Woman Gives Birth To Octuplets In California

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Ok, here's what's bugging me. Will doctors implant embryos in a woman, as long as she's paying or could she have lied about having had 7 children (although that one passed away)?

Ethical fertility doctors would NOT. However there is always that sleaze ball that doesn;t care where he gets his money as long as the patient pays. Thsi doctor would have had to know she already had 7 kids as he would have to see her medical file before doing IVF or any fertility drugs. So either she is from Iran or a foreign country (saying Iran if that is where the father has to return to for work) and that is why the doctor did not know that she had any othr kids as she did not give him her medical records before hand, or he knew and did not care. Now a thought just occurred to me. I sure hope that this is not a family from Iran that came over here to have all these babies and their HUGE house is in Iran. That being the reason no one will ever find them. Sounds very hinky to me. Wonder if they are of political power and of Iran? If so then why did they come here to have these babies? Medical care not avialable over there?
 
I just read that this woman lives with her parents? Sorry but a woman that already has 6 kids and lives with her parents has NO business undergoing fertility treatments. If she has no money to live on her own and already has too many kids, she should not be undergoing fertility treatments. At this point I was wondering how in the heck she can afford IVF but I am wondering if she simply took fertility drugs and underwent IUI. She was majorly over stimulated?

This is sad and I'm windering if she did this for publicity. Sorry but a woman that has 6 kids already should not be treated for infertility.

This is a medical travesy and abusing medicine, IMO.


According to the article I posted above, it was IVF, they put in 8 embryos, and all of them 'took'. I am withholding any judgement on this family until we know more. Up to now, they have asked to be left alone. Her husband works in Iraq, maybe she is staying with her parents while he works abroad.
 
Ethical fertility doctors would NOT. However there is always that sleaze ball that doesn;t care where he gets his money as long as the patient pays. Thsi doctor would have had to know she already had 7 kids as he would have to see her medical file before doing IVF or any fertility drugs. So either she is from Iran or a foreign country (saying Iran if that is where the father has to return to for work) and that is why the doctor did not know that she had any othr kids as she did not give him her medical records before hand, or he knew and did not care. Now a thought just occurred to me. I sure hope that this is not a family from Iran that came over here to have all these babies and their HUGE house is in Iran. That being the reason no one will ever find them. Sounds very hinky to me. Wonder if they are of political power and of Iran? If so then why did they come here to have these babies? Medical care not avialable over there?

I admit that I have issues with the way fertility medications/OBGYN decide to work with a woman to conceive (the number implanted). I think that is a totally different topic, IMO. That said, I think your post pointing to the "theory" that this woman is from Iran is simply wrong and unfair on every level. Honestly, where did that come from? And, even IF (huge IF) she was, it matters why??? I read this post as making an Alp from a molehill...

Respectively submitted...
 
According to this article, the father is a contract worker who will be headed back to Iraq soon.
They have to have some money- fertility treatments of this nature are not cheap, $10 - $15 K on average. Unless they have really really good insurance.
So far, the family has asked for privacy - no mention of freebies anywhere I can see.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/30/mother.octuplets/index.html


LovingtheChaos posted the link to an article that says her Husband is a contract worker who will be headed back to Iraq.

Those contractors in general make very good money. It does depend on what he is contracted to do and by whom.

To illustrate, my Husband has 24 yrs in active duty and has been offered a job by more than one contractors working in Iraq and they have offered him nothing less than 150,000 USD a year. He has chosen to follow his career in the military after much discussion between us and what we hold important in our value system.

I'm confused as to how Iran and/or Iranian citizens came into this discussion?
 
http://abcnews.go.com/gma

I honestly don't know what to say about this situation. :confused:

One expert said that no 'legitimate' fertility doctor would most likely implant 8 embryos at a time. Two, yes, but it's highly unlikely 8. :eek:

One expert estimated it will cost $2.5 mil to raise these 8 children. This is just for the basics, ie food, clothing, etc.

I understand that donations have already begun to be received at the hospital, of both gifts and envelopes. :rolleyes:


Interesting,
fran
 
Don't worry. I'm sure they'll be getting a big new house complete with 8 brand new shiny Maytag washers & dryers and the dream kitchen I always wanted....all for FREE so some media outlet can report it and the donors get advertisements and product placement.
 
According to this article, the father is a contract worker who will be headed back to Iraq soon.
They have to have some money- fertility treatments of this nature are not cheap, $10 - $15 K on average. Unless they have really really good insurance.
So far, the family has asked for privacy - no mention of freebies anywhere I can see.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/30/mother.octuplets/index.html


snippet from article that lovingthechaos posted (thank you LTC by the way:))


"The woman declined to have the number of embryos reduced when she discovered she was carrying multiples, the Times reported. The six older siblings range from ages 7 to 2, according to the newspaper.

Suleman said she was concerned about her daughter's homecoming because her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq."
 


Thank you lola for posting the link :)


snippet from link Lola posted:

"The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he's a former Iraqi military man."


It does not report if the Grandfather is a paternal or maternal Grandfather.
And:

"Suleman told the Times her daughter had embryos implanted and, "They all happened to take."


So can we safely assume that this was a IVF procedure?

And:

"Doctors at the hospital where the octuplets were born, Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., some 17 miles southeast of L.A., say the patient came to them already three months pregnant.

Asked at a news conference whether fertility assistance should be provided for a mother who already has multiple children, Dr. Harold Henry, part of the team that delivered the octuplets, said, "Kaiser has no policy on that, adding that doctors counseled the woman on her options.

"The options," said Henry, "were to continue the pregnancy or to selectively abort. The patient chose to continue the pregnancy."


Bolding in above quotes from article by me.

So she didn't seek prenatal care from the Dr's that delivered her babies until she was 3 months pregnant? Why didn't the doctor who gave her the fertility treatments and/or IVF follow her care?

If faced with the proposition of having to abort any of my children, I would continue to carry, but that's just me and my choices
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And:

"On The Early Show Friday, Michael Tucker, scientific director of Georgia Reproductive Specialists, says all these developments leave him "stunned. As the story's unfolded and it's gone from the potential use of just fertility drugs, or misuse thereof, to actual, apparently, IVF (in-vitro fertilization) with transfer of embryos, this is just remarkable to me that any practitioner in our field of reproductive medicine would undertake such a practice."
Tucker, who has a doctorate in reproductive physiology, says it's "absolutely" possible the octuplets' mother got pregnant with them by taking fertility drugs on her own without the help of a clinic, "and that seemed the most plausible scenario, simply because the profession, we're policed by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, has focused so minutely on the fact that we need to reduce the number of embryos that we transfer. We really are all about seeking the one, the one embryo that's going to make the healthy, single-born baby."

Aha! Did she treat herself with fertility drugs? Curious to know?And:

"CBS News has learned that the family of the octuplets born this week outside Los Angeles filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home a little over a year-and-a-half ago."


This is very concerning, how could they afford fertility treatments but yet not afford to keep a roof over the children's heads that they do have?

And:

""Suffice to say," Tucker responded, "I've been in this business for 25 years now. And it's pretty much standard practice in all clinics to have some form of psychological evaluation of the patient. Also, their sociological circumstances. And I'm stunned, actually, that a clinic would proceed to treat a patient in this circumstance and then even to get to perhaps the transfer of embryos and ponder the transfer in, I believe, the lady's mid-30s, a 35-year-old -- she should be receiving two embryos, maximum, as a transfer into her uterus to have had eight transferred is somewhat -- is extremely irresponsible."

Bolding by me:

I can see where this is going to be investigated more in depth if a clinic or Dr. didn't follow guidelines that are accepted practices in this field.
 
I admit that I have issues with the way fertility medications/OBGYN decide to work with a woman to conceive (the number implanted). I think that is a totally different topic, IMO. That said, I think your post pointing to the "theory" that this woman is from Iran is simply wrong and unfair on every level. Honestly, where did that come from? And, even IF (huge IF) she was, it matters why??? I read this post as making an Alp from a molehill...

Respectively submitted...


Why is it up to a Dr. to decide how many babies a woman can have? This is not China, it is not up to anyone but a man & woman to decide. While I think they are nuts, it is really not my place to say what size family they should have. I kind of doubt they went into this to have 8 more babies. They probably wanted one more, & this happened unexpectadly. Perhaps, they were having another baby to heal the pain from the loss.

I went through IVF & years of fertility treatments to try & have a baby, spending roughly $20K over the years. My clinic would never implant more than 3 emryos at a time. There are clinics that go up to 6, & I am sure others that may implant more, especially if the quality of the embryos is in question.

Honestly, had I conceived 3 babies with IVF, it would have been a shock, but if my Dr. offered selective reduction (the term they apply to make it sound better than what it really is), I would have been sick. I am pro-choice, but could not ever make that choice for a baby or babies I was carrying. I can't imagine someone who has a pro-life POV (which this couple may be) being faced with such a horrible option.
 
Just FYI...I have the Los Angeles Times here in front of me, and it's clear in the article that it is the woman's father (the maternal grandfather of the octuplets) who is returning to Iraq to work. Hope this helps.
 
Just FYI...I have the Los Angeles Times here in front of me, and it's clear in the article that it is the woman's father (the maternal grandfather of the octuplets) who is returning to Iraq to work. Hope this helps.

TY ucralum.
 
Why is it up to a Dr. to decide how many babies a woman can have? This is not China, it is not up to anyone but a man & woman to decide. While I think they are nuts, it is really not my place to say what size family they should have. I kind of doubt they went into this to have 8 more babies. They probably wanted one more, & this happened unexpectadly. Perhaps, they were having another baby to heal the pain from the loss.

I went through IVF & years of fertility treatments to try & have a baby, spending roughly $20K over the years. My clinic would never implant more than 3 emryos at a time. There are clinics that go up to 6, & I am sure others that may implant more, especially if the quality of the embryos is in question.

Honestly, had I conceived 3 babies with IVF, it would have been a shock, but if my Dr. offered selective reduction (the term they apply to make it sound better than what it really is), I would have been sick. I am pro-choice, but could not ever make that choice for a baby or babies I was carrying. I can't imagine someone who has a pro-life POV (which this couple may be) being faced with such a horrible option.

Please, do not misunderstand where I am coming from. I have friends and dear family members who have undergone IVF procedures. Some successful, some, sadly not. I only have issues with huge numbers. But, that is me because I consider Mother, children, and health safety for all. FWIW, I am a woman who had choices made to me many years ago and I chose no. That said, anyone who does I will not pass some guilt trip to. I am only *me*.

I have not tossed this woman into a judgemental basket as some have. I only questioned the accusations of the Mother being from Iran and WTH does that have to do with anything.
 
Please, do not misunderstand where I am coming from. I have friends and dear family members who have undergone IVF procedures. Some successful, some, sadly not. I only have issues with huge numbers. But, that is me because I consider Mother, children, and health safety for all. FWIW, I am a woman who had choices made to me many years ago and I chose no. That said, anyone who does I will not pass some guilt trip to. I am only *me*.

I have not tossed this woman into a judgemental basket as some have. I only questioned the accusations of the Mother being from Iran and WTH does that have to do with anything.


Doesnt Invetro mean that her own eggs are fetilized invetro? I am reading that this woman was implanted with embryos. Already fetilized....
Not fertility drugs, not invetro.

Is that correct?
 
if it is her plan on getting state assistance its only good for 2 years:
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) - This program can bring you cash assistance if you have minimal household income. The TANF program was designed to bring income into homes so that children and elderly dependents can be cared for. The criteria for these welfare benefits is that the heads of the household are working to obtain job training that will allow them to leave the welfare program. This is a temporary assistance welfare program and is not designed to continue year after year.
http://www.welfareprogram.info/

I couldnt find it but i thought it only covered up to 3 or 5 children it seems like it changed years ago because so many people were having children just to get more money

Im anxious to hear her story from her
 
Doesnt Invetro mean that her own eggs are fetilized invetro? I am reading that this woman was implanted with embryos. Already fetilized....
Not fertility drugs, not invetro.

Is that correct?

I have been trying to find the media medical news link from earlier today that stated fertility medications were used and embyros resulting from that had been implanted. Try Google for the story. I wish all a healthy life.
 
Please, do not misunderstand where I am coming from. I have friends and dear family members who have undergone IVF procedures. Some successful, some, sadly not. I only have issues with huge numbers. But, that is me because I consider Mother, children, and health safety for all. FWIW, I am a woman who had choices made to me many years ago and I chose no. That said, anyone who does I will not pass some guilt trip to. I am only *me*.

I have not tossed this woman into a judgemental basket as some have. I only questioned the accusations of the Mother being from Iran and WTH does that have to do with anything.

Ordinary Life - I did not mean to direct my comments to you, sorry if quoting yuo gave that impression :blowkiss:
 
Why is it up to a Dr. to decide how many babies a woman can have? This is not China, it is not up to anyone but a man & woman to decide. While I think they are nuts, it is really not my place to say what size family they should have. I kind of doubt they went into this to have 8 more babies. They probably wanted one more, & this happened unexpectadly. Perhaps, they were having another baby to heal the pain from the loss.

I went through IVF & years of fertility treatments to try & have a baby, spending roughly $20K over the years. My clinic would never implant more than 3 emryos at a time. There are clinics that go up to 6, & I am sure others that may implant more, especially if the quality of the embryos is in question.

Honestly, had I conceived 3 babies with IVF, it would have been a shock, but if my Dr. offered selective reduction (the term they apply to make it sound better than what it really is), I would have been sick. I am pro-choice, but could not ever make that choice for a baby or babies I was carrying. I can't imagine someone who has a pro-life POV (which this couple may be) being faced with such a horrible option.

It is not up to a doctor (or the government) to decide how many babies a woman can have; however, it IS up to a doctor to decide on appropriate medical treatment and care, which may limit how many babies a woman has AT ONE TIME.

It is in no way in the best interest of mother or babies for 8 to be carried and born at once, the proof being that this is only the second time in known history that all 8 have survived more than an hour or so. Never has it been known for a woman to have 8 babies without medical intervention.

If a woman wanted to endanger her children or herself with another kind of drug, would a doctor be obligated to let her b/c this isn't China and we are a free country? Of course not. There are still ethical guidelines and laws. This woman DID endanger herself and her children. The fact that they are all alive is nothing short of a miracle. Take the financial aspect out of the equation, and there is still bound to be an investigation for malpractice by the medical board.

But, if you really want to know my suspicion...it is that she stole, borrowed, or illegally bought fertility drugs and was dosing herself. Just my prediction. I could be WAY off.
 
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