why was she strolling if she was in a panic to find her and wouldn't she have already had a rough idea how long it would take
Good question. I keep hearing from her how they searched endlessly (she and dad), and never stopped and pounded the pavement. But a meander? Dr. Phil made a huge point of getting her to describe hat casual stroll.
From the video transcript posted upthread:
50:53 LINDSAY FAIRLEY When Karlie was picked up by stepmom, Karlie was scared to get in her car and said she was scared she was going to kill her.One point Karlie reached to the front seat and grabbed the steering wheel.
Why was Karlie in the back seat?
There is
no data to support overdose/death related to any of these drugs put out as possibilities so far:
Marijuana (THC)
Marijuana Overdose: Is It Even Possible to Die from Cannabis?
Why overdose may be the wrong word when it comes to cannabis | CBC News
Of note is the potency and effects of marijuana edibles, as you can take in a very high dose of thc versus smoking over a short period of time. This can easily make you sick or feel like you're going to die while not being caused by real physical toxicity(I've had this experience).
LSD
The way LSD interacts with the body makes it extremely unlikely to die as a direct result and there is no known overdose or toxicity level (you might jump off a cliff while hallucinating, but it is the fall that kills you)
https://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/LSD_Facts_Sheet.pdf
https://maps.org/research-archive/w3pb/2008/2008_Passie_23067_1.pdf
Other potential psychedelics like shrooms, MDMA or its derivatives also have no overdose evidence.
I personally conclude from this that she did not die of an overdose if she indeed was under the influence of one of these, or if she did, that she was on meth, K2 or bath salts. I can't see her doing these when marijuana is readily available. If she s dead, it is because she was killed IMO.
Really great points. To me her behavior sounds like someone who ingested or smoked waaay too much pot and is exhibiting paranoia and mild hallucinations, which can happen. Like you I have experienced it.
However, whether to much pot or hallucinogen you don't OD from that.
You can OD from heroin though. A dear friend of mine did OD a few times. He lived behind me and then with me at various times and I remember him coming over and saying. "I'm scared I think I'm going to die." (He eventually did die in ny house, ironically while detoxing). But there's no paranoia or hallucination with that.
I wonder about MDMA/Molly. I'm not that familiar. I know some kids die from dehydration or too much water.
It doesn't sound like what happens with too much meth either. That would be rapid heart rate. Super pale. Shock. Heart pain. Racing pulse.
No one is lying down with that or eating salad.
Of course if a person has an underlying medical condition like a heart issue, anything can trigger a sudden episode maybe? So a person could get super high and maybe die because they get scared or whatever and their heart can't take it because there's a defect maybe?
I don't know.
Something in my gut tells me these parents were very angry about her lying and getting high. I have the instinct that they've used or do use and some people who do so can react super harshly to that behavior in their kids for some reason.
It's kind of like, "See, I may be an alcoholic or drug user but don't tell ME I'm a bad parent! I KNOW how to discipline MY kids." And hen they punish them harshly to tu to prove that their own failings don't make them a bad parent.
I don't know how to explain it. It's like those sort of crummy parents in the store or restaurant who make a big, loud show of "parenting" their kids because they want everyone to think they're great parents. And it's always horrible. "What did I tell you Dylan Lee! Get your butt over here!"
I'm not explaining well. Sometimes people with personal faults are the harshest with their own kids. It's like they feel they have to prove they're not crummy.
In any event, there were several things that indicated to me that the parents were very angry with Karlie. One, how the SM pointedly stated "Karlie LIED" about going to a game. She practically sneered that word. To me it showed an antipathy about Karlie. Negative feelings toward her step daughter.
For an admitted liar herself, she seemed to really relish calling her step daughter out, IMO and was very offended by the lie.
Two, the parents discussed how pot smoking had become an issue with Karlie and she was undergoing counseling or some kind of school discipline because of it. So this wasn't a random or one time thing.
Three, Karlie reportedly sat in the back seat when her SM picked her up and expressed fear that her step mom would "kill" her.
Four, according to people who had heard t, Karlie repeatedly apologizes in the tape.
Five, IIRC, (and correct me if I'm wrong), dad said at some point that during the evening, Karlie was standing in a corner either saying she was sorry or saying she was scared of dad and SM.
Six, the SM secretly recorded Karlie to "show" her how she had been acting. I feel like she was gathering evidence to punish her. It's a theory and opinion only.
Seven, while the SM felt the incident was serious enough to want to record it in some fashion, she didn't take Karlie to the ER. She wanted to handle this herself.
Eight, the lies, changed stories, duper's delight, laughing and giggling and nonchalance of this couple about the disappearance of the kid they had custody of, is disturbing and makes no sense. Unless they were super angry, and something happened.
The theory that she was kicked out and something happened is a good one to me. It would explain a lot and match up with what we know.
