Lalalacasbah
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No dealings with DG, but what about MH?
I took this as Winter had no dealings with DG and that any business connection between DG and AL happened before WP.
No dealings with DG, but what about MH?
In a word, 'yes'!
Why? Because although they did find 'a' green truck, only evidence will prove that it is 'the' green truck. People HAVE in the past been wrongfully accused and even convicted here in this country. It has happened numerous times. It has happened that police focus on one thing, and then look for everything to fit neatly into that one thing, instead of looking out at everything to see where that everything may lead.
Police were tipped off that DG owned a green truck similar to the one pictured in the 2 photos released by LE. LE then went to the property, found DG's similar truck, took it away for examination, and took DG in for questioning. A day later, DG was released from questioning, because at that point LE had no choice but to let him go, or charge him. They did not have enough to charge him at that point, so they released him from questioning. If the truck had blood in it, which it presumably would have if these bodies were dragged down that stained walkway, LE would have seen it, and would have arrested him. Instead, in order to keep him detained for longer than they could rightfully detain him in regard to the murders, they charged him with the fake ID/impersonation charges. He was later released on $750 bail. By that time, LE had been combing his property with a fine toothed comb for days, taking whatever they felt could potentially be evidence, and re-arrested him after he was let out on bail, charging him with the murders and saying there was no smoking gun. Blood or evidence in the truck would have been a smoking gun, I would think, IMOO. We don't know if the truck was returned, or if DG would have to pick up the truck from a compound somewhere if it had been released, or if LE is keeping it as evidence, since LE is being very tight lipped about everything. Sometimes, what may seem like common sense, makes people come to conclusions before an accused has his day in court. I, for one, am dying to hear about all of this circumstantial evidence they have gathered, before I reach a guilty verdict.
I took this as Winter had no dealings with DG and that any business connection between DG and AL happened before WP.
Regarding the allegation that oil and gas employees are seedy, transient people that are busy making deals and connections, let's consider for a moment that both of Nathan's parents, and his grandfather, are/were oil and gas employees. I am actually offended that anyone would generalize about the oil industry in that way. In reality, oil/gas industry employees are professional, hard working engineers, engineering technologists, accountants, lawyers, and other professionals that conduct themselves according to the expectations of their profession. They should not under any circumstances be portrayed as seedy, transient people that have drug connections.
Regarding the allegation that oil and gas employees are seedy, transient people that are busy making deals and connections, let's consider for a moment that both of Nathan's parents, and his grandfather, are/were oil and gas employees. I am actually offended that anyone would generalize about the oil industry in that way. In reality, oil/gas industry employees are professional, hard working engineers, engineering technologists, accountants, lawyers, and other professionals that conduct themselves according to the expectations of their profession. They should not under any circumstances be portrayed as seedy, transient people that have drug connections.
No one made that allegation, and every profession will say the exact same thing. Yet, organized crime exists. It launders the proceeds of crime through legitimate, and seemingly legitimate companies and activities, among other ways. Every profession, from LE, to lawyers, to engineers, to doctors have their bad apples.
I certainly hope if LE ever gets any tips about organized crime in the oil and gas industry, that they don't just dismiss it. Feh, we don't need to look into it, they're engineers for heaven's sake.
Even the Vatican's accountant was recently charged with money laundering. Google it.
If the victims have been connected with drugs, mafia, the underground, or bikers, please post a link to support that claim.
Without a link to support the claim, it is a fact that the victims have not in any way been connected with the above.
Perhaps when people see Nexen or Cenovus employees taking lunch breaks in their suits, they imagine that they are seedy, transient (not sure what a transient oil/gas employee is) weirdos making deals and connections ... I don't know why anyone would think that ... but perhaps they do. The facts of the case are straight forward, and there is no factual information connecting the victims to drugs.
In fact, I think it's absolutely bizarre that anyone thinks that the Calgary oil and gas industry is filled with transient, seedy people. How in the world can Calgary be leading the Canadian oil industry if the employees are such questionable characters. How about a reality check. Check out the Calgary oil/gas industry before suggesting that they're a bunch of seedy transients.
Okay - let's put the drug discussion, as it pertains to the victims, away for now. If something breaks in MSM, then it can be reconsidered.
And, as always, please remember to be respectful of each other. This is not a contest, it is an exploration.
Thanks,
Salem
The standard put forward by someone, I can't remember who, was that fact, backed up by link, was the only allowable source of discussion. "Common sense" is nothing more than speculation based on probabilities and likelihood.
Thank you for finally admitting that speculation is allowed, and required.
Regarding the allegation that oil and gas employees are seedy, transient people that are busy making deals and connections, let's consider for a moment that both of Nathan's parents, and his grandfather, are/were oil and gas employees. I am actually offended that anyone would generalize about the oil industry in that way. In reality, oil/gas industry employees are professional, hard working engineers, engineering technologists, accountants, lawyers, and other professionals that conduct themselves according to the expectations of their profession. They should not under any circumstances be portrayed as seedy, transient people that have drug connections.
Let's assume that although police were looking for a specific green truck, they didn't find it, they decided to stop looking for it, and that's that. The owner of the green truck is long gone and no one cares. For fun, police have decided to pin the murders on a loner from Airdrie, and that's that.
Police then decided to take a Mexico vacation, under the ruse of investigating a condo.
Case closed.
So was I. Trust me, there is a lot of seedy, transient people in the O&G business, and other businesses as well. People are people, these types show up in every industry, every neighborhood, and every street corner.
I know the Engineers, Lawyers, Accountants, Engineering Technologists, Owners, GM's, VP's, equipment operators, truck drivers, tool pushes, Foremen, etc, etc, etc. There are nurses and doctors on staff as well. There are pilots, and retired and/or ex-LE as well. There's all kinds of people in the O&G industry.
It's been mentioned in the last couple of pages that there were 'two' pictures of the 'green truck' distributed to the public from LE. I have only seen one...Does anyone have the second or a link to that second picture? Thanks
What if.... the green truck isn't relevant at all in this case? We don't know that it is. And if it is or if it isn't, we don't know that the truck in the photograph is DG's truck, and we don't know, even if it was DG's truck, that it contained evidence of him being a murderer. Just because LE are doing their jobs (hopefully to the extent that they should be) in following up on all leads and possibilities, does not mean that everything they do and find, is relevant to, or evidence for, this case. We have already been told that the arrest was based on a bunch of pieces of circumstantial evidence, none of which in itself would qualify as a 'smoking gun', so let's be sure that the circumstantial evidence is in fact evidence at all. May I be so bold as to ask why some are so certain of this man's guilt, especially when the public has been enlightened so little in the way of evidence?
What if.... the green truck isn't relevant at all in this case? We don't know that it is. And if it is or if it isn't, we don't know that the truck in the photograph is DG's truck, and we don't know, even if it was DG's truck, that it contained evidence of him being a murderer. Just because LE are doing their jobs (hopefully to the extent that they should be) in following up on all leads and possibilities, does not mean that everything they do and find, is relevant to, or evidence for, this case. We have already been told that the arrest was based on a bunch of pieces of circumstantial evidence, none of which in itself would qualify as a 'smoking gun', so let's be sure that the circumstantial evidence is in fact evidence at all. May I be so bold as to ask why some are so certain of this man's guilt, especially when the public has been enlightened so little in the way of evidence?
The victims, specifically the parents of Nathan, are both oil and gas employees. The grandfather, a victim, was an oil and gas employee.
Could you please provide a link to support the claim that the Calgary oil and gas industry is rife with illegal drug abuse.