Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert #2

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1) Many sex workers does NOT have a driver
2) There is no fix rate about how much a sex workers should pay her driver, in Shannon and Michael's case, Michael got a third of what Shannon got from her date
3) Michael did not arrange the date between Shannon and Brewer, as her boyfriend said, Shannon found her own date via Craigslist, Michael did no more than re-post her add (so call refresh) sometimes, so that her ad would be on the top of the list
4) Shannon quit the escort agency and went solo exactly for the reason that she did not want to work for anybody

maryso, by this last post, I believe you may have more private insight in this case than I do. I did not know Shannan had become solo, and did not want to work for anyone. Does this mean not even her pimp/boyfriend? How did the pimp/boyfriend feel about that? Not unusual for pimps to have renegade girls beaten or killed.

If Shannan arranged the date, and of course knew where it was, why would she leave her usual area of work and why did she not know its location? I do not believe she arranged the date. Brewer never stated he made the date with Shannan either.
 
Driving a woman to a house is not illegal? But driving an escort to her date is illegal

Not to be argumentative, but can you give me an example of a conviction for this crime.

New York has laws against both buying and selling sex. Strictly driving for a fee, like a taxi, I do not think so. Now if you cross state lines, you may be in violation of the Mann Act.
 
maryso, by this last post, I believe you may have more private insight in this case than I do. I did not know Shannan had become solo, and did not want to work for anyone. Does this mean not even her pimp/boyfriend? How did the pimp/boyfriend feel about that? Not unusual for pimps to have renegade girls beaten or killed.

If Shannan arranged the date, and of course knew where it was, why would she leave her usual area of work and why did she not know its location? I do not believe she arranged the date. Brewer never stated he made the date with Shannan either.

Shannon's boyfriend Alex was never her pimp, Shannon used to working for an escort agency, and Alex worked as a driver for that agency, that was how they met, after this agency "World class party girls" was shut down by police, Shannon managed to found another agency "Fallen Angelz", and that was where she met Michael who worked for that agency as a driver. Alex, on the hand, quit and basically stayed home. Shannon found out she could only keep no more than half what she earned when working for an agency, other half was split between the agency and the driver. So she decided if she could go solo, she could keep more money for herself, she convinced Michael and they quit from "Fallen Angelz".
And again, no, don't believe these unfounded rumor, Brewer and Michael did NOT know each other, Shannon's last date was set up via craigslist. Neither Shannon nor Michael were familiar with long island, but this is a nice neighborhood, and this was a multiple hours date, that means good money
 
If Shannan arranged the date, and of course knew where it was, why would she leave her usual area of work and why did she not know its location?
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She set up the date via Craigslist, she then received an address via text which she gave to Michael and possibly pay not attention to this, then you have to consider her mental state, she cannot remember the exact address, only some road sign she saw on the way there
 
Not to be argumentative, but can you give me an example of a conviction for this crime.

New York has laws against both buying and selling sex. Strictly driving for a fee, like a taxi, I do not think so. Now if you cross state lines, you may be in violation of the Mann Act.

Michael was not a "taxi driver", he was Shannon's partner, let say you open a massage parlor and sex workers do their business there and you take a cut from what they earn, when police come knocking, you can try I just lend them a room, what they do there are not my business defense, would that work ?
 
Okay I think I got it straight,
Pak was Shannan's partner in the sex trade. Shannan booked the trip to Brewer's home through Craigslist, but could not remember the address after and relied on Michael to keep her safe and secure. For some unknown reason Shannan feared for life at Brewer's, called 911 and ran away, from Michael as well. Then she just ran into the marsh and accidentally died. Michael, Shannan's partner, left Oak Beach before the police arrived, so he was not able to provide information to the police on her last location, or assist in the search in daylight.

You know that is basically what the Pak and the SCPD said happened. No crime, no foul.
 
Michael, Shannan's partner, left Oak Beach before the police arrived, so he was not able to provide information to the police on her last location, or assist in the search in daylight.

It was also confirmed by the resident Gus Coletti that Michael drove away right after he told Michael that he had called the police
 
Shannon's boyfriend Alex was never her pimp, Shannon used to working for an escort agency, and Alex worked as a driver for that agency, that was how they met, after this agency "World class party girls" was shut down by police, Shannon managed to found another agency "Fallen Angelz", and that was where she met Michael who worked for that agency as a driver. Alex, on the hand, quit and basically stayed home.

Marsyao - You seem to be rather uneducated in the federal law regarding prostitution.
Alex Diaz controlled Shannan Gilbert, he absolutely was her pimp. You yourself state Alex quit driving and basically stayed home.
Very early on in the relationship, Alex broke Shanann's jaw. According to Alex, Shannan started the fight, and Alex hit her in her jaw.
How many times have YOU been hit in your jaw when your boyfriend was punching you out.?????? He BROKE HER JAW, that is a pimp
behavior - he never PAID any medical expenses for her to heal. Shannan paid in installments, because Alex was her pimp, and he owned her.
He owned her body and she did what Alex said WHEN Alex said to do it and she really had no options. Shannan had abortions, because Alex
TOLD her to get rid of the baby. If Shannan did not want to go to work, all
Alex had to do was raise his hand and give her a real nasty look,
and out the door she went. While Alex was cheating on Shannan
behind her back with other women, Shannan was risking her life
with every john she serviced.

What is "felony promoting"

felony promoting prostitution
How do you show that?

You need probably cause in 3 areas,
1) is there prostitution taking place,
2) is a 3rd party advancing or profiting from prostitution,
and
3) how is that 3rd party advancing and profiting from that prostitution.

corroborative evidence. Your word is not good enough Marsyao

Pak was NOT Shannan's partner, he drove her, yes, but he was NOT her partner, not at all - Pak was much more than a "driver" - he was transportation to bring
an escort to a john. Pak had to know how to deliver the goods on time and get the money and get the girl to the next john
on time. Prostitution is run by organized crime - 99% of it is organized crime, and TRANSPORTATION is a felony and it is illegal and it is run by organized crime.

Driving a girl to a hotel or client is advancing prostitution
taking payment from Brewer was advancing prostitution,
placing the sex ads on-line is advancing prostitution - whether Pak originated the ad or refreshed the ad. It is advancing prostitution which is a FELONY.

Transportation is a felony and it is FIVE years in prison when prosecuted.
So, come again? ABOUT JUST BEING A DRIVER?

It is a crime to transport an individual with the intent that the individual
will engage in illegal sexual activity. (Section 2421)

Pak picked her up in NY and she came from NJ. That is the Mann Act.
He should have been prosecuted for at least 6 federal felonies.

You have no corrobative evidence that Pak was Shannan's partner in the sex trade. It is not a partnership when Shannan has to get on her
knees or her back and service a john and possibly be raped, to earn income from prostitution and Pak is sitting in a car playing poker games;
that is NOT a partnership. Shannan is being humiliated and her life is in danger with EVERY door she knocks on to service a john. Prostitution is
a deadly business, you could get killed within 5 minutes of stepping inside a whacko's house. You HAVE NO CORROBATIVE EVIDENCE PAK WAS HER PARTNER.
Pak is not risking his life, being NAKED, with a stranger who could have a machete hidden under the bed, Pak is fully clothed and booking the girls next job
and figuring out how to get the girl to the hotel or john's house as soon as the "date" is over, so he can get her there on time.


Pak was NOT her partner. Shannan is dead and can not speak for herself. Her ad was not on Craig's List, and unless you can show
the people here her actual ad, and that it was on Craig's List - which it was NOT, then you have no right to speak with such authority on the matter.
Show it to me becuase he was not her partner.

Shannan did NOT set up the Date via Craig's List. When you HAVE the ad - show it to us to corrobate what emphatically state.

To end where we started, you yourself said that Alex was not working
and basically stayed home. Henceforth, the bills were paid by Shannan
and as we just discussed, Shannan earned her income illegally
and henceforth, Alex benefitted in a 3rd party direct benefit from
Shannan's illegal earnings, therefore, Alex should be facing time in
prison for putting Shannan in the path of danger. He had no income,
and no proof of income, and to live off Shannan's illegal (cash) wages
is a felony - Alex was a 3rd party advancing and profiting from prostitution
of Shannan Gilbert.
 
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She set up the date via Craigslist, she then received an address via text which she gave to Michael and possibly pay not attention to this, then you have to consider her mental state, she cannot remember the exact address, only some road sign she saw on the way there

You do not know that mental state of Shannan Gilbert.
She was there from 1am - 5am.
Shannan Gilbert fled from Brewer's house because she was going to be killed, murdered.
There are some people on this thread that know the exact reason Shannan was going to be killed in Brewer's house.

Do NOT denigrate a young woman who fled from the murderer's house screaming into a 911 call for help.
The same police that covered up this 911 call and did not release it to the public is because they are covering up
a murder, of Shannan Gilbert, and a concealment of her body for 18 months, and a fake search in the marsh
behind Hackett's house.

THINK: Shannan did NOT run FROM Hackett's house. He is a red herring, he is a patsy. He was used. Shannan left Brewer's
house and was running for her life. She was petrified because they were in the process of killing her INSIDE Brewer's house.

DO NOT judge her unless you walk a mile in her shoes. I'd like to see you tell the police that you were just renting out a room in the back
where an illegal enterprise of organized crime is taking place 24/7, and then I'd love to watch you stand in front of the judge and say

OH I DIDNT KNOW DUH

and watch him put you in prison.
 
You do not know that mental state of Shannan Gilbert.
She was there from 1am - 5am.
Shannan Gilbert fled from Brewer's house because she was going to be killed, murdered.
There are some people on this thread that know the exact reason Shannan was going to be killed in Brewer's house.

Do NOT denigrate a young woman who fled from the murderer's house screaming into a 911 call for help.
The same police that covered up this 911 call and did not release it to the public is because they are covering up
a murder, of Shannan Gilbert, and a concealment of her body for 18 months, and a fake search in the marsh
behind Hackett's house.

THINK: Shannan did NOT run FROM Hackett's house. He is a red herring, he is a patsy. He was used. Shannan left Brewer's
house and was running for her life. She was petrified because they were in the process of killing her INSIDE Brewer's house.

DO NOT judge her unless you walk a mile in her shoes. I'd like to see you tell the police that you were just renting out a room in the back
where an illegal enterprise of organized crime is taking place 24/7, and then I'd love to watch you stand in front of the judge and say

OH I DIDNT KNOW DUH

and watch him put you in prison.

Hello, this is my first post. I have a question about this that has been in my mind for sometime - if Brewer and co had intended to kill Shannan, why would they have chosen an escort who was part of a larger operation and likely to come with a driver? And if they did not realize that a driver was to arrive, why would they proceed with trying to kill her after noticing the driver? Why not just let Shannan pass and wait for another, lower-risk event (a prostitute with no driver) to proceed with their evil plan?
 
Marsyao - You seem to be rather uneducated in the federal law regarding prostitution.
Alex Diaz controlled Shannan Gilbert, he absolutely was her pimp. You yourself state Alex quit driving and basically stayed home.
Very early on in the relationship, Alex broke Shanann's jaw. According to Alex, Shannan started the fight, and Alex hit her in her jaw.
How many times have YOU been hit in your jaw when your boyfriend was punching you out.?????? He BROKE HER JAW, that is a pimp
behavior - he never PAID any medical expenses for her to heal. Shannan paid in installments, because Alex was her pimp, and he owned her.
He owned her body and she did what Alex said WHEN Alex said to do it and she really had no options. Shannan had abortions, because Alex
TOLD her to get rid of the baby. .

Can we be civil and not name calling? I don't know you sir. Yes, Alex broke Shannan's jaw, but that was almost a year after they met, and months AFTER "World Top Party Girls" was shut down by the police, and when they was working for "World Top Party Girls" and Alex was a driver for that agency, the boss was Joseph Ruis. This is on official records,I do not make this up. and Alex did not drive exclusively for Shannan,
Alex did break Shannan's jaw, that proves he was a man who hit woman, did not prove he was her pimp, there are lot of man hit women out there, I doubt that proves these women are sex workers and these men are their pimps.
 
Hello, this is my first post. I have a question about this that has been in my mind for sometime - if Brewer and co had intended to kill Shannan, why would they have chosen an escort who was part of a larger operation and likely to come with a driver? And if they did not realize that a driver was to arrive, why would they proceed with trying to kill her after noticing the driver? Why not just let Shannan pass and wait for another, lower-risk event (a prostitute with no driver) to proceed with their evil plan?

Shannon was not working for any escort at the time of her death, she did have a driver Michael though
 
Hello, this is my first post. I have a question about this that has been in my mind for sometime - if Brewer and co had intended to kill Shannan, why would they have chosen an escort who was part of a larger operation and likely to come with a driver? And if they did not realize that a driver was to arrive, why would they proceed with trying to kill her after noticing the driver? Why not just let Shannan pass and wait for another, lower-risk event (a prostitute with no driver) to proceed with their evil plan?
Unless the driver was part of the plan.
 
Unless the driver was part of the plan.

That just seems very elaborate to me to the point of absurdity. Too many people (MP and Alex) would know where Shannan was going and have to be silenced. At this time (2010) Craigslist was crawling with independent sex workers who would have traveled alone and not told anyone where they were going - these would have been highly preferred targets. In my opinion it just would not have been worth it to attempt to murder SG for a snuff film once it was clear that she wasn't operating alone and arrived with a driver and perhaps did not even arrange the meeting herself.

This is the detail that prevents me from thinking SG was about to be murdered by LISK, despite how satisfying that would be as far as a "this could be a movie" cohesive story goes.

It IS entirely possible (yet still somewhat far-fetched) that JB was part of a sick ring of snuff film producers/sex party holders who together were responsible for at least the Gilgo4 if not the other killings, which means JB may have been a sex addict who regularly procured prostitutes and explaining his hiring of Shannan that night, but I don't believe they were about to kill Shannan that night, even if it had been their original plan.

At the end of the day, hiring a prostitute is a very common occurrence, but in comparison murdering one is a very rare occurrence. Even if JB was part of murdering prostitutes on other occasions (which is complete speculation), he likely hired many more prostitutes to simply have sex with than he participated in murdering.

Additionally, psychosis is highly heritable and travels in families, and we know that Shannan's sister was afflicted with Schizophrenia and murdered their mother in a psychotic episode. I do not find it far fetched at all that Shannan may have run away from MP in the midst of a paranoid/psychotic fit, possibly triggered by drugs or something scary JB may have done or said to her.

Anyway, these are just my thoughts and ramblings. This case has intrigued me for a long time. Long Island IS a weird and shady place. I hope we do find answers eventually, but I am not super hopeful.
 
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MP and JB did not know each other

Head. Meet brick wall.

You don’t know that.

Pak was arranging jobs for her. In Lost Girls it says she was ringing him asking him to get her customers even on nights Alex was driving her.

Pak also had Brewers number on his phone and stopped at the gates to call him when they didn’t know the code.
 
Head. Meet brick wall.

You don’t know that.

Pak was arranging jobs for her. In Lost Girls it says she was ringing him asking him to get her customers even on nights Alex was driving her.

Pak also had Brewers number on his phone and stopped at the gates to call him when they didn’t know the code.

No, Shannan found her date via Craigslist, she post her ads there, though once for while when she was busy, she would ask Michael to re-post (refresh) her ads, so that her ads would be on the top of the list, by the way Alex no longer involving her "business" when Michael became her driver.
Of course Michael would have Brewers number, if Brewers did not text his number and address to them, how did they find his address?
 
No, you’re totally wrong. Look at the attachment from Lost Girls. She asked Pak to find her a customer one night when Alex was driving her. QED: Pak sometimes arranged customers for her and she still worked with Alex after forming a work relationship with Pak.

And Alex has always claimed she used BackPage, not Craigslist, anyway.
 

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No, Shannan found her date via Craigslist, she post her ads there, though once for while when she was busy, she would ask Michael to re-post (refresh) her ads, so that her ads would be on the top of the list, by the way Alex no longer involving her "business" when Michael became her driver.
Of course Michael would have Brewers number, if Brewers did not text his number and address to them, how did they find his address?

And how would Brewer have known who to text the number to? If, as you claim, Shannan had arranged the date herself, she would have been the one who had Brewer’s number. Not Pak.
 

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No, you’re totally wrong. Look at the attachment from Lost Girls. She asked Pak to find her a customer one night when Alex was driving her. QED: Pak sometimes arranged customers for her and she still worked with Alex after forming a work relationship with Pak.

And Alex has always claimed she used BackPage, not Craigslist, anyway.

Yeah, Let me quota "Once she even asked if Michael could find a customer on a night when Alex going to drive her", did I miss some thing? And I glad you can find out "Alex was mostly retired" on the same page, I wish nobody would say Alex was Shannon's pimp or Shannon was forced into sex work by Alex such kind of nonsense
 
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