was it regarding a boot & bra?
Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #6
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was it regarding a boot & bra?
I can see how "we're missing somebody" would come up in the conversation innocently.
So, imagine this: you're out with your friends and you've been tentatively planning to meet up with another group (DS's group). Your friend Morgan disappears -- gets locked out of the concert hall. Morgan tells you, "I'll try to find a ride with somebody." You're like, "OK, let us know when you do!"
You get into the music, kinda forget about Morgan for a little bit -- you assume she's making calls. After some awesome song ends, you realize you still haven't heard from her about her plans. You look at your friends and go, "That's weird. Someone try to call her."
Her phone is off. She's not answering. And she never let you know if she'd found a ride or not! How annoying. You try to call her again. She's still not answering/her phone is going to voicemail.
"She's probably fine," someone says. "You know her phone goes dead a lot/the battery is always falling out/she turned it off to conserve power. I bet she got a ride home with X."
"Yeah, she would have called if she couldn't find a ride," someone else adds.
Still, it's a little weird. But hte concert is still going so you let it go for now. Meanwhile, this other group you were supposed to meet up with starts calling and saying, "So what's up, are we meeting up afterward?" And because this weirdness with Morgan is still kinda on your mind, maybe even pissing you off a little -- how annoying that she got shut out of the show, when you totally wanted to see it with her, and now has turned off her phone! -- you say, "I don't know, one of our friends went missing, let me see if people are still up for an afterparty."
Well, then you end up bailing on the afterparty. Maybe, yeah, you're still a wee bit worried about Morgan on the drive home, but hey, she knows the area, she would have called if she couldn't find a ride. And maybe once you get home, you and your friends have a few drinks and b*tch/wonder about it when you still can't get through to her phone. But then the alcohol and fatigue kick in and you say, 'Okay, we'll check on her first thing in the morning. Night, guys.' And everybody passes out and, like most twenty year olds, don't wake up the next day until noon -- when it's Morgan dad calling, saying, "Where is my daughter?"
In short, I present this hypothetical scenario because I think there's a totally innocent explanation here. And I'm a little uncomfortable, to be honest, with the surfacing tendency to blame the friends for what happened to Morgan. If a perp took her, the fault and sin lie solely with the PERP. In retrospect, I'm sure M's friends wish they had done things differently -- like, called the police the MOMENT Morgan didn't pick up her phone. (But really, would the police have done anything right away if they'd heard that a 20 year old girl got separated from her friends at a rock concert and kicked out? I suspect they *still* would have waited around 24 hours, thinking that Morgan was about to show up on the arm of a new rocker boyfriend.) And I'm sure these thoughts are haunting them. But if something happened to Morgan outside the arena while her friends were inside it -- it was in no way, shape or form their fault.
So, imagine this: you're out with your friends and you've been tentatively planning to meet up with another group (DS's group). Your friend Morgan disappears -- gets locked out of the concert hall. Morgan tells you, "I'll try to find a ride with somebody." You're like, "OK, let us know when you do!"
You get into the music, kinda forget about Morgan for a little bit -- you assume she's making calls. After some awesome song ends, you realize you still haven't heard from her about her plans. You look at your friends and go, "That's weird. Someone try to call her."
Her phone is off. She's not answering. And she never let you know if she'd found a ride or not! How annoying. You try to call her again. She's still not answering/her phone is going to voicemail.
"She's probably fine," someone says. "You know her phone goes dead a lot/the battery is always falling out/she turned it off to conserve power. I bet she got a ride home with X."
"Yeah, she would have called if she couldn't find a ride," someone else adds.
Still, it's a little weird. But hte concert is still going so you let it go for now. Meanwhile, this other group you were supposed to meet up with starts calling and saying, "So what's up, are we meeting up afterward?" And because this weirdness with Morgan is still kinda on your mind, maybe even pissing you off a little -- how annoying that she got shut out of the show, when you totally wanted to see it with her, and now has turned off her phone! -- you say, "I don't know, one of our friends went missing, let me see if people are still up for an afterparty."
Well, then you end up bailing on the afterparty. Maybe, yeah, you're still a wee bit worried about Morgan on the drive home, but hey, she knows the area, she would have called if she couldn't find a ride. And maybe once you get home, you and your friends have a few drinks and b*tch/wonder about it when you still can't get through to her phone. But then the alcohol and fatigue kick in and you say, 'Okay, we'll check on her first thing in the morning. Night, guys.' And everybody passes out and, like most twenty year olds, don't wake up the next day until noon -- when it's Morgan dad calling, saying, "Where is my daughter?"
In short, I present this hypothetical scenario because I think there's a totally innocent explanation here. And I'm a little uncomfortable, to be honest, with the surfacing tendency to blame the friends for what happened to Morgan. If a perp took her, the fault and sin lie solely with the PERP. In retrospect, I'm sure M's friends wish they had done things differently -- like, called the police the MOMENT Morgan didn't pick up her phone. (But really, would the police have done anything right away if they'd heard that a 20 year old girl got separated from her friends at a rock concert and kicked out? I suspect they *still* would have waited around 24 hours, thinking that Morgan was about to show up on the arm of a new rocker boyfriend.) And I'm sure these thoughts are haunting them. But if something happened to Morgan outside the arena while her friends were inside it -- it was in no way, shape or form their fault.
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can find the right one by clicking on the administrator of the second FB group the "please help in finding MDH" invite group, or on clicking on her name on the multiple photos of "the nine" posted there
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I'm sadly thinking nothing was done to check car for clues. Even what happened before and after can be pertinent to case even if she wasn't in car -just don't understand at all why the said the car was irrelevant from the get go
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black pieces cloth at the RV lot and bra, boot etc elsewhere which we're told may very well not be relevant at all, and some other things that have not been released to us
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In short, I present this hypothetical scenario because I think there's a totally innocent explanation here. And I'm a little uncomfortable, to be honest, with the surfacing tendency to blame the friends for what happened to Morgan. If a perp took her, the fault and sin lie solely with the PERP. In retrospect, I'm sure M's friends wish they had done things differently -- like, called the police the MOMENT Morgan didn't pick up her phone. (But really, would the police have done anything right away if they'd heard that a 20 year old girl got separated from her friends at a rock concert and kicked out? I suspect they *still* would have waited around 24 hours, thinking that Morgan was about to show up on the arm of a new rocker boyfriend.) And I'm sure these thoughts are haunting them. But if something happened to Morgan outside the arena while her friends were inside it -- it was in no way, shape or form their fault.
I'm with you on this too Lindsaym. Although SS appears a little blank on the video I think she's in shock and they have to live with this for the rest of their lives and rethink this again and again. How awful. I do still think what they did was strange though, to me anyway as I naturally am overcautious about my friends and I always have been since a child. But I admit I do not know the full circumstances and I think there are still things we don't know. They must have reasons to have thought she'd be OK....
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I don't think that dogs would confuse her specific scent.
Vultures patterns.. means a dead thing nearby. Not sure if they'd do it, although i know people seeing vultures has led to bodies being found in the past.
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Has anyone read the "school principal" discussion in the "findmorgan.com" "forum" "general discussions"
Heard this before?
I am positive I read on here an account given by a school principal sitting behind Morgan at the concert. The poster stated that the principal saw Morgan seeming to be unwell and helped out of the concert area by her friends and not by herself as is claimed by her friends.
I also read it. It wasn't posted by a principal himself, but by a friend of his. The person was saying that they knew someone who supposedly sat near/behind Morgan and friends at the concert. He reportedly saw her get sick, saw friends escort her out, and then saw friends return without her. The poster simply noted that he was a principal for the reasons that it (a) lent credibility to his character and (b) reveals that he sees a lot of young people on a daily basis and would be able to recognize their faces/age/whatever.
Heard this before?
I am positive I read on here an account given by a school principal sitting behind Morgan at the concert. The poster stated that the principal saw Morgan seeming to be unwell and helped out of the concert area by her friends and not by herself as is claimed by her friends.
I also read it. It wasn't posted by a principal himself, but by a friend of his. The person was saying that they knew someone who supposedly sat near/behind Morgan and friends at the concert. He reportedly saw her get sick, saw friends escort her out, and then saw friends return without her. The poster simply noted that he was a principal for the reasons that it (a) lent credibility to his character and (b) reveals that he sees a lot of young people on a daily basis and would be able to recognize their faces/age/whatever.
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What confuses me the most out of all this though is that first of all, why did she go outside at all? She just had to use the restroom right so why does that require leaving the arena completely?
They won't let her back in because she doesn't have her ticket stub for some reason. Well, who has it? One of the friends? At the very least why wouldn't one of them come to the door and at least try to see what's going on and why she can't get back in. There's something missing there. Why can't they come and meet her at the door, unless she can't reach them for some reason. But she does reach them apparently because she told them she would find a way home? Didn't she leave near the beginning of the concert? Why would you just say screw it and try to find a ride home?
Very strange...the whole scenario. It makes me wonder if the police are holding back some information because it doesn't make sense at all.
They won't let her back in because she doesn't have her ticket stub for some reason. Well, who has it? One of the friends? At the very least why wouldn't one of them come to the door and at least try to see what's going on and why she can't get back in. There's something missing there. Why can't they come and meet her at the door, unless she can't reach them for some reason. But she does reach them apparently because she told them she would find a way home? Didn't she leave near the beginning of the concert? Why would you just say screw it and try to find a ride home?
Very strange...the whole scenario. It makes me wonder if the police are holding back some information because it doesn't make sense at all.
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It is an odd way to word it given the situation. If Morgan really did tell them not to worry she'd find a way back, i don't think they'd have worded it that "they had someone missing".
This was a call that occured right after the concert ended?
If i was one of her "friends" who were there with her i would be an emotional wreck blaming myself right now. Especially her letting them just take her car without her??!! They didn't even try to follow up with her to make sure she made it somewhere ok that night?
Maybe we're not hearing all the info, it's surprising the girls were supposed to be that good friends when they act like that.
It may be possible Morgan knew people at UVA that her dad wasn't aware of. She may not have told him things as maybe she thought he would be overprotective, etc..
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Once you leave you can't get back in, ticket stub or not. A lot of huge venues are like that, you might have to buy another ticket to get back in or not get back in at all..
If she was that excited about the concert having the tickets on the fridge for 6months you'd think she was a big fan. Fans usually keep ticket stubs for mementos. Some people throw them on the floor, i used to save mine.
What i don't understand is why the girls didn't stick together the whole time. These venues are huge with a ton of people. In my younger days when i went to a concert, we always stuck with our "group" we went with.
Maybe she got in a fight with her friends and left the concert? That would explain why they didn't follow up with her to try and make sure she got wherever okay. (even though the friends should have).
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I googled dogs, scent, cross-contamination and it does appear to be a common issue...
So may well be... anyone else in the know?
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She announced on her myspace and facebook that she'd be attending the concert.
Her telling her friends to take her car home sounds like maybe she had been in contact with someone else or had another way of getting home.
Who is the young man she texted? It was the last "call" made from her cell phone.
I am thinking maybe she was meeting up with someone online? They could have put fake photos with intent to lure her
or she was a victim of opportunity as she was walking alone.
A lot is very suspicious about the whole thing.. maybe if she was meeting up with a guy, her friends were privy to it and that's why they weren't so intent on checking up on her (although they should have anyway)..
It all is a big mystery. Things don't make sense. If she had the tickets on the fridge for 6 months prior it seems she was excited about the show, however she leaves the place before Metallica (who was headlineing (main band) gets on stage.
Someone also could have been stalking her while she was there and if she was drinking something, they could have slipped something into her drink..
Lots of scenarios, this case is boggling.
Is there any way we can find out what type brand cell phone she had? That way we can know if it is one that has a back cover that goes over the battery? Most newer phones have a back cover. If the cover was missing too, it would appear both that and the battery may have fell out. If the battery was missing and the cover still on it'd be as if someone took the battery out intentionally.
Her telling her friends to take her car home sounds like maybe she had been in contact with someone else or had another way of getting home.
Who is the young man she texted? It was the last "call" made from her cell phone.
I am thinking maybe she was meeting up with someone online? They could have put fake photos with intent to lure her
or she was a victim of opportunity as she was walking alone.
A lot is very suspicious about the whole thing.. maybe if she was meeting up with a guy, her friends were privy to it and that's why they weren't so intent on checking up on her (although they should have anyway)..
It all is a big mystery. Things don't make sense. If she had the tickets on the fridge for 6 months prior it seems she was excited about the show, however she leaves the place before Metallica (who was headlineing (main band) gets on stage.
Someone also could have been stalking her while she was there and if she was drinking something, they could have slipped something into her drink..
Lots of scenarios, this case is boggling.
Is there any way we can find out what type brand cell phone she had? That way we can know if it is one that has a back cover that goes over the battery? Most newer phones have a back cover. If the cover was missing too, it would appear both that and the battery may have fell out. If the battery was missing and the cover still on it'd be as if someone took the battery out intentionally.
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BBM. Yes, that is standard operating procedure when looking for a body, along with disturbed earth, unusual smells, etc.
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I know decomp smells are easily transfered. IDK about live scent and how long a live scent would last.
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Or you referring to for search or in scent line ups?
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/dogs-forensic-science-and-scent-lineups/
I would think for use in search, they have great accuracy.
The issue with cross-contamination would be when using dogs to scent out a specific suspect from a line up, group of people.
In this case, i doubt that the dogs messed up.
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Thanks, are dogs therefore looking for both an individual's personal live scent and a general human decomp smell?
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Ah OK, thanks for that
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