weekend discussion thread: 4/14-16/2012

[tmhco]

I fail to see how the parade of ladies on the witness stand today show us how MR manipulated and used women...they put themselves out there for the taking by joining the same dating site...none of the affairs lasted that long and if what has been posted today by some on this site, most dropped him like a hot cake for whatever reasons... it takes two to consent to sex after one date or two...most probably saw through him and decided he wasn't much of a catch...this does not convinced me that he manipulated his dates... I feel sorry for that one female with two teenage children having to relate that they slept together after such a short time...:moo::moo:

He misrepresented himself to all of them. I would call that a form of manipulation JMO

 

[Kamille]

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

DSM-IV Definition

Antisocial personality disorder is characterized by a lack of regard for the moral or legal standards in the local culture. There is a marked inability to get along with others or abide by societal rules. Individuals with this disorder are sometimes called psychopaths or sociopaths.

Diagnostic Criteria (DSM-IV)

1. Since the age of fifteen there has been a disregard for and violation of the right's of others, those right's considered normal by the local culture, as indicated by at least three of the following:
A. Repeated acts that could lead to arrest. (YUP!)
B. Conning for pleasure or profit, repeated lying, or the use of aliases. (HMMMMM)
C. Failure to plan ahead or being impulsive. (I think I need a hammer)
D. Repeated assaults on others. (YUP!)
E. Reckless when it comes to their or others safety. (YUP)
F. Poor work behavior or failure to honor financial obligations. (YUP!)
G. Rationalizing the pain they inflict on others. (YUP!)

2. At least eighteen years in age.

3. Evidence of a Conduct Disorder, with its onset before the age of fifteen.

4. Symptoms not due to another mental disorder.

Check, check, check ...

If it walks like duck, quacks like a duck .... then....

JMO

Check on all of the above for MR. I guess he's a duck?

MOO

 

[ChaChaCha]

The question of the evening is "Did TLM actually kill Tori"?

YES

She says so herself. If people want to believe her claims about MR raping, why not believe her claims of killing?

a story told consistently over time is more likely to be true. However, “consistency is a quality just as agreeable to lies as to the truth”.[14]
↑ R. v. L.(D.O.) 1991 CanLII 2714 (MB CA), (1991), 6 C.R. (4th) 277 at 309 (Man. C.A.), rev’d 1993 CanLII 46 (SCC), (1993), 25 C.R. (4th) 285 (S.C.C.)

And therein lies the problem ... anyone can cherry pick what parts of her testimony they choose to believe in order to bolster their own theory/belief.

IMO the whole truth hasn't come out yet - maybe it never will - but I believe that TLM is very disturbed and has done some cherry picking of her own when reciting her testimony.

JMO of course!

 

[Kamille]

The question of the evening is "Did TLM actually kill Tori"?

YES

She says so herself. If people want to believe her claims about MR raping, why not believe her claims of killing?

I believe she killed Victoria and that he handed her the garbage bags and hammer to do so.

MOO

 

[Macright]

In a way you're right, I mean they did put themselves out there, but I don't think they deserved to be lied to with all those stories he was coming up with, even on his profile he lied to make himself look better, so those women believed what they read. Once they found out what a creep he was they dropped him. But it also shows the kind of characgter he has. Gosh even TLM didn't call him back the first time they met and he showed up at her door asking why he hadn't called her.

most people that join those dating sites are not always truthful about themselves...some even use another photo and I am sure many, like the calibre of MR embellish their profile...he had nothing of value to add to his profile so he lied...it didn't take too long for most of those women to find him out and move on to another...the jobs he listed that he worked at are only menial jobs...he didn't try to pass himself off as a rocket scientist etc... nothing that those women said today would lead me to believe that this guy was capable of murder (IF THAT WAS ALL I HAD HEARD TO DATE) ....I would need more info than that....:moo::moo:

 

[OhSoCurious]

I believe she killed Victoria and that he handed her the garbage bags and hammer to do so.

MOO

An even more radical thinker might say he shat his pants at what SHE had done. And she immediately started saying why he had better help her do what she says OR ELSE. A good imagination could think of all kinds of things she could hold over his head. (excluding her rape story) JMO

 

[Kamille]

An even more radical thinker might say he shat his pants at what SHE had done. And she immediately started saying why he had better help her do what she says OR ELSE. A good imagination could think of all kinds of things she could hold over his head. (excluding her rape story)

Or... a logical thinker, after what we heard today, could perceive MR as the sociopath and TLM and ultimately Victoria as his unwitting victims.

MOO

 

[Macright]

He misrepresented himself to all of them. I would call that a form of manipulation JMO

I would call that someone who was a failure, no education, no job...no money etc. etc. etc. in other words a bum..who thought he could fly by with his so called "good looks":floorlaugh: trying to impress a woman...obviously it worked for a short time with some...some even slept with him...but I guess when they found out he had no $$$$ and no real job they moved on....to another:moo::moo: I doubt that MR even has a double digit IQ..he strikes me as someone who would be in a remedial class at school...:moo::moo:

 

[OhSoCurious]

Just not buying the sociopath thing from listening to the plethora of women he connected with. None of them spoke in derogatory terms or from fear from being with him. I didn't catch that they felt they were with a sociopath.

They seemed to testify in a factual, event listing, common place way. JMO

 

[Hello_Kitty]

I would call that someone who was a failure, no education, no job...no money etc. etc. etc. in other words a bum..who thought he could fly by with his so called "good looks":floorlaugh: trying to impress a woman...obviously it worked for a short time with some...some even slept with him...but I guess when they found out he had no $$$$ and no real job they moved on....to another:moo::moo: I doubt that MR even has a double digit IQ..he strikes me as someone who would be in a remedial class at school...:moo::moo:

I think you might be right about that! But it doesn't make him any less capable of manipulating a drug addict who talks about murder into killing a little girl he intends to rape.

 

[OhSoCurious]

intent to rape ...

Interesting that I know of a situation where a man was arrested with what one might call a torture/rape kit in his car (duct tape, handcuffs, rope, camping knife, pornographic material, women's lingerie, just to mention a few items). He was attempting to lure young girls into his car. This was not his first arrest with sure gear either.

THAT sounded like intent to rape and worse to me. It's all perception and what we read into things I guess? JMO

 

[Ardy]

Anyone else wonder why MR's drug dealer in Guelph described him as broken out in cold sores and a nervous wreck........and none of the women he dated after the abduction mentioned anything about it?

JMO

 

[Hello_Kitty]

intent to rape ...

Interesting that I know of a situation where a man was arrested with what one might call a torture/rape kit in his car (duct tape, handcuffs, rope, camping knife, pornographic material, women's lingerie, just to mention a few items). He was attempting to lure young girls into his car. This was not his first arrest with sure gear either.

THAT sounded like intent to rape and worse to me. It's all perception and what we read into things I guess?

I think you missed the point of my post.

 

[brighidin]

When Cindy described all the dead pets and how they were buried in the backyard throughout the years, I almost vomited. It was bad enough hearing that Casey was a part of the dead animals preparation process for burial and that she attended their burials as early as the impressionable age of four, I really wondered what went on in that household. Are the dead animals part of their family secrets?


Sociopaths begin their sociopathic lives early on. They usually torture and kill animals from a very young age, They get a thrill from this and like a vampire who needs blood to sustain their life, a sociopath has needs to kill and to keep killing, They get a sadistic thrill out of it.

http://drlillianglassbodylanguagebl...decades-later-and-now-a-full-blown-sociopath/

TLM is a sociopath ... it starts with the animals ... work their way up to larger targets ... like a child ...

JMO

Its not sociopaths who torture animals. That is a characteristic of psychopaths. Both of which, interestingly, are subsets of antisocial personality disorder.

 

[OhSoCurious]

Anyone else wonder why MR's drug dealer in Guelph described him as broken out in cold sores and a nervous wreck........and none of the women he dated after the abduction mentioned anything about it?

JMO

That's a really good question, I had not thought about. You'd think he would shy away from first time dates from an online service if had cold sores, etc.

<modsnip> JMO

 

[tmhco]

I would call that someone who was a failure, no education, no job...no money etc. etc. etc. in other words a bum..who thought he could fly by with his so called "good looks":floorlaugh: trying to impress a woman...obviously it worked for a short time with some...some even slept with him...but I guess when they found out he had no $$$$ and no real job they moved on....to another:moo::moo: I doubt that MR even has a double digit IQ..he strikes me as someone who would be in a remedial class at school...:moo::moo:

Do you find it strange that he kept coming up with different stories about himself? If I were going to embellish my job, i would at lease use the same one! I think he bent to story to fit his victim, i mean date. JMO

 

[Kamille]

Anyone else wonder why MR's drug dealer in Guelph described him as broken out in cold sores and a nervous wreck........and none of the women he dated after the abduction mentioned anything about it?

JMO

Maybe she lied to make it seem like MR had a conscience about what he did. But apparently he didn't because he was making dates for breakfast the very next day.

MOO

 

[brighidin]

Come to think of it wasn't that photo of him at the mystery theatre with his MY NAME IS MYCHOL name tag in that time frame? His face looked clear to me.

Has that been established? I thought people were just assuming that. I must have missed the link. Do you have it? Thanks.

 

[Hello_Kitty]

Anyone else wonder why MR's drug dealer in Guelph described him as broken out in cold sores and a nervous wreck........and none of the women he dated after the abduction mentioned anything about it?

JMO

Maybe she lied to make it seem like MR had a conscience about what he did. But apparently he didn't because he was making dates for breakfast the very next day.

MOO

Or maybe they didn't mention it because they weren't asked when they testified.

 

[OhSoCurious]

Oh I would hate to think another witness lied on the stand. The jurors have such a tough task determining the truth. JMO