UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #18

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Coach said:
Was it two or three weeks after Corrie went missing that the bin lorry was forensically checked and was this one or two different lorries? If Corrie was in the back of a bin lorry, how many people think that it was the result of a) him getting into a bin himself to sleep and being tipped into the lorry or b) a tragic accident involving a lorry reversing then Corrie being 'put' in a bin or c) something entirely different
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I would've said A, but I think someone would've spotted him so I'll say C


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Pooks101 said:
I'm a c. If anything had happened with the bin man (accidental reversing resulting in a dead or very injured body for example) I just don't know why he wouldn't have called an ambulance? How many of us would have gone to the lengths of hiding a body if it was a genuine accident, unless he just went into a blind panic?
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I agree, if the lorry had reversed into him in a tragic accident, the logical thing to do would have been to call for an ambulance and I can't think of any reason why someone would not do this. But could panic have set in, I remember the bin lorry tragedy in Glasgow when the driver ploughed into the pedestrians killing them. He had medical conditions that he had not declared (but should have). I am not saying this is the case here but I know there have been a number of accidents and when the inquiry has been held, it has evolved that some of the drivers knowingly with-held vital medical conditions from their employer and/or DVLA. I have also seen some cases where drivers have so many points on their licence they know one more conviction could see them being banned. Some accidents have involved drivers who have been over the drink drive limit (from the night before), there are all sorts of reasons why some drivers would be reluctant to call the police but surely if a tragic accident had occurred with a reverse, the sensible approach would have been to call for help. I remember a case where the driver was actually texting on the phone whilst reversing, another one was a driver who had actually had his HGV licence revoked but he did not inform his employer..
 
Coach said:
I think it applies anywhere that there could be any surrounding residential properties, regardless if the lorry is backing into the loading bay section 99 would still apply as the road will still be a restricted road because of the speed limit. I asked a friend of mine who has a haulage company and he said they definitely would not have been allowed to use the reversing siren between 2330 and 0700.
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We have always been told there are no residential flats above the hs buildings. Regarding the reversing alarm I don't know enough about the definition of road but you can notice double yellow lines which I would think mark the edge of the actual road with the area where we see the bins and often cars parked not actually being the road but a parking and loading area so I guess it is a grey area. Like everything in this case, why am I not surprised?
 
Pooks101 said:
I'm a c. If anything had happened with the bin man (accidental reversing resulting in a dead or very injured body for example) I just don't know why he wouldn't have called an ambulance? How many of us would have gone to the lengths of hiding a body if it was a genuine accident, unless he just went into a blind panic?


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Running with this theory a moment, the only reason I think someone would hide a body and not report it would be if they were drinking. For a bin lorry driver in particular, they start their shift very early. It doesn't seem beyond the realm of possibility that one might go out drinking then head to work.

Drink driving resulting in a death, you would be looking at a lengthy prison stay.
 
Scorpio1 said:
that's a terrible waste of money if it is true I dout it is as the family read every message,
That would amount to more then 10k 6 people on minimum wage over 5 weeks, just to read old FB messages,
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I'm thinking they probably wouldn't have people literally reading every message. It would be automated. There is software that can read for you that will pick out keywords based on filters you choose (it's how resumes get read these days - don't include the right keywords, and a human literally never sees your resume). I'd imagine you'd just need that handful of people checking it was working, checking the results, adjusting the filters they were using if needed etc. They're probably doing other tasks at the same time while they keep an eye on it, not just six minimum wage people literally doing nothing but reading FB messages 8 hours a day.
 
No offense but if the Police felt there was something within the comments on the FCFB then they could get the whole thing direct from FB and I'm sure they also have specialist software that looks for keywords.

Also who's to say they haven't had cyber crime watching and/or collating information from there since day one?
 
Shiressleuth said:
We have always been told there are no residential flats above the hs buildings. Regarding the reversing alarm I don't know enough about the definition of road but you can notice double yellow lines which I would think mark the edge of the actual road with the area where we see the bins and often cars parked not actually being the road but a parking and loading area so I guess it is a grey area. Like everything in this case, why am I not surprised?
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Re section 99 'restricted road' https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Built-up_area_(Highway_Code)
 
TheTruthWillOut said:
No offense but if the Police felt there was something within the comments on the FCFB then they could get the whole thing direct from FB and I'm sure they also have specialist software that looks for keywords.

Also who's to say they haven't had cyber crime watching and/or collating information from there since day one?
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http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/police_h...book_data_in_corrie_mckeague_search_1_4902617

I'm not sure what I think about this, is it right that the police should be expected to investigate the postings of randomers on facebook just because someone has put in a fancy format. There is no evidence that SM postings have any truth to them and a lot will be simply rumour or the suggestions of the ill informed. I hope the police aren't distracted by this if they don't feel it's worthwhile.

On an ironic note the most popular post has got to be "why hasn't the landfill been searched"
 
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The "why hasn't the landfill been searched" is a fair question but for me extremely confusing too.

Nicola has said the only piece of evidence they have (or have been told at least) are the phone pings ending in BM. To add to that Tony has described in detail the process the recycling bin lorry went through but crucially we've never been told where this bin lorry did this for some unknown reason. So my confusion here is why have the family insisted the landfill be searched from the beginning in another county when all logic says that 1, that bin lorry didn't go anywhere near a landfill in Cambridge and 2, if it had there would be CCTV and tachograph evidence at least and surely the Police would have searched at that point.

It is this apparent jump in logic that has me confused. Anyone care to explain?
 
TheTruthWillOut said:
@suzyjackson

The "why hasn't the landfill been searched" is a fair question but for me extremely confusing too.

Nicola has said the only piece of evidence they have (or have been told at least) are the phone pings ending in BM. To add to that Tony has described in detail the process the recycling bin lorry went through but crucially we've never been told where this bin lorry did this for some unknown reason. So my confusion here is why have the family insisted the landfill be searched from the beginning in another county when all logic says that 1, that bin lorry didn't go anywhere near a landfill in Cambridge and 2, if it had there would be CCTV and tachograph evidence at least and surely the Police would have searched at that point.

It is this apparent jump in logic that has me confused. Anyone care to explain?
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My understanding is, the family believe the phone might have ended up at Milton.

A Biffa lorry collected two general waste bins from the area early on the Monday morning and these probably did end up at Milton and that is the reason the police put a stop on more rubbish being dropped at that part of the site.

Unless they have something new, I would imagine they are getting around to it now so they can cross it off.


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I think I'm in the minority here in that I don't think C will be found in the landfill.
 
Blueazman74 said:
My understanding is, the family believe the phone might have ended up at Milton.

A Biffa lorry collected two general waste bins from the area early on the Monday morning and these probably did end up at Milton and that is the reason the police put a stop on more rubbish being dropped at that part of the site. Unless they have something new, I would imagine they are getting around to it now so they can cross it off.
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If they really thought the phone was at Milton, then why have they searched BM so much? It may be that the landfill is the last resort, or it may be based on information given to them, but if it is the latter is that information true?

I'd still like to know what the incident was that UT mentioned in his last update.
 
Officer Dibble said:
I think I'm in the minority here in that I don't think C will be found in the landfill.
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Not quite, I am with you on that one. Or at least, I am in regards the bin lorry theory, but if he is there, then I think that would have been by other means.
 
Officer Dibble said:
I think I'm in the minority here in that I don't think C will be found in the landfill.
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I don't think he will be found at the landfill either, I know that the police will pay for the search it's self but who will pay for the preparation work moving all the top soil and puting the acess roads in would cost a fortune if not more then the search it's self,
 
Blueazman74 said:
My understanding is, the family believe the phone might have ended up at Milton.

A Biffa lorry collected two general waste bins from the area early on the Monday morning and these probably did end up at Milton and that is the reason the police put a stop on more rubbish being dropped at that part of the site.

Unless they have something new, I would imagine they are getting around to it now so they can cross it off.


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Why would they care about if the phone ended up at Milton though? Surely Corrie would be the focus and he couldn't get past the processes if he went in that bin lorry?

Reallyodd said:
Not quite, I am with you on that one. Or at least, I am in regards the bin lorry theory, but if he is there, then I think that would have been by other means.
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Could you elaborate on other means?
 
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