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It's totally off topic, won't I get in trouble here if I do?Do you have a link to it?
It's totally off topic, won't I get in trouble here if I do?Do you have a link to it?
Being that FW's lawyer said his client walked as close to The Cross as possible, there may have been conditions of any trust from either great grandparent that said the parents of any children had to be married? FW sure didn't sound or look convincing when she blurted out that she considered JW and HR married. JMOI have wondered this as well. I'm wondering if there was a dynasty trust involved that provided that g grandchildren of FW would hit the jackpot?
It's interesting that G4 had custody of his child, and it's interesting the W's surveillance of the R's began when HR's relationship went south and it heated up after HR became pregnant by another man.
JMO, I think JW did the math and he knew that KR wasn't his child and I think he realized that HR would end up with another man. Not him. I think the W's realized the W money SW would one day inherit would not stay in the W family unless JW could get custody and control of SW. HR and her family were not letting him have his way.
All JMO
Being that FW's lawyer said his client walked as close to The Cross as possible, there may have been conditions of any trust from either great grandparent that said the parents of any children had to be married? FW sure didn't sound or look convincing when she blurted out that she considered JW and HR married. JMO
No. You can change the terms of your trust as long as your competent. But it's after you pass away that it would be impossible for someone to change the trust without strong legal rights to do so.
Say Jake had money and leaves a trust to his daughter before he is arrested, then he gets convicted. The victims could NOT go after his daughter's trust.
However, if you get notice your being sued you cannot move, transfere, and hide your money and assets, then it's too late.
What if SW was in FW's husband trust?
I am just trying to figure out if they needed SW for money somehow.
Ohio law does not recognize a dynasty trust. Perhaps, you are thinking of a irrevocable trust.
An irrevocable can be changed after the death by certain conditions. The trust protector has
the power to modify a trust.
........My 2 Cents Only...........
First off, I believe that any trusts that may or may not have been set up when Bob was alive are now under the complete control of Fred. Fred inherited everything is my opinon. I think Fred and Bob owned everything together and now Fred owns it all.
Jake MAY have been getting Social Security benefits for S, but not enough to commit murder for. I do not believe any of what happened on April 22nd 2016 had anything to do with getting S's money and inheritance.
A family member stated that the family did not even know (I would have to find the link but I did read this) if Chris Senior's property would be forfeited as a drug forfiture, or given back to the family.
The 4 Rhoden grandchildren of Dana and Chris are their sole heirs and any and all of Dana's and Chris's real property and assets go to all 4 grandkids, and Tony Rhoden petitioned the court to be the executor. I actually read an article that quoted LM saying that "everything goes to the grandkids." (Yes, again, I can look for link if interested.)
I do NOT think that the possibility of Jake getting Social Security for S and the possibility of S inheriting land/assets from her Rhoden grandparents, had anything what-so-ever to do with the Wagner's wanting the Rhodens out of the picture.
I DO think that the Wagner's did not want Hanna and any future boyfriend/husband/children (including Kylie) she might have, to benefit from S Wagner's inheritence.
The Wagner's did not need the Rhoden estates but they did have reason to NOT want Hanna, her husband or boyfriend, or her other children, or other relatives, etc... to benefit from Fred's extensive lucrative estate. with HR refusing to marry Jake, there is no way on earth that the Wagner's would want the Rhodens to benifit----through Sophia's inheritance---from Fred's large estate.
I hope I am making sense here. It can get complicated. It is often complicated. I know a LITTLE BIT from being the executor of 3 different estates. One had a Living Will, one was with a Traditional Will involving Trusts that are currently set up, and actually right now I am sorting out another family member's estate without any Will at all.
But I am no professional and rely on my attorney!
I am giving my humble opinion only....2 Cents.....
........My 2 Cents Only...........
First off, I believe that any trusts that may or may not have been set up when Bob was alive are now under the complete control of Fred. Fred inherited everything is my opinon. I think Fred and Bob owned everything together and now Fred owns it all.
Jake MAY have been getting Social Security benefits for S, but not enough to commit murder for. I do not believe any of what happened on April 22nd 2016 had anything to do with getting S's money and inheritance.
A family member stated that the family did not even know (I would have to find the link but I did read this) if Chris Senior's property would be forfeited as a drug forfiture, or given back to the family.
The 4 Rhoden grandchildren of Dana and Chris are their sole heirs and any and all of Dana's and Chris's real property and assets go to all 4 grandkids, and Tony Rhoden petitioned the court to be the executor. I actually read an article that quoted LM saying that "everything goes to the grandkids." (Yes, again, I can look for link if interested.)
I do NOT think that the possibility of Jake getting Social Security for S and the possibility of S inheriting land/assets from her Rhoden grandparents, had anything what-so-ever to do with the Wagner's wanting the Rhodens out of the picture.
I DO think that the Wagner's did not want Hanna and any future boyfriend/husband/children (including Kylie) she might have, to benefit from S Wagner's inheritence.
The Wagner's did not need the Rhoden estates but they did have reason to NOT want Hanna, her husband or boyfriend, or her other children, or other relatives, etc... to benefit from Fred's extensive lucrative estate. with HR refusing to marry Jake, there is no way on earth that the Wagner's would want the Rhodens to benifit----through Sophia's inheritance---from Fred's large estate.
I hope I am making sense here. It can get complicated. It is often complicated. I know a LITTLE BIT from being the executor of 3 different estates. One had a Living Will, one was with a Traditional Will involving Trusts that are currently set up, and actually right now I am sorting out another family member's estate without any Will at all.
But I am no professional and rely on my attorney!
I am giving my humble opinion only....2 Cents.....
You make perfect sense. Freddy is in total control. Junior was not a book educated
person, as he relied on FW to make the decisions. JMO
I have wondered this as well. I'm wondering if there was a dynasty trust involved that provided that g grandchildren of FW would hit the jackpot?
It's interesting that G4 had custody of his child, and it's interesting the W's surveillance of the R's began when HR's relationship went south and it heated up after HR became pregnant by another man.
JMO, I think JW did the math and he knew that KR wasn't his child and I think he realized that HR would end up with another man. Not him. I think the W's realized the W money SW would one day inherit would not stay in the W family unless JW could get custody and control of SW. HR and her family were not letting him have his way.
All JMO
Note that Jake had SW that night. If he thought K was his he not only would not have left her the way he did, not even putting her in her crib, but he wouldn't have murdered Hanna, not that night anyway....2 Cents.
Were you able to read her FB before it was shuttered? She generated some fury at CG, HHG, and FR over K's parentage, just hours after her birth, and stated who her father would be, and it wasn't going to be CG (nor JW).
I don't get the take that HMR was a delicate flower, nor unable to speak her mind, at all. I think that is what intrigued the boys about each of the girls they chose. They were outgoing and edgy, but the guys thought they'd settle into making babies and keeping house after marriage (or tatted on rings/pretend marriage), but a ring doesn't change someone over night, then they had to possibly deal with AW moving in, and it was just a no go for the girls. Who wants to live with their mil? Three women, one of them the mil, there will be power struggles. I'd have done the same. Live with ya momma, I'm outta here.
Being that FW's lawyer said his client walked as close to The Cross as possible, there may have been conditions of any trust from either great grandparent that said the parents of any children had to be married? FW sure didn't sound or look convincing when she blurted out that she considered JW and HR married. JMO
I think the custody documents were the final straw, once she refused to sign SW over the decision was finalized. IMO if she would have signed her over they may still be alive. Being the biological father he would have gotten custody, however if DR and/or CRSr were left alive in the case something happened to Hanna then he knew the fight would be on. So in their minds there were no other options.
I think the custody documents were the final straw, once she refused to sign SW over the decision was finalized. IMO if she would have signed her over they may still be alive. Being the biological father he would have gotten custody, however if DR and/or CRSr were left alive in the case something happened to Hanna then he knew the fight would be on. So in their minds there were no other options.
No. The coroner does that routinely. Another misconception by the media. There were many misconceptions reported in the beginning. And some even now.I’ve got another question to ask all fellow Sletruthers does anyone think that the paper bags tied around the victims hands where did by the Killers to throw off LE, because all of them didn’t have bags on their hands, this makes me think they ran out of time. I think they did, this crew of killers had a big bunch of tricks. JMO
I would have loved to have had the opportunity to read her FB before it was taken down
Can't you just hear Julie saying, " I told you, so" JMO, too
I would have loved to have had the opportunity to read her FB before it was taken down
The bags over the hands most likely were placed there by investigators on those whom were thought to have had close contact with their killers. By doing this it saves any evidence that might be under their fingernails.I’ve got another question to ask all fellow Sletruthers does anyone think that the paper bags tied around the victims hands where did by the Killers to throw off LE, because all of them didn’t have bags on their hands, this makes me think they ran out of time. I think they did, this crew of killers had a big bunch of tricks. JMO