UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #22

[Whirring]

Thinking today of Corrie's beautiful daughter Ellie, April, Nicola, Darroch, Makeyan, Martin, Trisha, his grandparents, Uncle Tony, his friends and all who love him. Most of all I'm thinking about Corrie and hoping and praying he's safe and well and will return home soon. Merry Christmas. x

 

[jessie]

Also thoughts and strength to everyone with missing or lost relatives and friends.
Especially at this time, but every day of no news must be so hard to bear. :rose:

 

[Whirring]

Also thoughts and strength to everyone with missing or lost relatives and friends.
Especially at this time, but every day of no news must be so hard to bear. :rose:

Absolutely. It's genuinely heartbreaking how many people seem to just disappear. They must be somewhere, but not knowing where must be unbearable. My thoughts and prayers are with all who love them.

I believe very strongly that we need to do more in the UK for those missing. We should have a national agency to look for missing people as it is clear that smaller police forces who may have little experience in looking for the missing, may not always provide the quality of skills necessary. When evidence is scarce, a defined protocol and relevant experience could make all the difference. We must never forget that the vast majority of the missing want to be found. They deserve the very best efforts to find them. One day it could be one of us.

 

[Shiressleuth]

My thoughts are with Corrie's family and friends and I hope that the new year brings new leads and information.

 

[Miss_French]

Absolutely. It's genuinely heartbreaking how many people seem to just disappear. They must be somewhere, but not knowing where must be unbearable. My thoughts and prayers are with all who love them.

I believe very strongly that we need to do more in the UK for those missing. We should have a national agency to look for missing people as it is clear that smaller police forces who may have little experience in looking for the missing, may not always provide the quality of skills necessary. When evidence is scarce, a defined protocol and relevant experience could make all the difference. We must never forget that the vast majority of the missing want to be found. They deserve the very best efforts to find them. One day it could be one of us.

There is the Missing Persons Bureau; the staff don't specifically look for missing people, but they do provide a variety of resources to the public and police.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

There is the Missing Persons Bureau; the staff don't specifically look for missing people, but they do provide a variety of resources to the public and police.

Missing People lists them all though there are anomalies, Corrie wasn’t listed on there for quite a long time.

http://missingpeople.org.uk/help-us...jform[since]=&jform[agerange]=&jform[gender]=

Around 250,000 people are reported missing in the U.K. each year, of these about 90% are found within 48 hours, and 99% within a year. Still leaves over 2000 people missing which I find quite shocking, though looking at the list of long term missing there are an awful lot of non British people which perhaps can be attributed to visa issues or similar.

 

[Miss_French]

Missing People lists them all though there are anomalies, Corrie wasn’t listed on there for quite a long time.

http://missingpeople.org.uk/help-us...jform[since]=&jform[agerange]=&jform[gender]=

Around 250,000 people are reported missing in the U.K. each year, of these about 90% are found within 48 hours, and 99% within a year. Still leaves over 2000 people missing which I find quite shocking, though looking at the list of long term missing there are an awful lot of non British people which perhaps can be attributed to visa issues or similar.

Different organisations. The Bureau is part of the National Crime Agency:

http://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov....pecialist-capabilities/missing-persons-bureau

 

[jessie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-42394377

Corrie Mckeague search boosts Suffolk charity numbers

A volunteer rescue group which has been involved in the search for missing airman Corrie Mckeague has seen its membership triple.

Suffolk Lowland Search and Rescue (SULSAR) had 25 active team members 18 months ago before the RAF gunner vanished on 24 September 2016.

The charity said it now has 75 active members and has had to cap its membership at 100.

Chairman Andy King said the charity has "changed dramatically".

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-42394377

Corrie Mckeague search boosts Suffolk charity numbers

A volunteer rescue group which has been involved in the search for missing airman Corrie Mckeague has seen its membership triple.

Suffolk Lowland Search and Rescue (SULSAR) had 25 active team members 18 months ago before the RAF gunner vanished on 24 September 2016.

The charity said it now has 75 active members and has had to cap its membership at 100.

Chairman Andy King said the charity has "changed dramatically".

Hope everyone has had/is having a great Christmas.

This article and its timing is most odd to me, Jessie. Maybe it is just me but seems in poor taste to brag about how much extra money and volunteers you have attracted on the back of a man that has yet to be found?

Also I believe at one point Cambridgeshire, Norfolk and Essex equivalents of SULSAR have all helped in trying to locate Corrie and I don't see any mention of them or raising of funds for them or how well or not they are doing today. Probably just me being far too suspicious these days but have said before I have had a funny gut feeling about the SULSAR situation and am now wondering again reading this odd article. Can't explain why I have this funny feeling, just do!?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Maybe it is just me but seems in poor taste to brag about how much extra money and volunteers you have attracted on the back of a man that has yet to be found?

I can't see anything in that article that I'd describe as bragging. Corrie's case has brought the charity and its work to public attention and it's attracting much greater support because of it. Isn't that what one would expect?

 

[Cherwell]

It's just a local news story, surely? And one that has the effect of keeping Corrie's name in the news.

 

[jessie]

Hope everyone has had/is having a great Christmas.

This article and its timing is most odd to me, Jessie. Maybe it is just me but seems in poor taste to brag about how much extra money and volunteers you have attracted on the back of a man that has yet to be found?

Also I believe at one point Cambridgeshire, Norfolk and Essex equivalents of SULSAR have all helped in trying to locate Corrie

I think with it being Xmas and a charity, no harm meant in the article. When I read it I felt glad that this has raised awareness of SULSAR and other voluntary search teams.

I hope search/rescue teams in other areas have been helped similarly - sometimes it takes such a publicised occurrence to educate and inform the general public of these groups.

They are needed, and if I was younger, fitter and with the ability I would willingly join such a team.

I've no idea who originated this article, but as Cherwell posts, it is keeping Corrie's name in the news too.

 

[Cherwell]

I felt glad that this has raised awareness of SULSAR and other voluntary search teams.
I hope search/rescue teams in other areas have been helped similarly - sometimes it takes such a publicised occurrence to educate and inform the general public of these groups.

Absolutely right. The search for April Jones had a similar effect.

 

[Whirring]

It always comes back to the horseshow, but he only evidence we have that Corrie entered the horseshoe is CCTV footage.

No-one walking through the horseshoe either before Corrie or for several hours afterwards has said that they saw Corrie.

The four vehicles entering the horseshoe were checked and are presumably not of interest.

Countless people, many of whom also featured on CCTV have been interviewed and again, with the very limited information we have, it seems they aren't of interest.

We have seen limited CCTV footage and noted how it covers several hours in various parts of BSE.

The horseshoe area has been thoroughly searched with SULSAR.

The Biffa lorry, landfill and a variety of other places linked to the rubbish collected have been searched.

SP looked into the old tunnels under the horseshoe area and searched buildings for possible access points. The known access point was looked at (described as a steel door)and it apparently doesn't look as though it's been open for years. (From the 1 year anniversary video Nicola made).

This case, for want of a better word is trapped in three locations:

The horseshoe
Barton Mills
The landfill site

But no evidence of Corrie has been found in any of these places.

I wonder if somehow Corrie left the horseshoe virtually immediately. The potential witnesses didn't see Corrie because he wasn't there. There's been nothing found in the local buildings, in the Biffa lorry, or at the landfill cells searched because he wasn't in any of these places.

As for the phone, maybe C did quickly go to the loo. Perhaps his phone got dirty so he chucked it in the bin. Maybe he tried to make a call but got confused and mistakingly thought it had broken and chucked it in a bin. We know C had a cheap phone as he was prone to losing them. (According to Nicola, I've read it in a few places ages ago). Alternatively he may have put his phone on the ground and forgotten about it and someone (maybe a bit iffy) later found it, swapped the sim card in his/her own phone and so Corrie's sim left the horseshoe but not the phone? We don't know (do we?) whether other people actually went into the area of the horseshoe C entered.

I don't know how many people walked through the horseshoe in say a five or so minute period immediately after C entered the horseshoe. If C was defecating he may have felt particularly vulnerable. If people did pass through , C who I still worry may have had a head injury, or at least a sore head, may have decided to look elsewhere for a safe place to lie down for a bit. He may have had a headache, maybe nausea and was sobering up and getting cold.

I've mentioned before my fear that C may have ended up in the bins around the corner on Lower Brackland Street. I don't know when they were collected but they were collected before SP could check them, but not that weekend as it is rubbish from flats, and the council surely won't collect them over the weekend. I sadly think C may have died in one of these bins, though again this would mean he wasn't seen at any point, which is truly shocking.


I hope measures are put in place to ensure human bodies cannot travel through the refuse procedure undiscovered. Likewise Biffa and similar organisations need to put cameras in every refuse truck and businesses MUST lock their bins to prevent people climbing into them.

 

[JustJo]

This news article came up on my FB newsfeed. It is local to me. Even though hardly any information has been released, it may be similar to Corrie's case. https://www.sunderlandecho.com/our-...nd-man-found-dead-at-recycling-site-1-8930492

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[Whirring]

This news article came up on my FB newsfeed. It is local to me. Even though hardly any information has been released, it may be similar to Corrie's case. https://www.sunderlandecho.com/our-...nd-man-found-dead-at-recycling-site-1-8930492

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I'd been following this after reading he was missing on the Find Corrie Facebook page. It's so sad. Poor man and his family.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Around 250,000 people are reported missing in the U.K. each year, of these about 90% are found within 48 hours, and 99% within a year. Still leaves over 2000 people missing which I find quite shocking, though looking at the list of long term missing there are an awful lot of non British people which perhaps can be attributed to visa issues or similar.

There's a known problem with unaccompanied minor migrants disappearing from care which is believed to be related to adult fellow nationals luring them away for sex work and other forms of forced labour. I believe it's very common with Vietnamese children - the boys end up doing the grunt work on weed farms and the girls end up in prostitution or, if they are very lucky, in nail bars which are a front for laundering of drugs money.

 

[easynic150]

It always comes back to the horseshow, but he only evidence we have that Corrie entered the horseshoe is CCTV footage.

No-one walking through the horseshoe either before Corrie or for several hours afterwards has said that they saw Corrie.

The four vehicles entering the horseshoe were checked and are presumably not of interest.

Countless people, many of whom also featured on CCTV have been interviewed and again, with the very limited information we have, it seems they aren't of interest.

We have seen limited CCTV footage and noted how it covers several hours in various parts of BSE.

The horseshoe area has been thoroughly searched with SULSAR.

The Biffa lorry, landfill and a variety of other places linked to the rubbish collected have been searched.

SP looked into the old tunnels under the horseshoe area and searched buildings for possible access points. The known access point was looked at (described as a steel door)and it apparently doesn't look as though it's been open for years. (From the 1 year anniversary video Nicola made).

This case, for want of a better word is trapped in three locations:

The horseshoe
Barton Mills
The landfill site

But no evidence of Corrie has been found in any of these places.

I wonder if somehow Corrie left the horseshoe virtually immediately. The potential witnesses didn't see Corrie because he wasn't there. There's been nothing found in the local buildings, in the Biffa lorry, or at the landfill cells searched because he wasn't in any of these places.

As for the phone, maybe C did quickly go to the loo. Perhaps his phone got dirty so he chucked it in the bin. Maybe he tried to make a call but got confused and mistakingly thought it had broken and chucked it in a bin. We know C had a cheap phone as he was prone to losing them. (According to Nicola, I've read it in a few places ages ago). Alternatively he may have put his phone on the ground and forgotten about it and someone (maybe a bit iffy) later found it, swapped the sim card in his/her own phone and so Corrie's sim left the horseshoe but not the phone? We don't know (do we?) whether other people actually went into the area of the horseshoe C entered.

I don't know how many people walked through the horseshoe in say a five or so minute period immediately after C entered the horseshoe. If C was defecating he may have felt particularly vulnerable. If people did pass through , C who I still worry may have had a head injury, or at least a sore head, may have decided to look elsewhere for a safe place to lie down for a bit. He may have had a headache, maybe nausea and was sobering up and getting cold.

I've mentioned before my fear that C may have ended up in the bins around the corner on Lower Brackland Street. I don't know when they were collected but they were collected before SP could check them, but not that weekend as it is rubbish from flats, and the council surely won't collect them over the weekend. I sadly think C may have died in one of these bins, though again this would mean he wasn't seen at any point, which is truly shocking.


I hope measures are put in place to ensure human bodies cannot travel through the refuse procedure undiscovered. Likewise Biffa and similar organisations need to put cameras in every refuse truck and businesses MUST lock their bins to prevent people climbing into them.

If he was in the bins on Lower Brackland Street, would he be in a different cell at the landfill?


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[JustJo]

I'd been following this after reading he was missing on the Find Corrie Facebook page. It's so sad. Poor man and his family.

Yes it's very sad It would be interesting to know how they found him so quickly compared to the mess that is the search for Corrie.

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[CoverMeCagney]

There's a known problem with unaccompanied minor migrants disappearing from care which is believed to be related to adult fellow nationals luring them away for sex work and other forms of forced labour. I believe it's very common with Vietnamese children - the boys end up doing the grunt work on weed farms and the girls end up in prostitution or, if they are very lucky, in nail bars which are a front for laundering of drugs money.

That sounds about right, a lot of the names on the list are typically Vietnamese. How awful.