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Simply Southern said:
No we didn't look at the community college for classes for an educational benefit. My daughter had over 60 CC credits going into VT. The CC college lead us to believe these classes would transfer towards a degree, they were NOT dual enrollment classes, hit full college classes. HA...VT only allowed credit as an elective towards a degree. We also checked the other schools she was accepted to UVA, William and Mary and several private college, all the same. CC classes are a joke when transferring, money is better spend on a 4 year college, unless its a 2 year program.

Yes, we do have programs for juniors and seniors HS student to live on campus/ online and take HS and college classes, graduating in 4 yeard with a four year degree. We looked at this when daughter was in HS. Colleges flood the academically gifted students with invites to participate in these programs, We even went to the Johns Hopkins parent weekend program. Its more pressure than we wanted to expose our daughter to. Our goal was to raise a successful, happy, well rounded, social adjusted child to adulthood. Giving her the best opportunity for financial independence, as well as being a good mother and wife, if she chose.

Mental health for all students is very important. Isolation is a leading cause of depression, suicide and mental health problems. Just Google....her parents and I have read many studies. This is especially true for outgoing, energetic and socially active kids and adults. Hardly a day goes by we don't read of folks committing suicide.

Education is more than academics, imho. It builds long lasting friendships, leadership skills, socialization skills, and the tools we need to survive in everyday life. An education or degree is of little use, if employees don't have/use socialization skills. They can become known as the difficult employee that doesn't get along with others, can't work in groups, bullies others, and overbearing. Most of us know the "kind" of person I speak of, smart but no fee like.

NO, socializatiom doesn't end with HS, in MY world. It's only the beginning of sharing the up and downs, successes/failure, meeting kids and grandkids of my fellow class mates. My elementary school classmates and I still have a yearly picnic at the park just like we did in school. We even do a bike ride though the old neighborhood, for those of us that can still ride. LOL Many of our former teachers and classmates of all ages, attend, we print memory books yearly to give out. It's advertised in the newspaper, radio and TV. Its great see everyone's family, kids and grand kids. Our oldest attendee is 94 yo our youngest just days old.

I/We want well rounded, happy kids, not kids living in fear. Fear is the adults job, not a burden I'm willing to place on kids who are already struggling with a lockdown.

I do believe and teach all children I encounter Universal Precautions. That's what we call it with the Gkids. Even the 5 yo, runs to wash his hand before eating, willing puts on his mask in public and never touches anything. Not from fear, but from education.

I'm more interested in raising grandkids that can successfully cope with what every the world throws at them. This may not be the only pandemic or world crisis my grandkids will experience in their lifetime. I am committed to teaching them how to live anything in the world throw at them.

So, as you can see your views and suggestions will not work in the environmental I strive to create. But I do thank you for the time and thought of your response and it may help others.

MOO...
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I appreciate your words. I'm a grandparent too, and am now entering my 43rd year of teaching. I too have the best interests of young people and children at heart. I seriously do not think that one year (or nine months) out of a teenager's life is going to ruin their future social lives.

I'm not at all interested in giving longterm worldview tips about raising children, so I'm sorry and perplexed that that's how you took it.

I am more interested in making sure our young people get the education they need. I also want an end to CoVid.

Sounds like many people will risk the increase in CoVid until science comes up with a vaccine. I'm not sure I like the lesson that teaches young people and I don't think resilience comes from taking risks that endanger others, so we certainly disagree on that.

But most of all, I'm stunned that you'd imply that some of the rest of us, especially people whose entire lives have been devoted to young people, have a different worldview in which we think kids should be indefinitely isolated. They're not, even now. If we could reverse their involvement with online social platforms, that would be a miracle - and not desirable.

I'm very sorry that you're seeing so many suicides in your area. We're not seeing that in mine. We're seeing more domestic violence (against spouses, against kids), but the increase in suicides among young people is not nationwide. Perhaps it depends on the degree to which kids were already dependent on school/sociality for their mental health. If I lived in an area where that was happening, I surely would be urging more real world school opportunities (my own view is that parents should be offered a choice - but I've said here many times, that self-selection will result in the kids who do go to school...being in a different environment, because many many parents will opt to keep their kids home right now - and that will skew who is in the schools).

The research on suicide during CoVid hasn't focused on isolation from peers, but it does show that fear of CoVid and worry about getting it is leading to increased suicides. Older people seem particularly vulnerable. The article below scrubbed the record for the "why" of recent suicides - none were noted among young people, but perhaps there is state-by-state research going on.

impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on suicide rates

Young people are by nature resilient. Problems with depression and anxiety were rampant before CoVid and I have yet to see data that says it's worse right now. In fact, one thing we've never discussed here is the apparent drop in opioid related deaths (which would imply that during CoVid the supply chain was disrupted - because it does require a social nexus to acquire the drugs).

Here in SoCal, some online kids are being given social opportunities to have "lunch hour" and "recess" in parks (socially distanced, masked) and it's being paid for by CARE funds. It's a good compromise. The kids remain in their ordinary neighborhood groups and tutoring will be available outdoors in the afternoon as well. The adult to child ratio is really good and there is educational counseling as well. Opportunities of this sort are springing up as we sit about 3 weeks out from school reopening. Surf camp went all summer - and will continue as long as weather allows (kids get 3 hours a day together just to have fun).

Lots of solutions besides putting teachers at risk, IMO.
 
TootsieFootsie said:
I don't think it's come to that stage in Australia where the bunkers are being made.
Our last bushfires were the worst ever, since then many people in bushfire prone areas are buying bunkers, or building them themselves.
The government has been warning people that any bunkers or homemade ones have to pass government regulation.
Latest protest here were anti maskers to which a couple of dozen turned up.
No signs of martial law here, thankfully
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So sorry, I certainly didn't mean to be offensive. I do know that many Americans have bunkers in other countries, NZ to name one.

Hindsight, should have researched before I assume it was for protection. Never thought about the wildfires.

Please accept my apology.
 
Simply Southern said:
Thank you for your supportive comments.

I raised a very successful daughter, has her PHD, but can hunt, fish and shoot with the best of them. She was also a US Congressional page for Congress. She says this was one her greatest experiences and taught her many things college could not.

We are what our life experiences teach us. Life experiences and socialization are as important as a University degree.

Moo
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True - but there are many ways to get that and every kid is different. I'm not sure why the "but" in the first sentence - many Ph.D's and other people with post-graduate work have immense practical skills. In fact, I'd say that most do.

Your daughter wouldn't have got the page job had she not gone to college, is what I think. Nearly every successful college grad seeks out internship and other interesting opportunities. But without a university degree, we would have no doctors, lawyers, or teachers. Both are important to the continued functioning of society.

Right now, the US has to import doctors, nurses and scientists, as we do not produce the same numbers we did in the 60's and 70's. The numbers have been declining since the 80's (of people who go into medical/science professions).

College is as important as high school to maintaining an average lifestyle in the US, and for poorer kids everywhere, it's the only path to upward mobility.

The toll CoVId is taking on the medical professions is staggering, and it's not just deaths, it's also longterm disability as well as quitting. Nearly every doctor I know has considered quitting, but telemedicine seems to be gradually restoring income and safety. Telemedicine is another form of social distancing that may not go away, and I hope everyone can get used to it.

CoVid isn't going away soon. In fact, as we see today, it's come back - even in New Zealand (which is perplexing to the nth degree) France has to do something to stop its continued upswing in CoVid. Japan is in the trenches with CoVid right now. It's going to circulate and recirculate, and while everyone might like to have their old lives back, we already see a downturn in people applying to nursing at our California colleges. We already have a downturn in medical school applications, but we successfully pull from other states to fill those slots.

We seem to be plateauing, as a planet, at about 1 million new cases every 4-5 days. IMO, every person has to do their part to contain this, even if it's just wearing a mask and social distancing. In many places, reduced class size and outdoor education as part of the day would work to reduce those numbers - let's see if parents can see their way to making sure their kids wear masks (the kids 11 and older). The online skills some students will achieve will stand them in good stead, as the movement toward nearly everything being mediated by online platforms is here longterm.
 
10ofRods said:
I appreciate your words. I'm a grandparent too, and am now entering my 43rd year of teaching. I too have the best interests of young people and children at heart. I seriously do not think that one year (or nine months) out of a teenager's life is going to ruin their future social lives.

I'm not at all interested in giving longterm worldview tips about raising children, so I'm sorry and perplexed that that's how you took it.

I am more interested in making sure our young people get the education they need. I also want an end to CoVid.

Sounds like many people will risk the increase in CoVid until science comes up with a vaccine. I'm not sure I like the lesson that teaches young people and I don't think resilience comes from taking risks that endanger others, so we certainly disagree on that.

But most of all, I'm stunned that you'd imply that some of the rest of us, especially people whose entire lives have been devoted to young people, have a different worldview in which we think kids should be indefinitely isolated. They're not, even now. If we could reverse their involvement with online social platforms, that would be a miracle - and not desirable.

I'm very sorry that you're seeing so many suicides in your area. We're not seeing that in mine. We're seeing more domestic violence (against spouses, against kids), but the increase in suicides among young people is not nationwide. Perhaps it depends on the degree to which kids were already dependent on school/sociality for their mental health. If I lived in an area where that was happening, I surely would be urging more real world school opportunities (my own view is that parents should be offered a choice - but I've said here many times, that self-selection will result in the kids who do go to school...being in a different environment, because many many parents will opt to keep their kids home right now - and that will skew who is in the schools).

The research on suicide during CoVid hasn't focused on isolation from peers, but it does show that fear of CoVid and worry about getting it is leading to increased suicides. Older people seem particularly vulnerable. The article below scrubbed the record for the "why" of recent suicides - none were noted among young people, but perhaps there is state-by-state research going on.

impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on suicide rates

Young people are by nature resilient. Problems with depression and anxiety were rampant before CoVid and I have yet to see data that says it's worse right now. In fact, one thing we've never discussed here is the apparent drop in opioid related deaths (which would imply that during CoVid the supply chain was disrupted - because it does require a social nexus to acquire the drugs).

Here in SoCal, some online kids are being given social opportunities to have "lunch hour" and "recess" in parks (socially distanced, masked) and it's being paid for by CARE funds. It's a good compromise. The kids remain in their ordinary neighborhood groups and tutoring will be available outdoors in the afternoon as well. The adult to child ratio is really good and there is educational counseling as well. Opportunities of this sort are springing up as we sit about 3 weeks out from school reopening. Surf camp went all summer - and will continue as long as weather allows (kids get 3 hours a day together just to have fun).

Lots of solutions besides putting teachers at risk, IMO.
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Not taking any risk, my grandkids are in lockdown.

No suicides in my area, ALL kids are well feed, we have delivered meals daily to all children, clothed, housed and receiving lots of support from our community, school and the financial support of our foundation.

My original post was frustration of not being able to take a full class load. Didn't mean to create your concern for my community. Just sharing a frustration resulting from Covid with my fellow WSers on the thread.

My grandkids will be fine, they are safety tucked away under the very watchful eyes of their parents. They have lots of land to run, fish, a boat, a pool and have a good time outdoors and well educated parents who will insure they have an excellent education. Sorry to create alarm.

Moo
 
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Three children test positive for Covid-19 at Meath creche

(Ireland)

Three children have now tested positive for Covid-19 at a creche, bringing the total number of cases at the facility to five.

The children were confirmed to have the virus on Sunday night and further tests are now under way on other attendees.

It comes after two members of staff at the Daoine Oga Community Childcare Centre in Navan tested positive last week.
 
10ofRods said:
You are wise. You, I like, very much. I hope everyone with kids in HS thinks about this approach. And yes, the academic literature shows that difficult times during youth breeds resiliency and much else.

But...I do feel very badly for kids who experience the loss of a prom or a letter jacket or a last football game. It's like wartime.

Humans don't go more than about 50 years without some major crisis, and for some cultures, it's almost continuous.
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One consolation I have or I feel, is that this virus is nothing like wartime.
Just my opinion.
 
Coronavirus: One death and 35 new cases confirmed in Ireland

(Ireland)

HEALTH OFFICIALS HAVE confirmed one further patient diagnosed with Covid-19 has died and there are 35 new confirmed cases of the disease in Ireland.

There have now been a total of 26,801 confirmed cases here, and 1,773 deaths of patients diagnosed with the disease.
  • 15 are men / 18 are women
  • 71% are under 45 years of age
  • 24 are confirmed to be associated with outbreaks or are close contacts of a confirmed case
  • 5 cases have been identified as community transmission
  • 6 in Carlow, 5 in Clare, and the remaining 24 of the cases are in Cork, Donegal, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Limerick, Meath, Offaly, Tipperary, Wexford
 
It's now a felony in Illinois to assault a retail worker who is enforcing face mask rules

Gov. J.B. Pritzker signed a law that expands the definition of aggravated battery to include attacks against a retail worker who is conveying public health guidance, such as requiring patrons to wear face coverings or promoting social distancing.

The new law, effective immediately, also increases disability pay for emergency workers affected by COVID-19, including firefighters, law enforcement and paramedics.
 
COVID-19 Map
Global infections, JHU
20,152,405

Global coronavirus cases surpass 20 million, doubling in 6 weeks

"That 20-million figure is likely a "real underestimate" of the true number of infections to date, according to Dr. Anna Banerji, a pediatric infectious disease specialist and associate professor at University of Toronto's school of public health.

"I think the true number is probably five, maybe even ten times higher than the actual number of cases," Banerji said
 
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Coronavirus kills three people affiliated with same Florida school

A Florida mother died from COVID-19 this week, less than a month after her 19-year-old son also died of coronavirus.

Jordan Byrd, 19, was a part-time custodian at that grades K-8 campus and Jacqueline Byrd, 55, had once been employed at that same school. Jacqueline Byrd died on Monday and her son on July 19.

One week after Jordan Byrd passed away, the mother of his girlfriend also lost her life to COVID-19. Karen Bradwell, 53, had been the director of after-school programs at Fort Braden School.
 
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Taoiseach says weekly testing to begin at meat plants and direct provision centres

(Ireland)

THE TAOISEACH HAS said weekly coronavirus testing for workers at meat processing plants and residents of direct provision centres is to begin, as health officials work to prevent the spread of Covid-19.

Following a meeting of the Cabinet sub-committee on Covid-19 today, Micheál Martin said weekly testing will start first in Kildare, Laois and Offaly, where clusters of infection have been identified in recent weeks.
 
Outbreak of Covid-19 confirmed on ward in Naas General Hospital

(Ireland)

NAAS GENERAL HOSPITAL has confirmed an outbreak of Covid-19 on one ward of the hospital.

The outbreak was notified yesterday and the ward has been closed to new admissions as patients in the ward continue their care and treatment.

The Irish Times reported today that the source of the outbreak is believed to be a member of the hospital’s cleaning staff.
 
HongKongPhooey said:
I feel like I reinvented myself during lockdown! Had my hair cut short a week or so ago (hairdresser came to my home) and lots of blonde put in it. V tanned from all the gardening. Working from home so dressing v casual, as opposed to office. If only losing the extra pounds was so easy :D
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Oh, nice, HKP.
 
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