I'm not confused. You are. Detective Mund was wearing Nike tennis shoes. It's obvious in the picture. And as you stated, Tinner confirmed(whatever that's worth). But do you think Detective Mund wore a size 5 shoe? Did he exhibit a forward motion in his footprint? It doesn't matter....he(Mund) is facing NORTH...and besides that....if your theory holds then Mund would have had to make a footprint that exhibited characteristics of southern lighting at his toe-it's not even worth discussing. Jacob's footprint is facing SOUTH. Study the picture of the footprint and the sunlight/shadows...... This was discussed + dissected long ago on WS. Someone did walk Jacob to a vehicle and put him in that vehicle....the evidence available suggests that.....however limited that may be. IMO, having the entire print field would solidify that scenario but that's not necessary for a conclusion. Just look at your own links of pictures of casts being taken on DR's driveway. The activity is concentrated in a very small area and then disappears and is subsequently cordoned off by LE. Wouldn't this alone indicate an abduction by vehicle?
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Nobody has the footprints down and nobody has the tire tracks down. And we are not supposed to yet, for some reason LE doesn't want us to know yet. What and who in the heck is LE protecting? It's been 26 years.
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I was once a star player in Scrabble and Words With Friends, I'm starting to lose it in my old age.
I am confused. You say Mund has the tennis shoes in the pic. So where are Jacob's prints then? Are there pics of them? How do we know the prints are of a size five shoe?
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I don't disagree. One of the things that appears to be "rookie" to me is that in none of the photographs we have seen of the print field, do any of the tire tracks or footprints have any reference marker next to them. Early on (even prior to the 80's) it was a yellow ruler with clear black marks, now it is a yellow or white "L" shaped reference indicator. It makes it easy to determine size of foot and tire prints even years later.
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Just for fun here... Sterns County, if you read this thread on occasion. Here is a little tip for you. Assuming you still have the plaster casts of the tire tracks and have the tires from the EXP, let me help you out a bit.
Find your closest FARO sales facility. Pay for some time with one of their CMM operators who is very skilled with their new laser scanner. Have the operator scan the plaster casts and create a file for each one. Next have the operator scan each of the EXP tires, you will need multiple scans of each tire to get the entire circumference. Have the operator do overlays of sections of the tires on the plaster cast scans. You will be looking for wear indicators, cuts, nicks, etc as well as the patterns. If one or more areas match up, you can 100% place DH's car in the driveway. Do the same with DH's shoes and the shoe print casts, if you made any.
Find your closest FARO sales facility. Pay for some time with one of their CMM operators who is very skilled with their new laser scanner. Have the operator scan the plaster casts and create a file for each one. Next have the operator scan each of the EXP tires, you will need multiple scans of each tire to get the entire circumference. Have the operator do overlays of sections of the tires on the plaster cast scans. You will be looking for wear indicators, cuts, nicks, etc as well as the patterns. If one or more areas match up, you can 100% place DH's car in the driveway. Do the same with DH's shoes and the shoe print casts, if you made any.
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Tracker, the tires on Heinrichs car are so different and would create such a unique pattern from 3 mismatched tires, how could they seriously not positively ID his vehicle on the driveway?
That reinforces the idea of photo op
Doesn't the FBI still have the back tires?
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I'm sure the tires are recycled by now, but trust me they had their time with them before doing that.
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They dismissed what they had when Kevin came forward. Missed opportunity.
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No idea. Before laser scanning became as advanced as it is now, agencies and departments with advanced forensics used clear plastic sheets that would be laid over the plaster casts, shoe soles, tire prints and tires. They would then very carefully trace the patterns out with thin permanent markers. They would then overlay the plastic sheets on each other until things lined up, or did not line up depending on the results.
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Yes, and as I tried to explain a while back, two of those tires would have been on one side and would have created a double pattern, and why what you see in the picture to you does not "seem" to match the one Sears tire.
Also keep in mind that a tire print is a "negative" of the tire. Think photograph and it's negative. What is deep in the tread pattern is a high point in the track.
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Wanted to let you and cGorg know that Tinner emailed me that he now thinks Mund was wearing "dock shoes" and that what he thought was a Nike swoosh is actually a shadow. He has a couple of pictures to go with his analysis.
"After spending hours searching shoe tread patterns online I thought I was sold on the fact mund was wearing a running shoe from Nike. I'm no longer sold on that anymore. I'll explain and think you will agree.
In the attached picture you will notice the green arrow points to what at first glance looks like the symbolic Nike Swoosh. However, if you look closer, have a little knowledge on sun angles, you'll notice Mund is obviously facing North, it's approx. 9:30 - 10 am, and this black and white photo shows some shadow play to be sorted out. It looks to me that Mund is turned slightly to the NW and his right heel is casting a shadow over his white socks indicated by the red arrow. The curve of the white is an unrealistic curve for the clearance cut in the shoe for an ankle.
It's my belief now that he is wearing some sort of dock shoe, oxford or loafers.
-Besides, do people really wear Nike running shoes with sport coats?!?! If they do they should be arrested for it!!
Ryan"
Sorry folks, I am having trouble getting the pictures to post with my antique windows 7 computer, so I will do it from work tomorrow.
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They look like tennis shoes to me. Loafers and dock shoes do not have that much to them. Thise shies have mire too and sides than a loafer or dock shoe.
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Oh so now we are changing our minds huh? I know what I saw when he showed us the picture, a nike symbol. And even if it is still Jacobs footprint, there are no others of his. He has two feet, the perpetrator has two feet, and they somehow have to correlate with the vehicle. So how about we take a look at all of that shall we?
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I am now on my desktop computer with a 27 inch Hi Def Monitor and I'll say this, there is no way but to ask LE or Steve Mund exactly what type of shoe he was wearing. But the advantages of my larger monitor are still showing me these are tied up tennis shoes. I could be wrong.
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Jacobs last said footprint.
The way mund studies tire tracks.
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1. Tracking dogs lost JEW’s scent at about this point. That scent also tapered off in a direction leading toward the house, indicating JEW’s progression toward the house on that property.
"But there is another mystery to solve here. Just as we noted the difference between prints taking on or off the parallel track, we see that no other prints appear near JEW’s. If S1 escorted JEW to a car, or anywhere for that matter, where are his prints? We can’t find them in the photos we have, which are photos that clearly show the area around JEW’s last impression. And S1’s prints should have taken in that location."
Where are S1's prints you ask like I do? Well we may want to make sure we're looking at Jacobs last footprint first.
"But there is another mystery to solve here. Just as we noted the difference between prints taking on or off the parallel track, we see that no other prints appear near JEW’s. If S1 escorted JEW to a car, or anywhere for that matter, where are his prints? We can’t find them in the photos we have, which are photos that clearly show the area around JEW’s last impression. And S1’s prints should have taken in that location."
Where are S1's prints you ask like I do? Well we may want to make sure we're looking at Jacobs last footprint first.