Dr.Fessel
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You know, the more I listen to this 911 call made by GZ, the more convinced I am that it is indeed the sound of a gun being cocked.
Just before he says his last name is Zimmerman, you can hear that cocking noise. (2:13)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/vide...e-Zimmerman-911-call-reporting-Trayvon-Martin
Our member, Anadarko posted this video a while back, showing us the sounds of the exact same gun. The noises are extremely similar to me.
PF9 - YouTube
Please compare the sounds. It's remarkable.
To get a bullet in the chamber you have to *advertiser censored* it.His was a double action only trigger, IIRC. So there would have been no reason for him to "*advertiser censored*" it. IMO
I think many of those that donated probably feel they same way I do: I was not there, I don't know what happened, I'm going to wait until the evidence is presented to make an informed decision. In having that view, I have become very frustrated with the witch hunt that has been occurring. I think, possibly, many that donated, did so not because they are sure it was a syg situation, or that they think GZ is innocent, but because they feel it could be a way to support in getting him a fair trial. Just because people say that GZ didn't give TM a fair chance doesn't mean we should abandon our principles and not give GZ his day in court.
To me, a major decider in my decision is who physically attacked first. To others it might be GZ following. To others it might be GZ following with a gun. I'll be interested in seeing the evidence and hearing the arguments. Something else might pop up that would help shape my decision. I don't know what happened, I'm unsure of intent, I'm unsure the dispatchers authority, I'm unsure if GZ was really returning to his truck, but I will wait until i can make a more informed decision. Moo
To get a bullet in the chamber you have to *advertiser censored* it.
His was a double action only trigger, IIRC. So there would have been no reason for him to "*advertiser censored*" it. IMO
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I wouldn't count on that, though -- that he doesn't think he did anything wrong. My hunch, based on multiple experiences with people whose choices have led to tragic consequences, is that George would give anything to go back to that night and make some different choices. Self defense or not, because of some decisions he made that night a young man is now gone forever, he himself will go down in history as a monster, and emotions are seething everywhere. There are no do-overs. The consequences are forever, regardless of what happens with the criminal case. Yeah, I'll bet George now wishes he could have done some things very differently that night. IMO
The gun cocking sound followed by swearing, then followed by the (solid taps) could be palm hits on the bottom of the magazine. Whan he cocked the gun as I mentioned before - his thumb position may have inadvertently released the magazine. Hence the swear and solid tapping sounds that came next. Then there is another thing that could happened, but this I doubt unless he was a bumbling idiot. He could have cocked the pistol not realizing that there was already one in the chamber. This bullet would have been ejected but at what force I'm not sure. It might have landed in the grass. With it being dark and if he didn't find it that night it could very well still be there. If found with a search using a metal detector. This would give solid evidence as to where he was at that time he was talking to the operator. The pistol magazine holds seven. However, with one in the chamber the magazine could be removed to add an additional round that would give it eight. Even with the slightest chance I pray all this stuff will be investigated from the tape. I found some info last night that some owners who have reported issues with GZ's gun, the Kel-tec PF-9. Some owners have had problems with the magazine spring and catch which may cause the magazine to become unseated. If thr magazine could fall out and in a struggle TM may have been able to use it as a weapon to hit GZ in the head with before he was shot. This should be checked for TM's fingerprints as well.
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This is followed by a rather strange sound that I can only describe as like that of a screech from a cockatoo. ???
Pulling the trigger "*advertiser censored*" the gun....and thus, "double action".
You have to *advertiser censored* it to get the first bullet into the chamber. After that shooting a bullet *advertiser censored* the gun automatically.
I think that were talking about a sound heard on the 911 tape. If you have a DAO pistol you should not have to *advertiser censored* it. Therefore no sound. It's designed to have a round in the chamber at all times and only fires when you pull the trigger. Think of it being like a double action revolver.
I think that were talking about a sound heard on the 911 tape. If you have a DAO pistol you should not have to *advertiser censored* it. Therefore no sound. It's designed to have a round in the chamber at all times and only fires when you pull the trigger. Think of it being like a double action revolver.
So if you have an empty gun and you put the magazine with bullets into it you don't have to slide back the slide to pickup a bullet and put it into the chamber?
So if you have an empty gun and you put the magazine with bullets into it you don't have to slide back the slide to pickup a bullet and put it into the chamber?