NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #2

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dizzychick said:
If our country banned semi-automatic or the attachments to make a gun automatic I would be fine with that. Why does anyone other than the military need a machine gun ? And to top this off I just see the stocks for gun companies are going up so I guess even more freaks are buying these type weapons, God Help Us!
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The stock always goes up after shootings because of the conspiracy theorists. They were out there within minutes of this happening, online, saying the gov't will use this as a chance to grab everyone's guns. Some of the crazy rationalizations out there is just mind boggling. If you think the bump stock is bad, look up the "3MR" trigger switch. No holding a bump stock with two hands. They both should most definitely be off the market, imo.
 
dizzychick said:
Fox news is saying he was on Diazapam but that is like xanax I thought? That is a calming drug. That was my 1st thought when this guy was identified I wondered if he was on some meds that caused him to go off the wall
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It’s Valium and yes it’s an anti anxiety medication and can also be used for muscle spasms.
 
Yellow Rose said:
I personally believe he stopped to let some gunsmoke clear. It will also burn your eyes badly
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Agree, that was one of my theories too, but that means he didn't take his safety goggles. He had to have tried the firearms out with the bump stocks, prior to this and realized the amount of heat, and smoke, they would make, not to mention flying brass. If he didn't take goggles, his error saved lives. I'm kinda leaning toward the smoke detector went off and he was trying to cover it or knock it off the wall, too.
 
rsd1200 said:
The stock always goes up after shootings because of the conspiracy theorists. They were out there within minutes of this happened, online, saying the gov't will use this as a chance to grab everyone's guns. Some of the crazy rationalizations out there is just mind boggling. If you think the bump stock is bad, look up the "3MR" trigger switch. No holding a bump stock with two hands. They both should most definitely be off the market, imo.
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There are so many of things like this out there I would think we are pretty past the point of having any control any longer

Black market for everything with the advent of internet has pretty well , I think, been created .
 
bluesneakers said:
Disgusting and shameful and some words I can't use here.
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Well ty my dear - I had moments of concern that I was losing my marbles.............

good grief

the staffer should moved out of the graphics area..........................something is loose and in is his or her marbles not mine!!
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I understand and at one time I thought 64 was old too and they would be too old to do the things they use to do. That is really not the case though. Many even much older than SP are still doing amazing things that takes strength and stamina. I believe why my husband is so healthy and fit is he has never abused drugs or alcohol in his life and has never even had to take any kind of meds and he is constantly active. He just takes his vitamins everyday but he can work rings around our grandsons who are in their teens and 20s. They know there is no way they can keep up with their Papa. :D

Unfortunately age does not immune anyone from becoming a mass murderer. I think SP was very capable in doing this all by himself.

I certainly hope you are wrong and will live a very long life.:)
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I think the surprise at his age isn't so much about physical strength as it is about wisdom and impulse. I expect a man that age not to have the desire to destroy and lash out at innocent people.

Yes, there are exceptions over history, I'm sure.

But the idea that comes to mind in mass murders like this is a teen or young-adult male, impulsive, immature, with signs that he was full of rage or frustration.

jmopinion
 
Portrait emerging of Las Vegas shooter as man 'descending into madness'

In the months before his deadly rampage, 64-year old Stephen Paddock was a man “descending into madness,” according to a person briefed on new findings in the investigation.

New details are emerging, investigators say, that suggest Paddock’s mental state was deteriorating before the shooting: significant weight loss, an increasingly slovenly physical appearance and obsession with his girlfriend’s ex-husband.

[....]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/portrait-e...oter-man-descending-madness/story?id=50275427
 
That 30 minute plus interview the brother gave, rambling about how wealthy they were and how $100K isn't that much money... I get a feeling he is scared crazy that the rug is about to be pulled out from under him.
 
I grew up in a small town. We had a multimillionaire who truly looked homeless. Refused to be on the grid so the rumor went. Wouldn't register to vote. Didn't have a driver's license, etc. It was humorous to us locals because visitors to the town would often give him cash because they thought he was in despair. But I digress.

This article breaks my heart for her. I truly hope she was clueless. Some simple statements here that tie back to an earlier theory of a "submissive" personality. Sorry I can't find the post to give that person credit for that thought. Smells of a
sociopathic hold as well. Also mentions he maintained $1.5 million as his gambling play money. Wowza.

"Le Fevre said that Danley, a Catholic devoted to her family, was “very different” than Paddock, a methodical casino gambler who used algorithms and spreadsheets.

"She's not very confident,” Le Fevre said. “She had a little Subaru Forester and she would go three blocks out of her way so she didn't have to turn left or cross a big intersection."

"I wouldn't say [their relationship] was lovey dovey," he speculated. "It always seemed to be to be one of convenience."

Le Fevre said Paddock shared with him how he was a success at gambling, saying he would operate with "a pool of money, $1.5 million."

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/l...lfriend-marilou-danley-away-spare-her-n807341


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Inthedetails said:
I think the surprise at his age isn't so much about physical strength as it is about wisdom and impulse. I expect a man that age not to have the desire to destroy and lash out at innocent people.

Yes, there are exceptions over history, I'm sure.

But the idea that comes to mind in mass murders like this is a teen or young-adult male, impulsive, immature, with signs that he was full of rage or frustration.

jmopinion
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I think it's because he's so much older than the typical mass shooter. Men his age are murderers or family annihilators often enough so I don't think it's about them having more wisdom. It's just his advanced age puts him in a unique spot for this specific crime. Off the top of my head the oldest mass shooter I could think of was John Allen Muhammad who was 41 during the Beltway sniper attacks.


These are the oldest mass shooters in U.S. history

William D. Baker, 66
Kurt Meyers, 64.
Carl Drega, 62.
James Hodgkinson, 66.
 
You don't say?

"In the months before his deadly rampage, 64-year old Stephen Paddock was a man “descending into madness,” according to a person briefed on new findings in the investigation.

New details are emerging, investigators say, that suggest Paddock’s mental state was deteriorating before the shooting: significant weight loss, an increasingly slovenly physical appearance and obsession with his girlfriend’s ex-husband."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/portrait-e...oter-man-descending-madness/story?id=50275427
 
CARIIS said:
There are so many of things like this out there I would think we are pretty past the point of having any control any longer

Black market for everything with the advent of internet has pretty well , I think, been created .
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Oh yeah, as far as firearms, and turning semis into autos, you don't really need a bump stock or a 3mr, there's instructions on YouTube, just a search away. If firearms were banned completely and he'd wanted to do this, he could have done it. He could have flown either of his aircraft straight down into that crowd and likely killed even more people. I'm honestly surprised he didn't do that after learning he had two aircraft.
 
bluesneakers said:
That's what I think of the bumper on the video. It's shameful and disgusting. And :censored:
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"Great Day for America. Sad day for Las Vegas." Is this the bumper? wth does that mean? very weird lacks empathy.
 
Isabelle said:
I understand a lot of money can be made in real estate, but where did the seed money come from. We are not talking salary paid by IRS or USPS. My career was an RN and my husband and Attorney and salaries combined under $200K a year. Really? Something very fishy about this and it will come out before too long.
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He could have been an expert in money laundering for cartels, drug kingpins, etc. Real estate investments and casino gambling are very common ways to launder money.

The Feds and state AG had been cracking down on money laundering in Vegas in the last few years. Could be he was close to getting busted, knew he would end up in prison and decided to go out on his own terms. The people for whom he laundered money could have seen him becoming a liability due to Fed investigations. He would know that they might kill him to keep him from talking to the Feds. Either way, if this is what he was doing, he might have realized his life was over.

The Fed busts of Las Vegas casinos and gamblers involved in money laundering began about 3 yrs ago.

https://calvinayre.com/2013/08/28/casino/las-vegas-sands-fined-47m-dodgy-money-transfers/

It would take them a while to arrest people and ferret out information about all the other players, bosses, etc. Paddock purchased over 30 assault weapons in the last year, so something began back then. He also quickly moved out of Reno at that time. My online research is turning up more information about money laundering in Reno, so I'll save that for another post.

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/2016/...l-investigation-into-nugget-settled/82677746/

But, yeah, he was feeling the heat for something beginning a year ago. Being involved in money laundering during a Fed crackdown could make his life pretty risky, hence him feeling the need for lots of guns, ammo and explosives. If you're a money launderer, your bosses likely have high quotas for the amount of funds you need to launder for them. If casinos get busted or are under the scope of the IRS, the money launderer has to search around to find new places and schemes to launder money. Makes the job much more difficult and risky. Organized crime bosses are not reluctant to dispose of a money launderer who is at risk of becoming a liability due to LE investigation and risky behavior.

Will check out and post more on money laundering in Reno. It looks pretty extensive and big. Some is tax haven stuff, some is true money laundering.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-favorite-new-tax-haven-is-the-united-states
 
I put a search in for Steven Paddock real estate investments and a company bearing the same last name out of Oregon came up.
 
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