Actually, I wasn't just talking about money, JMO
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I dunno--whatever is above the balcony looks the same height to me as the windows on the lower level.
That would be some short French doors.
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But what did he grab to cut her down WITH, and where did he grab this item from?
I'm not arguing with you, just throwing out a question.
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from a MSM link.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15119133/waiting-for-answers-in-mansion-deaths-mystery
From the photos on the Fox 5 site, clear pictures of the round table directly underneath the balcony. With a broken leg (on the house side of it). In that location it is also smack over the top of the walkway, where one would not normally expect to find a table.
For the sake of decency, I'm not going to post any of those death scene photos here.
I believe either she placed it there to launch herself off, or Adam moved it there to cut her down. Leg may have broken when she jumped off it? Or tried to kick it away (this presumes suicide). Or broke from weight of Adam and/or Rebecca.
Same table with broken leg seen leaving as evidence at the same time as an apparent rolled up rug and a framed picture.
to revise the 6 or 7 step process I listed out fairly early in the Thread 1, that would make suicide possible, even if not necessarily likely...
1) Rebecca ties one end of rope around rails on the balcony. Then drops rest over the edge, with noose already tied.
2) goes outside, now buck naked if she wasn't already in step 1 above.
3) binds her ankles with perhaps excess electrical cord (appears to be orange around them, so my best guess)
4) puts noose over head
5) binds her hands in front of her. Was reported early on with electrical cord. Somehow gets her legs thru her arms so that her arms are now behind her.
6) kicks table away, and possibly it breaks a table leg in the process.
where I have problem is did she sit/stand on the table to maneuver her legs thru arms? Not a heck of a lot of wiggle room up, and unless she was able to stick her head thru a large noose left hanging AFTER getting her arms behind her, she would have had to do that with the noose presumably tightening around her neck already from bending, sitting, whatever.
If said scenario worked that way, her feet wouldn't have been very far off the ground, but still far enough that Adam may have grabbed the table (if already broken) and propped it upright against the house for some support in a hurry to get up high enough to cut her down.
Or broke it when he got up there to cut her down.
Comes down to if you believe she chose to take her own life, but based on what little we know, at this juncture I think it's certainly feasible.
One late night phone call from Jonah to tell her she needed to leave, or that poor Max was never going to come home alive, either one could have been the trigger.
As to comments about the scene showing a lot of "anger" I wonder if the framed painting, photo, or whatever they took had been used to leave a "message" of sorts. I.e. spray painted, slashed, in some way destroyed.
Still curious as to the rug. Perhaps merely she chose to disrobe and leave clothes on it. I doubt they are going to find bloody socks or gloves, but if her clothing was there, it departs to check for DNA, fibers, hairs, whatever else they'd look at to see if another person was there.
heck, bring in Dr Vass and his sniffer.
I do recall something from an earlier LE interview that suggested that room was in some level of disarray, but will have to dig to see if I can find it.
Did Rebecca perhaps trash the bedroom out of anger or great sense of despair (or both), or was there a huge struggle?
Patiently we wait for LE to conclude its investigation.
"There are documentations of incidents throughout the country where people have secured their feet and hands as well to commit suicide, so we have to keep an open mind," San Diego County Sheriff's Department Sgt. Roy Frank said.
The motivation is so they can't change their minds and free themselves.
"Some of the psychologists will tell you once that decision is made, there is an urge of self-preservation, and this is one way to preclude oneself from stopping an attempt to end their life," Coronado Police Chief Louis Scanlon said.
One possible suicide theory is that Zahau might have hung the noose from the balcony, binding her hands and feet before stepping off a table. A table was one of the items taken from the mansion as evidence.
The motivation is so they can't change their minds and free themselves.
"Some of the psychologists will tell you once that decision is made, there is an urge of self-preservation, and this is one way to preclude oneself from stopping an attempt to end their life," Coronado Police Chief Louis Scanlon said.
One possible suicide theory is that Zahau might have hung the noose from the balcony, binding her hands and feet before stepping off a table. A table was one of the items taken from the mansion as evidence.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15119133/waiting-for-answers-in-mansion-deaths-mystery
From the photos on the Fox 5 site, clear pictures of the round table directly underneath the balcony. With a broken leg (on the house side of it). In that location it is also smack over the top of the walkway, where one would not normally expect to find a table.
For the sake of decency, I'm not going to post any of those death scene photos here.
I believe either she placed it there to launch herself off, or Adam moved it there to cut her down. Leg may have broken when she jumped off it? Or tried to kick it away (this presumes suicide). Or broke from weight of Adam and/or Rebecca.
Same table with broken leg seen leaving as evidence at the same time as an apparent rolled up rug and a framed picture.
to revise the 6 or 7 step process I listed out fairly early in the Thread 1, that would make suicide possible, even if not necessarily likely...
1) Rebecca ties one end of rope around rails on the balcony. Then drops rest over the edge, with noose already tied.
2) goes outside, now buck naked if she wasn't already in step 1 above.
3) binds her ankles with perhaps excess electrical cord (appears to be orange around them, so my best guess)
4) puts noose over head
5) binds her hands in front of her. Was reported early on with electrical cord. Somehow gets her legs thru her arms so that her arms are now behind her.
6) kicks table away, and possibly it breaks a table leg in the process.
where I have problem is did she sit/stand on the table to maneuver her legs thru arms? Not a heck of a lot of wiggle room up, and unless she was able to stick her head thru a large noose left hanging AFTER getting her arms behind her, she would have had to do that with the noose presumably tightening around her neck already from bending, sitting, whatever.
If said scenario worked that way, her feet wouldn't have been very far off the ground, but still far enough that Adam may have grabbed the table (if already broken) and propped it upright against the house for some support in a hurry to get up high enough to cut her down.
Or broke it when he got up there to cut her down.
Comes down to if you believe she chose to take her own life, but based on what little we know, at this juncture I think it's certainly feasible.
One late night phone call from Jonah to tell her she needed to leave, or that poor Max was never going to come home alive, either one could have been the trigger.
As to comments about the scene showing a lot of "anger" I wonder if the framed painting, photo, or whatever they took had been used to leave a "message" of sorts. I.e. spray painted, slashed, in some way destroyed.
Still curious as to the rug. Perhaps merely she chose to disrobe and leave clothes on it. I doubt they are going to find bloody socks or gloves, but if her clothing was there, it departs to check for DNA, fibers, hairs, whatever else they'd look at to see if another person was there.
heck, bring in Dr Vass and his sniffer.
I do recall something from an earlier LE interview that suggested that room was in some level of disarray, but will have to dig to see if I can find it.
Did Rebecca perhaps trash the bedroom out of anger or great sense of despair (or both), or was there a huge struggle?
Patiently we wait for LE to conclude its investigation.
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that just shows you how engulfed I am in the new case.. HOW the heck did I not name Target.. Her home away from home!
To keep on topic, I am trying to enhance and enlarge the un-pixelated photo of RN's death. Very sad
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Not so sure she's welcome in Target any longer. Unless they want to smack one of their logos on her back as she exits the store.
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Great, check out the blue scarf (?) for us, Please
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I think they could have put a tent up so no above shots could be taken, this I find was disgusting.
As opposed to what?
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I really have more faith in LE than that. It would mean the entire police force would have to be in on it. I find that unrealistic. This isnt about taking care of a speeding ticket and making it go away.
If they determine it was a suicide then IMO it was a suicide. And I don't find that an unreasonable option either. In fact I really lean much more to a tragic suicide than homicide even now.
Lots of rich and powerful people have been arrested and convicted for criminal wrongdoings. Some serving LWOP or on death row.
So just because the home owner has money does not convince me LE would just let whomever is responsible for the homicide (IF there was one) get off.
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If the 15 detectives they have working this case, conclude suicide what is left to say.
It's not like they are giving up any clues.
I would like to know about the painting.
IMO
It's not like they are giving up any clues.
I would like to know about the painting.
IMO
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Yes, there is a blue scarf, flowing, laid over the grass extending from her neck, it sort of follows the rope for about 2 feet...as if there was a scarf around her neck also. The bindings are red.
Her hair is long, flowing on the grass, her ankles were reported to have bindings but they were not bound together, however, I must say, the photo with her laid out, they appear to be bound together, her legs are slightly apart at the knees and if she fell naturally or was cut, the legs would seem to me to be flopped and they are together at the ankle.. as if tied at the ankle...
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New thread. Perfect place start posting the facts.
Anyone else with facts, please add to this.
The Players:
Jonah Shacknai. Founder, chairman and CEO of the Medicis Pharmaceutical Corporation, a company that specializes in dermatological products, since 1988. Medicis makes acne treatments Solodyn and Ziana and facial wrinkle treatment Restylane and Dysport, a competitor of Botox. Last year, the company earned $123 million on $700 million in revenue.
Summer home in Coronado, CA. Main residence in Paradise Valley, AZ.
Adam Shacknai. Brother and only sibling of Jonah. Lives in Memphis. Has a connection to a tugboat company (works for? owns?). Staying at one/the only? of the Coronado guesthouses.
Both brothers heavily involved in charitable work involving special needs children
Adam and Jonah were born in Suffern, New York. Parents Gideon and Selma, who died in 1999 of cancer. Selma was an educator and therapist. Gideon Shacknai still lives in Suffern, where an identified woman (caregiver?) answered the phone when he ws called regarding the death of his grandson, Max.
Kimberley Shacknai/James. Met Jonah while working as a pharmaceuticals saleswoman for rival Johnson & Johnson. Married Jonah in April of 93 in Bel Air, Ca. Divorced Jonah in 1993. In his divorce filing with Kimberly Shacknai, he filed a tax return that showed his income in 1998 at $16,991,304. Marriage troubled from the start. Now married to Ian C. James. Lives in Paradise Valley and Salem, South Carolina. Kimberly A. Shacknai Revocable Trust.
(Note to those sleuthing her name, there seems to be two in Arizona)
Kimberley and Jonah have two children, G (a girl) and E (a boy) which were the subject of a custody dispute.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/16/spreckels-mansion-owner-described-go-getter/?ap
Dina Romano, a child psychologist, married Jonah as his second wife. Divorce records sealed, but the mansion in Arizona is supposed to be hers (see above link). Divorced in 2008. Divorce was acrimonious.
Speculation:
Neighbor is quoted as saying, in regards to Jonah's attempt to renovate the Spreckles' Mansion after getting a tax break for promising not to do so,
and I wonder how much of this arrogance had to do with his two divorces.
Rebecca Zahru/Nalepa. Girlfriend and possible fiancee of Jonah. Burmese; European upbringing. Previously married to Neil Nalepa. Their divorce was finalized in February. Began work in April 2008 in Scottsdale, Az. as a certified ophthalmic technician at Horizon Eye Specialists & Lasik Center.
Below is a link to the petition to restore her maiden name of Zahru
http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Family Court/052011/m4731581.pdf
Rebecca is also known as-
http://www.zomidaily.com/news/world-english/3463
Speculation: I wonder if this means her parents were refugees?
Mary Zahau-Loehner, Rebecca's sister, lives in St. Joseph, Missouri. Last spoke to Rebecca Tuesday night. Married to Douglas. P. Loehner. Married June 2010. He is a policeman.
Can't find anything on Neil Nalepa.
If anyone reads Burmese?, Chinworld (see above link regarding Rebecca's parents) seems to have a lot of info on Rebecca.
Unrelated note:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com
Anyone else with facts, please add to this.
The Players:
Jonah Shacknai. Founder, chairman and CEO of the Medicis Pharmaceutical Corporation, a company that specializes in dermatological products, since 1988. Medicis makes acne treatments Solodyn and Ziana and facial wrinkle treatment Restylane and Dysport, a competitor of Botox. Last year, the company earned $123 million on $700 million in revenue.
Summer home in Coronado, CA. Main residence in Paradise Valley, AZ.
Adam Shacknai. Brother and only sibling of Jonah. Lives in Memphis. Has a connection to a tugboat company (works for? owns?). Staying at one/the only? of the Coronado guesthouses.
Both brothers heavily involved in charitable work involving special needs children
Adam and Jonah were born in Suffern, New York. Parents Gideon and Selma, who died in 1999 of cancer. Selma was an educator and therapist. Gideon Shacknai still lives in Suffern, where an identified woman (caregiver?) answered the phone when he ws called regarding the death of his grandson, Max.
Kimberley Shacknai/James. Met Jonah while working as a pharmaceuticals saleswoman for rival Johnson & Johnson. Married Jonah in April of 93 in Bel Air, Ca. Divorced Jonah in 1993. In his divorce filing with Kimberly Shacknai, he filed a tax return that showed his income in 1998 at $16,991,304. Marriage troubled from the start. Now married to Ian C. James. Lives in Paradise Valley and Salem, South Carolina. Kimberly A. Shacknai Revocable Trust.
(Note to those sleuthing her name, there seems to be two in Arizona)
Kimberley and Jonah have two children, G (a girl) and E (a boy) which were the subject of a custody dispute.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/16/spreckels-mansion-owner-described-go-getter/?ap
Dina Romano, a child psychologist, married Jonah as his second wife. Divorce records sealed, but the mansion in Arizona is supposed to be hers (see above link). Divorced in 2008. Divorce was acrimonious.
Speculation:
Neighbor is quoted as saying, in regards to Jonah's attempt to renovate the Spreckles' Mansion after getting a tax break for promising not to do so,
and I wonder how much of this arrogance had to do with his two divorces.
Rebecca Zahru/Nalepa. Girlfriend and possible fiancee of Jonah. Burmese; European upbringing. Previously married to Neil Nalepa. Their divorce was finalized in February. Began work in April 2008 in Scottsdale, Az. as a certified ophthalmic technician at Horizon Eye Specialists & Lasik Center.
Below is a link to the petition to restore her maiden name of Zahru
http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Family Court/052011/m4731581.pdf
Rebecca is also known as-
http://www.zomidaily.com/news/world-english/3463
Speculation: I wonder if this means her parents were refugees?
Mary Zahau-Loehner, Rebecca's sister, lives in St. Joseph, Missouri. Last spoke to Rebecca Tuesday night. Married to Douglas. P. Loehner. Married June 2010. He is a policeman.
Can't find anything on Neil Nalepa.
If anyone reads Burmese?, Chinworld (see above link regarding Rebecca's parents) seems to have a lot of info on Rebecca.
Unrelated note:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com
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she is laying on her left hip, sort of on her side, her face is looking straight up at the sky
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New thread. Perfect place to start over.
Okay, I'm confused and so, I'm assuming, there must be others here just as confused.
Anyone else with facts, please add to this.
The Players:
Jonah Shacknai. Founder, chairman and CEO of the Medicis Pharmaceutical Corporation, a company that specializes in dermatological products, since 1988. Medicis makes acne treatments Solodyn and Ziana and facial wrinkle treatment Restylane and Dysport, a competitor of Botox. Last year, the company earned $123 million on $700 million in revenue.
Summer home in Coronado, CA. Main residence in Paradise Valley, AZ.
Adam Shacknai. Brother and only sibling of Jonah. Lives in Memphis. Has a connection to a tugboat company (works for? owns?). Staying at one/the only? of the Coronado guesthouses.
Both brothers heavily involved in charitable work involving special needs children
Adam and Jonah were born in Suffern, New York. Parents Gideon and Selma, who died in 1999 of cancer. Selma was an educator and therapist. Gideon Shacknai still lives in Suffern, where an identified answered the phone when he ws called regarding the death of his grandson, Max.
Kimberley Shacknai/James. Met Jonah while working as a pharmaceuticals saleswoman for rival Johnson & Johnson. Married Jonah in April of 93 in Bel Air, Ca. Divorced Jonah in 1993. In his divorce filing with Kimberly Shacknai, he filed a tax return that showed his income in 1998 at $16,991,304. Marriage troubled from the start. Now married to Ian C. James. Lives in Paradise Valley and Salem, South Carolina. Kimberly A. Shacknai Revocable Trust.
(Note to those sleuthing her name, there seems to be two in Arizona)
Kimberley and Jonah have two children, G (a girl) and E (a boy) which were the subject of a custody dispute.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/16/spreckels-mansion-owner-described-go-getter/?ap
Dina Romano, a child psychologist, married Jonah as his second wife. Divorce records sealed, but the mansion in Arizona is supposed to be hers (see above link). Divorced in 2008. Divorce was acrimonious.
Speculation:
Neighbor is quoted as saying, in regards to Jonah's attempt to renovate the Spreckles' Mansion after getting a tax break for promising not to do so,
and I wonder how much of this arrogance had to do with his two divorces.
Rebecca Zahru/Nalepa. Girlfriend and possible fiancee of Jonah. Burmese; European upbringing. Previously married to Neil Nalepa. Their divorce was finalized in February. Began work in April 2008 in Scottsdale, Az. as a certified ophthalmic technician at Horizon Eye Specialists & Lasik Center.
Below is a link to the petition to restore her maiden name of Zahru
http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Family Court/052011/m4731581.pdf
Rebecca is also known as-
http://www.zomidaily.com/news/world-english/3463
Speculation: I wonder if this means her parents were refugees?
Mary Zahau-Loehner, Rebecca's sister, lives in St. Joseph, Missouri. Last spoke to Rebecca Tuesday night. Married to Douglas. P. Loehner. Married June 2010. He is a policeman.
Can't find anything on Neil Nalepa.
If anyone reads Burmese?, Chinworld (see above linmk regarding Rebecca's parents) seems to have a lot of info on Rebecca.
Unrelated note:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com
Okay, I'm confused and so, I'm assuming, there must be others here just as confused.
Anyone else with facts, please add to this.
The Players:
Jonah Shacknai. Founder, chairman and CEO of the Medicis Pharmaceutical Corporation, a company that specializes in dermatological products, since 1988. Medicis makes acne treatments Solodyn and Ziana and facial wrinkle treatment Restylane and Dysport, a competitor of Botox. Last year, the company earned $123 million on $700 million in revenue.
Summer home in Coronado, CA. Main residence in Paradise Valley, AZ.
Adam Shacknai. Brother and only sibling of Jonah. Lives in Memphis. Has a connection to a tugboat company (works for? owns?). Staying at one/the only? of the Coronado guesthouses.
Both brothers heavily involved in charitable work involving special needs children
Adam and Jonah were born in Suffern, New York. Parents Gideon and Selma, who died in 1999 of cancer. Selma was an educator and therapist. Gideon Shacknai still lives in Suffern, where an identified answered the phone when he ws called regarding the death of his grandson, Max.
Kimberley Shacknai/James. Met Jonah while working as a pharmaceuticals saleswoman for rival Johnson & Johnson. Married Jonah in April of 93 in Bel Air, Ca. Divorced Jonah in 1993. In his divorce filing with Kimberly Shacknai, he filed a tax return that showed his income in 1998 at $16,991,304. Marriage troubled from the start. Now married to Ian C. James. Lives in Paradise Valley and Salem, South Carolina. Kimberly A. Shacknai Revocable Trust.
(Note to those sleuthing her name, there seems to be two in Arizona)
Kimberley and Jonah have two children, G (a girl) and E (a boy) which were the subject of a custody dispute.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/16/spreckels-mansion-owner-described-go-getter/?ap
Dina Romano, a child psychologist, married Jonah as his second wife. Divorce records sealed, but the mansion in Arizona is supposed to be hers (see above link). Divorced in 2008. Divorce was acrimonious.
Speculation:
Neighbor is quoted as saying, in regards to Jonah's attempt to renovate the Spreckles' Mansion after getting a tax break for promising not to do so,
and I wonder how much of this arrogance had to do with his two divorces.
Rebecca Zahru/Nalepa. Girlfriend and possible fiancee of Jonah. Burmese; European upbringing. Previously married to Neil Nalepa. Their divorce was finalized in February. Began work in April 2008 in Scottsdale, Az. as a certified ophthalmic technician at Horizon Eye Specialists & Lasik Center.
Below is a link to the petition to restore her maiden name of Zahru
http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Family Court/052011/m4731581.pdf
Rebecca is also known as-
http://www.zomidaily.com/news/world-english/3463
Speculation: I wonder if this means her parents were refugees?
Mary Zahau-Loehner, Rebecca's sister, lives in St. Joseph, Missouri. Last spoke to Rebecca Tuesday night. Married to Douglas. P. Loehner. Married June 2010. He is a policeman.
Can't find anything on Neil Nalepa.
If anyone reads Burmese?, Chinworld (see above linmk regarding Rebecca's parents) seems to have a lot of info on Rebecca.
Unrelated note:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com
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But her feet were not bound together -- you can see in the photo there is a bit of distance between both feet, giving her plenty of wiggle room. If she jumped off that table, she could have very easily kicked it with force - IMHO.
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Or sliced and diced him.
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