GUILTY PA - Timothy Piazza, 19, Dies In Penn State Frat Hazing, 2 Feb 2017 *arrests*

[MAVLEY]

I agree. Absolutely disgusting and degrading. But I believe he was saying that there is no fatal harm involved in the elephant walk, which is gross, but better than the other activities that happen that can cause harm and fatalities.

 

[jjenny]

"Jim Piazza said the doctor told him his son would have survived if he'd been brought to the hospital sooner."

http://www.grandforksherald.com/new...-teen-killed-frat-hazing-was-treated-roadkill

I don't see how the doctor could know that for sure. Regardless, he'd obviously had a better chance of survival if he was brought to the hospital right after he fell.

 

[jjenny]

I agree. Absolutely disgusting and degrading. But I believe he was saying that there is no fatal harm involved in the elephant walk, which is gross, but better than the other activities that happen that can cause harm and fatalities.

Well, using that logic, one can claim there is no fatal harm involved in rape or molestation so it's better than other activities which can cause harm and fatalities. Just because someone doesn't die it doesn't make it o'key.

 

[NewMama]

I don't see how the doctor could know that for sure. Regardless, he'd obviously had a better chance of survival if he was brought to the hospital right after he fell.

From reading the articles it sounds like that initial fall is what caused serious internal bleeding. It was mentioned Timothy had a large visible bruise when brought back up the stairs. Just from the internal bleeding standpoint I can see how he could have been saved if not left to bleed out for 12 hours. I'm not sure how the head injuries played into the dr's statement.

 

[neesaki]

From reading the articles it sounds like that initial fall is what caused serious internal bleeding. It was mentioned Timothy had a large visible bruise when brought back up the stairs. Just from the internal bleeding standpoint I can see how he could have been saved if not left to bleed out for 12 hours. I'm not sure how the head injuries played into the dr's statement.

From what it sounds to me, his initial head injury was a concussion, then he sustained further injury after falling yet again. Then there was the injury to the spleen and other internal injuries, i.e., the creep that hit him in the gut ?! Seriously? :gaah: Then there was the acute alcohol poisoning on top of it. The poor guy was injured repeatedly over and over again, and yet no one bothered to get medical help for him?! He never had a chance with those psychopathic miscreants! The poor boy's last hours were a slow painful death filled with suffering and agony. There's absolutely NO excuse , NONE, NADA... It makes me sick to think about it. :tears:

 

[zencompass]

Dear Neesaki,

I feel the same way. That is why I am very glad as well that they are filing a lawsuit against the individuals who are all culpable of Tim's murder, the fraternity and Penn U.

May God hold that family close during these trials.

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[NewMama]

From what it sounds to me, his initial head injury was a concussion, then he sustained further injury after falling yet again. Then there was the injury to the spleen and other internal injuries, i.e., the creep that hit him in the gut ?! Seriously? :gaah: Then there was the acute alcohol poisoning on top of it. The poor guy was injured repeatedly over and over again, and yet no one bothered to get medical help for him?! He never had a chance with those psychopathic miscreants! The poor boy's last hours were a slow painful death filled with suffering and agony. There's absolutely NO excuse , NONE, NADA... It makes me sick to think about it. :tears:

The bruise appeared after the initial fall is why I suspected prolonged blood loss but it could have been the punch that ruptured his spleen. It's reported that 80% of his blood volume was found abdominal cavity due to his ruptured spleen. (That's from 2nd link at the bottom.)
It's just all so awful and I do believe he could have been saved. As a parent I would have asked that same question had Timothy been my child.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Penn-State-Timothy-Piazza-Death-Timeline-421899613.html

"11:24 p.m.: Piazza is carried upstairs by four fraternity members. His body appears limp and his eyes are closed. A bruise appears on his left abdomen. He's placed on the couch with others around him. A member appears to administer a sternum rub, but Piazza does not respond."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...g-final-hours-timothy-piazzas-life/312187001/

 

[mpnola]

Something more than a fall cause the ruptured spleen. That's my opinion.

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[Rocco]

I don't see how the doctor could know that for sure. Regardless, he'd obviously had a better chance of survival if he was brought to the hospital right after he fell.

The first injury he sustained was the the head injury from falling down the stairs head first. IIRC, the head injury was the stated cause of his death.



"Delayed treatment or failure to reduce intracranial pressure can cause temporary brain damage, permanent brain damage, long-term coma, or even death.

The sooner you seek treatment to reduce pressure on your brain, the better the outcome."

http://www.healthline.com/health/increased-intracranial-pressure#prevention6

The pressure in his head continued to build up for 12 hours because no one called for help. Not sure how anyone could doubt what the doctor has said.

 

[jjenny]

The first injury he sustained was the the head injury from falling down the stairs head first. IIRC, the head injury was the stated cause of his death.



"Delayed treatment or failure to reduce intracranial pressure can cause temporary brain damage, permanent brain damage, long-term coma, or even death.

The sooner you seek treatment to reduce pressure on your brain, the better the outcome."

http://www.healthline.com/health/increased-intracranial-pressure#prevention6

The pressure in his head continued to build up for 12 hours because no one called for help. Not sure how anyone could doubt what the doctor has said.

Obviously I agree that the sooner one seeks help for a head injury the better. But with a head injury, even people who got help quickly could still die (which there are lots of examples of). Head injuries are tricky.
Obviously, he'd have a much better chance of survival if he got help quickly.

 

[NewMama]

I agree. At least he would have had a chance. I asked my husband if he's seen this case on the news and he remembered the headline. I read him Timothy's last hours from several articles. We talked for at least an hour about him and his family. How his father was so proud of him and now he has to live knowing Timothy's final hours. Raising awareness and making sure Timothy's death wasn't in vain might be the only thing thing keeping one foot in front of the other.

 

[zencompass]

Quote by Mpnola: Something more than a fall caused the ruptured spleen. That's my opinion.

In my opinion, until someone tells the truth (and I am hoping and praying one of them will) of what went on in the basement for that one hour and ten minutes that the Grand Jury emphasized, we will not know what caused some injuries.

The other pledges didn't appear to be around the basement stairs in the kitchen either time when Tim fell down the basement stairs. I understand that the cameras didn't pick up some areas in the kitchen near the stairs. There were two separate groups of individuals who carried Tim up the stairs each time.

During the twelve hours where Tim was in extreme distress, falling and hitting his head on stone stairs, etc. and when he lay dying, I don't need to judge anyone to know that actions and inactions produce end results. The end result was Tim's death.

I have so many questions surrounding that night and morning.
My main question is why Tim was the only pledge downstairs?
Where were the others? Had they phoned friends to pick them up?
If so, why didn't someone pick up Tim's phone and contact his brother or his girlfriend to come and get him?
He would be alive today had that happened.

The only cameras in the area where they parked their cars were only on their own surveillance tapes.
Why didn't any one of them, including Tim Bream, have driven Tim anywhere and dropped him off without being seen
on Penn State surveillance. Tim would be alive today.

And, of course, as you all have mentioned, all any single one of them had to do was to go into another room and
dial 911 or someone, anyone, and Tim would be alive today. Why didn't one of them make the call?

Which head injury, of the many Tim sustained that night and morning caused the worst damage?

This whole scenario is puzzling and frightening at the same time. None of it makes sense to me.

I have a strong belief that some individuals, or at least one, will eventually tell the truth about why this happened to Tim.

I always have hope, just like you all do.

Your posts are all so filled with compassion and I do feel honored to be part of this thread. Thank you.

 

[frisson]

I agree. Absolutely disgusting and degrading. But I believe he was saying that there is no fatal harm involved in the elephant walk, which is gross, but better than the other activities that happen that can cause harm and fatalities.

Sorry. I disagree. Just bc someone doesn't die doesn't make things ok. That is abuse. Plain. "well, no one died so it is ok to humiliate and abuse them." NOPE

 

[Maroon10]

http://time.com/4784875/fraternities-timothy-piazza/

"In 1863, the third president of Amherst asked his fellow college presidents what they thought of this new thing called a “fraternity.” The overwhelming consensus was alarm. They described fraternities as a “plague” and “un-American.” They “sow dissensions and produce factions,” said one president. “They have led to greater unkindness and ill feeling than almost anything else in college,” said a second. “Nothing but evil results,” said another."

 

[neesaki]

http://time.com/4784875/fraternities-timothy-piazza/

"In 1863, the third president of Amherst asked his fellow college presidents what they thought of this new thing called a “fraternity.” The overwhelming consensus was alarm. They described fraternities as a “plague” and “un-American.” They “sow dissensions and produce factions,” said one president. “They have led to greater unkindness and ill feeling than almost anything else in college,” said a second. “Nothing but evil results,” said another."

So inexcusable, and so heartbreaking for his poor parents. Those people "tortured" their son, it was "premeditated".

And I agree one hundred percent with the author, Ms. Wade.

 

[NewMama]

http://time.com/4784875/fraternities-timothy-piazza/

"In 1863, the third president of Amherst asked his fellow college presidents what they thought of this new thing called a “fraternity.” The overwhelming consensus was alarm. They described fraternities as a “plague” and “un-American.” They “sow dissensions and produce factions,” said one president. “They have led to greater unkindness and ill feeling than almost anything else in college,” said a second. “Nothing but evil results,” said another."

Great article. Thank you for posting!

 

[zencompass]

So inexcusable, and so heartbreaking for his poor parents. Those people "tortured" their son, it was "premeditated".

And I agree one hundred percent with the author, Ms. Wade.

Dear Neesaki,

Great research, as usual.

What a solid article. I agree completely with Ms. Wade. Her article is clear and historically correct.

 

[neesaki]

I just heard on Fox News there's some kind of update on this case. Haven't heard what it is yet. :bump:

 

[MaryG12]

http://time.com/4784875/fraternities-timothy-piazza/

"In 1863, the third president of Amherst asked his fellow college presidents what they thought of this new thing called a “fraternity.” The overwhelming consensus was alarm. They described fraternities as a “plague” and “un-American.” They “sow dissensions and produce factions,” said one president. “They have led to greater unkindness and ill feeling than almost anything else in college,” said a second. “Nothing but evil results,” said another."

Thank you for that most excellent article, it really is high time that fraternities and sororities were removed from university campuses.

While on the subject of articles written on this, does anyone know if there has ever been a study done on high-level fraternity activity in a university, and correlating rising tuition rates?

This is something I would be very interested in reading about if such a study was ever done.

 

[Richrd]

"The Fatal-Fraternity Felony-Eight"

Fraternity Death Defendants - for Felony-Grade
Aggravated Assault+ :: Center County - 2 Feb 2017

Monday, June 12th:

http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...oked-like-a-corpse-after-hazing-20170612.html
&
http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state-frat-surveillance-video-night-pledges-fall/story?id=47981660
&
http://wtop.com/education/2017/06/video-expected-to-be-shown-in-penn-state-pledges-death-case/


18 § 2702 §§ A1:: F1 - Aggravated Assault
18 § 2504 §§ A :: M1 - Involuntary Manslaughter
18 § 2701 §§ A1 :: M2 - Simple Assault
18 § 2705 :: M2 - Recklessly Endangering
18 § 6310.1 §§ A :: M3 - Furnish Liquor (to under age 21)
24 § 5353 :: M3 - Hazing

1)) Michael Bonatucci :: W/M/19 :: White / Male / 19 Y/O
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2)) Daniel Casey :: W/M/19
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3)) Gary Angelo Dibileo II :: W/M/21
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4)) Nicholas Joseph Kubera :: W/M/19
https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/MDJReport.ashx?docketNumber=MJ-49101-CR-0000177-2017:

5)) Jonah D. Neuman :: W/M/19
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6)) Joseph Michael Sala :: W/M/19
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7)) Luke Koster Visser :: W/M/19
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8)) Brendan Patrick Young :: W/M/21
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H1 = Heinous of 1st Degree; H2
F1 = Felony of 1st Degree; F2; F3
M1 = Misdemeanor of 1st Degree; M2; M3
S = Summary

Plus, Ten Others Have-Been Charged with
NON-Felony, Misdemeanor-Grade OffenseS.