GUILTY UK- Boy, 6, thrown from 10th floor of London Art Gallery, Aug 2019 *minor arrested*

[tresir2012]

Well it will be interesting if that is the case. But it is the 17 year old that has been charged, not the minders.

"A former carer who worked with the alleged attacker last year told The Sun: “He’s one of the most difficult and challenging mental patients I’ve ever encountered.

"He is stockily built and gets angry when he is denied something that he wants or is told what to do.

“He’s also intelligent. I watched an edition of the TV quiz show The Chase with him once and he answered every single question correctly.

“Something must have gone seriously wrong at the Tate because he’s not allowed out unless accompanied by at least two support staff.

"There will have to be a serious inquiry into what he was doing there.”

Police were investigating whether the teenager absconded from his unit or bolted from staff escorting him on a day trip."

Boy, 6, hurled 100ft from Tate by 'mental patient, 17, who slipped minders'


I think he was probably on a day trip and slipped away.

 

[tresir2012]

Teenager charged with attempted murder after boy 'thrown' from Tate Modern

"A 17-year-old boy has been charged with attempted murder after a six-year-old boy was allegedly thrown from the viewing platform at Tate Modern in central London.

The teenager was arrested on Sunday afternoon by police responding to reports that a boy had been thrown from the 10th floor of the London art gallery’s Blavatnik extension."

 

[Legally Bland]

A teenager has appeared in court charged with the attempted murder of a six-year-old boy who was allegedly thrown from the viewing platform at the Tate Modern, in central London.

The 17-year-old boy, who cannot be named because he is a minor, appeared at Bromley magistrates court on Tuesday morning.

[...]

He suffered a bleed to the brain and fractures to his spine, legs and arms.

[...]

Magistrate David Armitage told him he would be remanded in custody until Thursday, when he would appear at the Old Bailey, in central London.

A preparation hearing has been scheduled for 22 August at the Old Bailey.

Teenager in court over alleged attempted murder at Tate Modern

 

[Sarahlou]

Fractured spine. Poor kid, I hope he isn't paralysed.

 

[LadyL]

Fractured spine. Poor kid, I hope he isn't paralysed.

oh no

 

[Rosegold68]

Who were these minders who let him slip away?

Not that I blame them. But who signed the assessment to say this kid is able to be in the community?

 

[Candidateforwax]

There will undoubtedly be a serious review into how this boy was allowed to slip away from his minders and end up committing this crime, as there should be.

What happened is horrific but I'm not too pleased to see some of the posters on here dubbing the 17-year-old a 'monster', insinuating he will never take responsibility for his actions etc. I work with teenagers with mental health issues and yes some of them can be violent and dangerous like this boy was. However, many more of them are not. In fact, people with mental health issues are far more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators. Not to mention that if he really has schizophrenia so severe that he needs minders he's probably not in control of a lot of his actions. Nor is it fair to insinuate he'll be incapable of feeling remorse: from my experience, a lot of mentally ill young people feel things very deeply. It's a tragic case all round.

I know cases like this with young children can make people very emotional, myself included. However, it's worth noting that calling someone with a mental health disorder a 'monster' only serves to increase the stigma around mental health issues.

 

[Keine Engel]

Who were these minders who let him slip away?

Not that I blame them. But who signed the assessment to say this kid is able to be in the community?

HORROR INJURIES ​

A 17-year-old teen, who appeared in court with a black eye this morning, sobbed as details of the French child’s horror injuries were revealed.
Wearing a grey jumper, the teenager appeared confused and tearful as he spoke only to confirm name, age and British nationality ...

Sian Morgan, prosecuting, told the court the 17-year-old boy grabbed the child when he was just a few feet from his parents – throwing him over the edge in a “very swift” movement...

And witnesses visiting the popular attraction on Sunday claimed the suspect had been following families around moments before the horror incident.

Administration worker N. B., 47, said: “He had his hands behind his back the whole time, his back to the wall, just watching people. We walked away from him then immediately when he was out of sight a woman was screaming ‘My son, my son’ and people were grabbing him.”

I've seen nothing in any reports yet which mentions anyone with him, or looking for him before or after.
Boy, 6, has broken back, legs & arms after being 'thrown 100ft off Tate'

 

[Rosegold68]

also thats first report i have read stating the child is french

 

[Isabelle98]

If it’s true that he has known mental health conditions and is supposed to be under supervision, it’s not ‘the same story.’

Unfortunately it's the same story.
You will see what will happen to him. Nothing...
(and tbh I don't understand why, if he has mental issues, he was in a public place... )

 

[Candidateforwax]

Unfortunately it's the same story.
You will see what will happen to him. Nothing...
(and tbh I don't understand why, if he has mental issues, he was in a public place... )

Because people with mental health issues aren't zoo animals in cages? 1 in 4 people suffer from a mental health issue at some point in their lives so of course they're going to be walking around. You can, of course, argue that a violent individual who needed 2 on 1 supervision shouldn't be out in public but again, saying people with mental health issues shouldn't be out in public is a sweeping generalisation and yet another way of increasing stigma.

 

[Rosegold68]

so you believe its fine for someone this dangerous is fine to be out in public?

 

[Candidateforwax]

so you believe its fine for someone this dangerous is fine to be out in public?

Read my post properly. I said you can argue that a violent individual who needs 2 on 1 supervision should not be out but to argue that those with mental health issues in general should not be out in public is ignorant.

 

[Sarahlou]

Unfortunately it's the same story.
You will see what will happen to him. Nothing...
(and tbh I don't understand why, if he has mental issues, he was in a public place... )

Wow. Mentally ill people are not all dangerous individuals who should be locked away you know.

 

[RachelZachary]

Unfortunately it's the same story.
You will see what will happen to him. Nothing...
(and tbh I don't understand why, if he has mental issues, he was in a public place... )

It’s not - because it’s not an average 17 year old boy that has just decided to do this. This is a boy with a care plan and mental health conditions - of which can be extremely complex and vary widely. Clearly something has gone wrong but that can’t be judged until the facts are out.

 

[Isabelle98]

Because people with mental health issues aren't zoo animals in cages? 1 in 4 people suffer from a mental health issue at some point in their lives so of course they're going to be walking around. You can, of course, argue that a violent individual who needed 2 on 1 supervision shouldn't be out in public but again, saying people with mental health issues shouldn't be out in public is a sweeping generalisation and yet another way of increasing stigma.

I don't think they're animals. But if somebody has severe mental issues and a violent nature they can't walk around. You must put these people somewhere (a place where they can't harm or kill anybody).

 

[Candidateforwax]

I don't think they're animals. But if somebody has severe mental issues and a violent nature they can't walk around. You must put these people somewhere (a place where they can't harm or kill anybody).

It sounds like this boy was in one of those places. At least at some point if not (and I think it's likely he still was) when this crime was committed. And like RachelZachary said, I don't know what this boy's care plan looks like, nor do I know how he was presenting in the days and weeks leading up to the crime. For all we know he might have been presenting well and in a non-violent way before he went to the Tate. We can't come to sweeping conclusions when we still don't know the facts.

 

[Isabelle98]

It’s not - because it’s not an average 17 year old boy that has just decided to do this. This is a boy with a care plan and mental health conditions - of which can be extremely complex and vary widely. Clearly something has gone wrong but that can’t be judged until the facts are out.

I know what has gone wrong. Somebody had a brilliant idea: allow him to walk around free...
People like him need to be put in a mental institution, a psychiatric hospital or something. They can be dangerous for the others

 

[Isabelle98]

Wow. Mentally ill people are not all dangerous individuals who should be locked away you know.

Those who are violent must be locked away

 

[Isabelle98]

It sounds like this boy was in one of those places. At least at some point if not (and I think this is likely) when this crime was committed. And like Rachel Zachary said, I don't know what this boy's care plan looks like, nor do I know how he was presenting in the days and weeks leading up to the crime. For all we know he might have been presenting well and in a non-violent way before he went to the Tate. We can't come to sweeping conclusions when we still don't know the facts.

I presume this guy gave some signs and symptoms of violence during his life...