Bosma Murder Trial 05.04.16 - Day 45

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I'm wondering will DM's defense present more letters as evidence? I'm thinking DM could write anything he wanted in his own hand-writing and say his mother kept some of the letters he wrote to CN and later gave them back to him, IMO. Then he could write things to suit any purpose he has in mind, IMO. Would any additional letters from DM to CN or others not be given the same weight in court as those found at CN's home? Her credibility is shot so if they asked her if she had ever received them and she said no, would anyone believe her now?

For instance, DM could write letters and choose to assign any date he liked, while addressing CN as usual but say how he had then changed his mind about asking her to tamper with witnesses and was going to just tell the truth in court etc. etc. Now that all the Crown's evidence has been presented and all the Crown's witnesses have testified he could tailor his letters to fit any plausible scenario he chooses or explain away certain key aspects of witness testimony with such a letter writing strategy, IMO.

If DM's defense team doesn't have to give the Crown or his co-accused a heads up on disclosure from their side, isn't it just possible that DM could try to counter the Crown's position with "new" letters that no one else had ever seen before? I wouldn't believe him but I wouldn't put it past DM to try something like this if his defense team allowed it, IMO.

I don't know the rules about evidence. Any thoughts on whether DM could try to plant new evidence for his defense in this way?

All MOO.
 
Did we ever hear where CNs letters to DM are? Did he eat them? Where could they go he was in jail in segregation.

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CJPRINCESS said:
Im wondering if they'll recall AM. They couldn't bring the letters up until CN testified. Now that the letter are evidence, maybe the Crown will ask him about the parts that pertain to him? Like the part where DM says "AM changed statement to I don't knows and he loves him for that"
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I wondered the same thing for the same reason. When reading the letters, I wondered why this point about AM had not been raised. And perhaps bring back MH as well.

All MOO.
 
LoyalSleuth said:
Did we ever hear where CNs letters to DM are? Did he eat them? Where could they go he was in jail in segregation.

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I'd assume he likely tore them up and flushed them
 
Looks like the wicked witch got Dorthy's red shoes, on the yellow brick road of lies. Jmo
 
LoyalSleuth said:
Did we ever hear where CNs letters to DM are? Did he eat them? Where could they go he was in jail in segregation.

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We never heard. I think people are possibly overestimated the ability of a prison plumbing not to get backed up with paper.

I've said all along I felt MB brought CN's letters, maybe in the guise of other paperwork, and let him read them (even if up against glass), and then destroyed them.

Mother of the year and all that.
 
brightii said:
I wondered the same thing for the same reason. When reading the letters, I wondered why this point about AM had not been raised. And perhaps bring back MH as well.

All MOO.
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They won't be coming back. It will be a last evidence submission made before the crown closes its case. It won't be a player or character in this. CN will be the character that they want to be remembered as they close.
jmo :)
 
ArianeEmory said:
We never heard. I think people are possibly overestimated the ability of a prison plumbing not to get backed up with paper.

I've said all along I felt MB brought CN's letters, maybe in the guise of other paperwork, and let him read them (even if up against glass), and then destroyed them.

Mother of the year and all that.
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There are lots of ways he could have destroyed the letters in prison. He had pictures and other items from her letters that he had kept so they were getting to him. There has been nothing brought forward that these items were found either.
 
EspressoBean said:
They won't be coming back. It will be a last evidence submission made before the crown closes its case. It won't be a player or character in this. CN will be the character that they want to be remembered as they close.
jmo :)
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And I think she did exactly what the Crown and Dungey were hoping. She tried very hard to protect DM with her I don't knows etc. Instead she made him look extremely guilty by looking like she's hiding everything. Between the letters and trailer wiping that's all the needed.
 
brightii said:
I'm wondering will DM's defense present more letters as evidence? I'm thinking DM could write anything he wanted in his own hand-writing and say his mother kept some of the letters he wrote to CN and later gave them back to him, IMO. Then he could write things to suit any purpose he has in mind, IMO. Would any additional letters from DM to CN or others not be given the same weight in court as those found at CN's home? Her credibility is shot so if they asked her if she had ever received them and she said no, would anyone believe her now?

For instance, DM could write letters and choose to assign any date he liked, while addressing CN as usual but say how he had then changed his mind about asking her to tamper with witnesses and was going to just tell the truth in court etc. etc. Now that all the Crown's evidence has been presented and all the Crown's witnesses have testified he could tailor his letters to fit any plausible scenario he chooses or explain away certain key aspects of witness testimony with such a letter writing strategy, IMO.

If DM's defense team doesn't have to give the Crown or his co-accused a heads up on disclosure from their side, isn't it just possible that DM could try to counter the Crown's position with "new" letters that no one else had ever seen before? I wouldn't believe him but I wouldn't put it past DM to try something like this if his defense team allowed it, IMO.

I don't know the rules about evidence. Any thoughts on whether DM could try to plant new evidence for his defense in this way?

All MOO.
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This would require MB testifying about these and I would be very surprised if she is anywhere to be found and shows up to testify for the defense. I believe that the crown would have had access to these letters although I'm not entirely clear regarding disclosure by the defense before trial.
 
ADAWG said:
And I think she did exactly what the Crown and Dungey were hoping. She tried very hard to protect DM with her I don't knows etc. Instead she made him look extremely guilty by looking like she's hiding everything. Between the letters and trailer wiping that's all the needed.
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I really don't think she tried hard to protect DM. I think she only tried very hard to protect herself.
Any caution around pointing at DM with anything was also self-preservation as he will likely be testifying at her trial.
 
canadiangirl said:
Can they now that it's in the media though?
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The whole trial was in the media. I'm sure they were all following along as each testified. I am not 100% sure if the Crown can recall the witnesses. From what I know from past personal trials, I wasn't allowed in the courtroom after I testified incase I needed to be recalled. The Crown escorted me out and then advised me of this. They weren't high profile murder cases but were open court (anyone could sit in) Maybe someone else can chime in that knows for certain in a case like this.
 
EspressoBean said:
This would require MB testifying about these and I would be very surprised if she is anywhere to be found and shows up to testify for the defense. I believe that the crown would have had access to these letters although I'm not entirely clear regarding disclosure by the defense before trial.
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I don't know about how disclosure works from the defense side either, but if DM did manufacture letters, I'm not so sure MB would mind saying she gave them back to DM because it's already been accepted as evidence that she was involved in helping DM and CN make contact even though DM had a DNC order in place re CN, and MB didn't get charged for that, IMO.

But you're likely right about MB and my imagination is working overtime tonight. lol

All MOO.
 
Just4TB said:
It was deleted in the past 3 minutes. I cannot repeat it here... but it provided a window into her future. People hate her.
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There have been a number of those posted on different photos. Some have been pretty colourful. Most have lasted a few hours to at least a day. I checked her photo not too long ago so that was one quick delete! Her twitter followers #'s grows daily, though.
 
MrsThreadgoode said:
CN keeps stressing that wiping hers and MB's fingerprints off wasn't tampering with evidence, it was just removing their involvement ...

Can someone explain her reasoning here? I mean, legally, isn't wiping ANY prints off (regardless of whether the prints belonged to CN,MB or DM) considered tampering with evidence?

Or does her charge of accessory after the fact basically mean that it was OK for her to remove her own and MB's prints, but by removing DM's she is more guilty?

Sorry if I haven't worded my question well ... I am just trying to understand, legally speaking.

Thank you.
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It appears to me that CN thinks her life comes with a delete button. Dit dit...there, that never happened.
 
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