

Do DN and KN have concerns regarding the CUE foundations and their involvement in missing person cases? If so I hope they voice them.
Did Diane's daily update every mention contacting CUE? the only change I see is on the post saying it’s been 5 month she has changed the layout of her post.

Seems that Maria put up comment up after a the involvement with CUE was questioned on the HFG page, wonder if admin there are trying to scare the family away from using such a professional group as CUE by casting doubt on the organisation. (I didn’t put up a link as Peals links take you to the comments)

I hope if Maria has concerns regarding CUE she gets them to remove Gail from their site, would hate to think important information was being withheld by them. I hope she is voicing her concerns to DN as well.

Thank you Pearl your post certainly does raise a lot of questions. Being from Australia where we don’t have CUE I just would have never thought to have doubted their ability to deal with cases like Gail’s after only reading brilliant comments and reports on the CUE foundation.

5 month and still no answers

 

[Pearl*]

Back in May, Snowbunny and I both noticed nastier comments were missing. Pearl* might remember this, she briefly discussed compiling the negative comments. Here are a couple of the posts in that discussion. We noticed early on that comments were disappearing from newspaper articles:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TN TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren, 44, Signal Mountain, 30 April 2011 - #4

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TN TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren, 44, Signal Mountain, 30 April 2011 - #4


Times Free Press has at least two people, Rolando and HannaBeckman, who love to post nasty things on a variety of articles, including Gail's. Some of their stuff has been deleted, like in this article, where someone refers to HannaBeckman but her original comment was removed:

http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/may/12/missing-womans-husband-seeks-custody-children/


HannaBeckman in action, not yet deleted:

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/may/07/police-searching-missing-signal-woman/?local


I mentioned the "blonde woman" stuff a long time ago too. It's a very common trope, Wikipedia (for what that's worth) even has a whole entry on Missing White Woman Syndrome. The most blatant comment I found was on a locked LiveJournal community so I can't list it (you couldn't access the page) but I did a quick search and found similar ones:



http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/may/12/missing-womans-husband-seeks-custody-children/



http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/may/17/missing-woman-search-continues-gail-palmgren/


I'm kind of surprised people are acting like I made it all up when it only took me about 10 minutes to find a lot of what I was specifically referring to.

Glorias, I don't think you are making anything up. I just said I didn't remember it. I never compiled any negative comments, although I did mention there could have been a valid purpose for doing so at that time. These posts were long ago. The context was different, and I do not remember what "brand" of negativity I referred to back in May. I'm not sure how it's relevant now.

I am definitely willing to concede the fact that negative comments have been made about this case, if that will help us move forward. I'm sorry if my post got us off track.

 

[glorias]

I haven't kept up with this Cue thing, but I personally thought it was a legitimate organization because I have seen it mentioned on Websleuths a lot -- Stacy Peterson's case, Monica Caison, Lindsay Baum, Mary Badaracco, Brittanee Drexel, and others. There's a report here on WS that Cue was out searching for Brittanee, so they apparently do actual live searches for the missing.

Delilah posts about Cue occasionally here and on her blog, and I believe the lady who runs Cue is on Delilah's show quite a bit. I guess that's why I always thought they were legit.

 

[Emeralgem]

I haven't kept up with this Cue thing, but I personally thought it was a legitimate organization because I have seen it mentioned on Websleuths a lot -- Stacy Peterson's case, Monica Caison, Lindsay Baum, Mary Badaracco, Brittanee Drexel, and others. There's a report here on WS that Cue was out searching for Brittanee, so they apparently do actual live searches for the missing.

Delilah posts about Cue occasionally here and on her blog, and I believe the lady who runs Cue is on Delilah's show quite a bit. I guess that's why I always thought they were legit.

IMHO... Community United Effort (CUE) is legit..

http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/