Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #68

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Would you turn your child in (or hypothetical child, if you don't have children) for any crime they'd committed?

I mean literally any crime, from speeding 3mph over the speed limit, to parking somewhere they shouldn't, to being involved in a fight, to a potential murder?

Recalling that one time about age 10 that I accidentally (really truly I forgot I had grabbed it off the shelf) walked out of a store with tiny lined notepad in my shopping cart...and my mom saw it and escorted me back in to pay for it. SO embarrassing, not just for me, but I've never had any doubt whether my mom was going to ever aid and abet any murders I might commit.
 
I have a van and friends who live in their van permanently, they love it, although the single ones do get lonely from time to time, they wouldn’t change it. Me and my husband are moving into ours next year, it’s basically a house on wheels, sink, fridge, shower, toilet, queen sized bed, log burner etc. It’s not for everyone but it is sustainable. IMO
Our bubble top van is one of our most favorite things we own, and it is old and kind of hilarious, but SO much fun. We lived mostly in it for a trip out west over the month of June, with me, hubs and two boys. Half of us stayed in the van and half tent camped.

We had a BALL! We are still customizing it, and also intend to move into it FT in a few years.

I completely understand why Gabby said she loves their van.

Ours was also a mess in the back on the bed (sometimes a hot mess) until we settled for the evening and unpacked camping gear.

I loved your post! Thank you for sharing! :) MOO.
 
Would you turn your child in (or hypothetical child, if you don't have children) for any crime they'd committed?

I mean literally any crime, from speeding 3mph over the speed limit, to parking somewhere they shouldn't, to being involved in a fight, to a potential murder?
We're talking murder here. Not pocketing a handful of Bazooka Bubble Gum from the dime store or parking in a handicapped zone. BL has a short fuse. Short enough to cause him to throttle someone to death.
I'd turn him in in a heartbeat, for the public good and his own.
 
Would you turn your child in (or hypothetical child, if you don't have children) for any crime they'd committed?

I mean literally any crime, from speeding 3mph over the speed limit, to parking somewhere they shouldn't, to being involved in a fight, to a potential murder?
I think I would. I would not want my child out there with a bounty on his head for one thing. But, yes, I would. I would want him to have mental health treatment, a lawyer. But I have been raised up all of my life to believe in taking responsibility for ones actions, to respect and follow laws, to have compassion for others. Am I perfect? No. Would it break my heart? Yes.
We can not live and thrive anywhere where we pick and choose the laws we wish to follow and disregard the ones we don't like. Rule of law must apply to ALL, not just the poor.
I believe in this with all of my heart. Jmo
 
I think the type of crime is irrelevant IMO. I don't think a parent would be selective about that. If they were going to protect their child I'd imagine they'd do it regardless of whether they'd hypothetically shot and killed an innocent bank employee or hypothetically strangled their girlfriend.

JMO
After so many years of reading Websleuths, we've all seen every kind of unconditional parental love possible, even after a murder takes place. Sometimes that "child" - well, actually an adult in the case of BL and others - turns out to be a Casey Anthony or Scott Peterson, unfortunately. While we can all understand parental love, it's harder to understand the excuses these parents make for their child's behavior towards other human beings. Sympathy for the parents only goes so far if they try to help their child avoid inevitable consequences. JMOO
 
bbm
Thanks for the msm link. ^^^

Re. the bolded : IF anyone is helping BL, it stands to reason they're not law-abiding. ;)
Again the question might be : What connections does his family have if any ?
Although it could be a friend.
Who is going to go along with this and support him and for how long ?
The rest of his life ?
Imo.

This is a really good question. A former US Marshal on the Australian 60 Minutes show basically said, “A 23 year old young man is on the run. He should be found soon. It’s not like he is a hardened fugitive that has experience in being on the run many times before.”

but if he has friends that have that experience…
 
Question, if I may.
What if he had robbed a bank and in the process of armed robbery he shot and killed an innocent bank employee. Would the parents be justified in helping him evade justice? What is the difference in this case? Murder is murder is murder.
Jmo
Ita.
The Laundrie's responsibility was to turn him in for questioning.
Strangling is a particularly prolonged and cruel death.
Much more personal than shooting.
But still murder and there's no excuse for concealing someone after the manner of death is released.
Even before Gabby was found and was just considered missing -- a young lady's parents were calling and texting frantically and to just ignore the anguished pleading was inexcusable.

IF Brian's alive, I think he might have assistance.
I don't see this man as capable of surviving indefinitely on his own resources.

From their actions, I don't believe LE are focused on any other people or random passersby.
They're looking at one person only !
Imo.
 
Not necessarily. I think it is very possible that when he first returned he gave them some story as explanation. Once the Petitos started contacting them, more would have come out. I don’t think I have seen a timeline of the exact date of the first text to the Laundries. My guess is the first was sometime between the 6th and the 10th. I think this first text could be when the Laundries realized something was wrong and when they engaged their lawyer. Just my opinion.
Neither parent started contacting the Laundries until the 10th.

Interviewer
Did you ever reach out to her and say "can you please help me find my daughter?"

Gabby's mum
Yes I reached out to her on Friday the 9th or the 10th I'm sorry. I texted her "I'm worried about the kids, I haven't heard from them" and I got nothing. Called left messages, got nothing.

Interviewer
She won't even call you back?

Gabby's mum
Nope.

Interviewer
And Joe you and Tara, you've reached out and they won't call you back?

Gabby's dad
We've called on the 10th, I can't tell you how many times. We sent text messages "We're worried", "we're calling the police". I mean if someone texted me that they're calling the police because they can't find my son, I'm gonna drop whatever I'm doing to call back. I guess it's evident how they run their household.

Step-mum
She knew her son was home that time when we were texting her. At that point we didn't know that he was home.

Interview with Gabby's parents
 
I have been wondering something that I haven’t understood this entire time. I’m thinking someone here can explain it to me? The articles I’ve read stating the Laundries refused to let NPPD speak to BL are confusing to me. He’s not a minor. Why do the parents have any say in that situation? Is it just poorly worded and possibly means that they refused to let LE into their residence and that’s where BL was sitting? I’m just not understanding how the parents came into play in this situation and why BL didn’t have to say “please speak to my attorney.”

Does anyone have some insight that I do not? It’s not a big deal but I haven’t understood it this entire case. This article more explicitly states that the Laundries didn’t let LE into their house… Brian Laundrie's father refuses to let cops talk to his son in the Gabby Petito case. - Techno Trenz

For instance I’m wondering how BL communicated to LE that SB was representing him if he never spoke to them. He’s not a minor so can the parents still speak to that?
 
I missed that too. I was just thinking last night about some of the threads I missed when they were flying. I kept waiting for them to slow down thinking-stop!I gotta pee. I thought I should go back and pick up some clues but I got up and wow, this ones moving so fast I don’t dare stop now. This makes me double down with my thinking they all were very close at one time. One big happy family. Gabby’s mom said she trusted Brian to keep her safe. That’s a lot of trust. That’s why she could NOT understand why the Laundries wouldn’t speak to her. That right there was enough to blow her away. No wonder she knew something was immediately wrong. Oh gosh, this is so sad. “Familiarity breeds contempt” is maybe what this whole case is about. Gabby and Brian too.
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A Cherokee elder was teaching her young granddaughter about life.

"A fight is going on inside me," she said to the girl. It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil - she is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, self-doubt and ego. The other is good - she is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith. The girl thought about it for a minute and then asked her grandmother. "Which wolf will win?" The grandmother replied, "The one you feed.”


I love this proverb. I think about it a lot and have come to think some of us are parts of each wolf. I think I am, at least. There is no absolute wolf. There is no winner here. I’m mad and sad and believe all want justice. Gabby was good ~ therefore Brian is bad is illogical. I’ve not thought of Brian as a typical abuser. I think Brian was once a good guy. I do…

Thank you for that post. And remembering the Cherokee Proverb. I think you are completely right. Something happened. We dont know yet how it went so wrong.
 
If its of any comfort, Brian has been elevated by his behavior and the behavior of his handlers to the level of a bounty hunter's Holy Grail. Take a look at the seething anger of the protesters outside the Laundrie lair. A LOT of people are insanely angry at Brian. The general public may be in danger of Brian's lack of self-control, be HE's got a world of danger surrounding him.
Case in point. Remember Richard Ramierez aka The Night Stalker? Shortly after being named a suspect in a string of grisly murders, he got front page news and a full frontal. When he got off his bus and saw his face on the cover of the daily news, he decided to head for a residential neighborhood to hide out. He was spotted, recognized, and the entire neighborhood piled on him. If the police hadn't responded to a call from the neighbors, he would have been beaten to death. El Diablo. Those people were NOT interested in his story, an assumption of innocence, or a jury trial. They wanted him dead, dead, dead. By the time the cops arrived, his face looked like two pounds of ground round.
Right now, there's a $180K bounty on his head, the FBI, the US Marshals, local law enforcement, INTERPOL, and every bounty hunter wannabe has Brian on the brain. Brian evades gainful employment for a living. He's not a professional fugitive. He has a few options: he can be turned in by his handlers, he can turn himself in, he can put a bullet in his brain (or Joe Ray Bob the fat guy in camo can do it) or he can run until he's gone completely crazy and is doing who knows what among the general population until he is mercifully captured by professionals. If the Laundries (daughter included) are proven to have done even the remotest thing to aid in his escape: no more lawn mowing, no more cozy home, no more business, no more retirement nest egg, no more bouncing the grandkids on their knees. The lawyers will own them...at the least. LE doesn't like being made fools of.
So Brian's problems have been compounded by the idiotic decisions made by himself and his handlers. Whatever chance he had to tell his side, negotiate with LE and cut plea deals is slipping away moment to moment. For whatever unknown reason, Mr. Laundrie Sr. either doesn't realize all this stuff...or doesn't care (cue that big grin during the phony "search" in gator paradise). If their business isn't sapping away as we speak, I would be surprised. Their safety, their future, their old age, their savings, their lives are dwindling away. Imagine having all of that rolling around in your noggin when your head hits the pillow at night.
This saga is nowhere near over. Patience.

The Night Stalker case was a true manhunt. It was on *every* local news channel, and of course, authorities had every reason to believe he was somewhere in SoCal, most likely LA County, but. perhaps Riverside or San Bernardino Counties. Orange and San Diego Counties got the same blast. That was in the days where there was no internet news. And it was in every local newspaper and in the condo complex where I lived, it's all that anyone talked about. It was terrifying (we lived near where one of the earlier murders occurred - in fact, one of the murders were one half of the couple survived and helped with his identification). I went out and bought doweling to block the windows and sliding glass door, because that was his most common way of entering. I still have the little hacksaw I bought to go with it - and within a day or so, there was no doweling left at Home Depot. I was home alone with a 2 year old that weekend. I don't think I slept much at all.

Sure enough, the blast worked. They were running scrolling letters across most TV shows (CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox and local channels did this). LE figured that this blast would flush him out - and it did. They had a psychiatric team assisting them, who had looked at the length of time he went in between attacks and thought it was the right time to push.

Richard Ramirez was highly recognizable. The teeth, etc. Unfortunately for that man who had the US Marshall's come to his door with guns drawn, he looked enough like BL (despite being the wrong age, etc and really, IMO, not resembling BL all that much). Out here in California, no one is talking about BL. People have heard about the Van Life Girl who was murdered, but have the details mixed up in their minds with the Van Life couple in Moab. At any rate, no one in either of my daughters' condo/apt complexes are talking about it and my younger daughter is too busy with a new job right now to be watching the news (not to mention that she and her husband do not listen to news, even on the internet, when their daughter is watching - too grim for kids).

I would definitely recognize BL or his doppelganger, because I've memorized several metrics, including the way he stands and the size of his hands. Around here, many guys pull their long sleeved t-shirts down to the tips of their fingers when out and about (probably to hide tattoos). Wearing a hoodie even when it's hot was explained to me as a way of hiding tattoos, but it also hides ears. life.
 
and I think this is the clip which imstilla.grandma connected to it , later in the thread.
(Maybe any WSer who is familiar with the local area would able to confirm but unfortunately Brian Entin doesn't name the neighbourhood which CL & FBI stopped at, after the trip to the Reserve)
https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1446288963073888259

Yes, that is the neighborhood CL and the FBI drove through followed by Brian Entin and other press.
 
Would you turn your child in (or hypothetical child, if you don't have children) for any crime they'd committed?

I mean literally any crime, from speeding 3mph over the speed limit, to parking somewhere they shouldn't, to being involved in a fight, to a potential murder?
This is a straw man argument.
Definition: having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.
MOO.
 
Neither parent started contacting the Laundries until the 10th.

Interviewer
Did you ever reach out to her and say "can you please help me find my daughter?"

Gabby's mum
Yes I reached out to her on Friday the 9th or the 10th I'm sorry. I texted her "I'm worried about the kids, I haven't heard from them" and I got nothing. Called left messages, got nothing.

Interviewer
She won't even call you back?

Gabby's mum
Nope.

Interviewer
And Joe you and Tara, you've reached out and they won't call you back?

Gabby's dad
We've called on the 10th, I can't tell you how many times. We sent text messages "We're worried", "we're calling the police". I mean if someone texted me that they're calling the police because they can't find my son, I'm gonna drop whatever I'm doing to call back. I guess it's evident how they run their household.

Step-mum
She knew her son was home that time when we were texting her. At that point we didn't know that he was home.

Interview with Gabby's parents

Gabby's dad

We've called on the 10th, I can't tell you how many times. We sent text messages "We're worried", "we're calling the police". I mean if someone texted me that they're calling the police because they can't find my son, I'm gonna drop whatever I'm doing to call back. I guess it's evident how they run their household."

In my opinion the Laundries contacted the lawyer either when Brian returned home with the van and no Gabby or on the 10th when they got this message. When the cops showed up on the 11th they were ready.
 
I have been wondering something that I haven’t understood this entire time. I’m thinking someone here can explain it to me? The articles I’ve read stating the Laundries refused to let NPPD speak to BL are confusing to me. He’s not a minor. Why do the parents have any say in that situation? Is it just poorly worded and possibly means that they refused to let LE into their residence and that’s where BL was sitting? I’m just not understanding how the parents came into play in this situation and why BL didn’t have to say “please speak to my attorney.”

Does anyone have some insight that I do not? It’s not a big deal but I haven’t understood it this entire case. This article more explicitly states that the Laundries didn’t let LE into their house… Brian Laundrie's father refuses to let cops talk to his son in the Gabby Petito case. - Techno Trenz

For instance I’m wondering how BL communicated to LE that SB was representing him if he never spoke to them. He’s not a minor so can the parents still speak to that?

LE did not have a warrant for his arrest at that time. Laundries refused to allow LE into the house and did not confirm or deny whether BL was there, AFAIK. They just handed LE their lawyers' business card and apparently said "He's representing ourselves and BL, talk to him."

People have the right to do that, until an arrest warrant takes that right away. No one has to allow LE into their house, just like you don't have to talk to them, unless they have a subpoena for a search or a warrant for arrest. They had neither at that point - they were contacting the Laundries about a missing persons case and the Laundries referred them to their lawyer and since then, while BL was apparently seen by neighbors, the neighbors wouldn't have known the situation either.

I think that LE, at that point, was asking after Gabby, anyway. She was the missing person. Did they even say, "She's not here"?
 
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