NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#30

[squizzey1]

I so hope you're right Ooohm. For the most part I think he will go down big time, but occasionally I think 'what if he did get off?' There would be absolute outrage for a start.

I know what you mean about feeling angry, I feel the same often. Other times I have sat here and bawled my eyes out for Allison, and her family, even though I never knew her.

dont hurt yourself justice will prevail , just a pity we may have to wait 3 bloody years for it though MOO

 

[squizzey1]

The brother looks nice, doesnt have the evil eyes that Gerard and Olivia have.

maybe losing your judgement a bit can anything BC look nice ? but i see your point lol

 

[LightningJack]

It has been reported in MSM that two of GBC's loans were due and payable on 30 June 2012. I believe these were amounts of $200,000 to Jocelyn Frost and $90,000 to Ben B. - both of these people were former business partners in C21 who left last year. I don't think we can assume that there was no pressure from those who provided GBC with money via a 'gentleman's agreement'...but conversely as you say perhaps there wasn't! However if any of this money came from TM, then of course there was 'pressure'.....GBC put this pressure on himself by giving her a deadline of 1 July to 'be with her'. Maybe it's a 'beat up' by the QPS, but facts are facts!

No offense, but if you are going to say "its been reported" with something so obscure, please provide a link.

Again, $290,000 is not a lot of money. Perhaps it was 30 years ago and perhaps it still is to a blue collar, but for this kind of business it is next to nothing.

GBC was a qualified accountant and spent a good part of his working life as one. What is GBC's PERSONAL debt? I won't believe for a moment that a qualified accountant would allow any of the above to be personal debt. You can be sure that the business was Pty Ltd, meaning that should the business go bankrupt, its essentially no skin off the nose of GBC.

Why is the guarantor in there as a debt? Its just a beat up. Yes, say "One Million Dollars" and sure, the bulk of the population (blue collar) will say "Oh my!!", so padding the figures with an extra $335K makes it look so much more disastrous.

Would GBC kill his wife because of a $290K debt? <mod snip> he's aleady proved that he can raise cash when he needs to. Its a QPS beat up, simple as that.

 

[Wozzle]

What the heck is all this blather Wobble???

TLC??? i cant recall??? and 'In the toilet I believe, your Honour'??????

What is this amateur hour???????

Crikey!!! Everyone knows you address the wig as 'Your Majesty'!!!!!

and you call yourself a good citizen!!!!

:hills::hills:

But Sir Gregory - in my defence....he wasn't WEARING a wig!!! (Thank goodness - heaven knows what might have come out of my mouth had he been in the full regalia - and I had a mob of students with me that day as I was educating, and thought it would be a great 'learning' experience for them!) We were also told that on entering the court we had to 'bow' from the waist. So did I? (Not telling! :blushing

Sorry people for being a little silly, but I guess it's an example of how we need to concentrate on the important things in court - like seeing justice being served. Seems to me that GBCs legal defence situation is becoming something of a sideshow - it's gonna be a hellava movie 'Feet of Clay', isn't it? I hope some of the proceeds can be siphoned off for the girls and other good causes eg. scholarships in Allison's name.

 

[elmo343]

I agree Fuskier, someone could easily have planted this. I found what I think might be the website that was mentioned, but I couldn't see Allison's name under Brisbane. Maybe I was looking at the wrong website.

I'm sure my name will probably pop up all over the place online when I'm gone one day too. I have registrations and memberships with all sorts of things online. It's just a harmless registration wtih a car pooling organisation, what could possibly be the motive of someone "planting" it??? I really don't think it is the case to go reporting it to the police with every time you see Alison's name online, unless it is something illegal or derrogatory.

 

[possumheart]

No offense, but if you are going to say "its been reported" with something so obscure, please provide a link.

Again, $290,000 is not a lot of money. Perhaps it was 30 years ago and perhaps it still is to a blue collar, but for this kind of business it is next to nothing.

GBC was a qualified accountant and spent a good part of his working life as one. What is GBC's PERSONAL debt? I won't believe for a moment that a qualified accountant would allow any of the above to be personal debt. You can be sure that the business was Pty Ltd, meaning that should the business go bankrupt, its essentially no skin off the nose of GBC.

Why is the guarantor in there as a debt? Its just a beat up. Yes, say "One Million Dollars" and sure, the bulk of the population (blue collar) will say "Oh my!!", so padding the figures with an extra $335K makes it look so much more disastrous.

Would GBC kill his wife because of a $290K debt? Don't be stupid, he's aleady proved that he can raise cash when he needs to. Its a QPS beat up, simple as that.

No offense taken, but this white collar thinks that his finances looked messy as reported by MSM.

 

[marlywings]

No offense taken, but this white collar thinks that his finances looked messy as reported by MSM.

Yes exactly possum...

Among the debts listed were:

•$275,000 owed in "gentlemen's agreements" with three friends.
•$200,000 to to a friend in a contracted agreement due for payment on 30 June, 2012.
•$90,000 to another friend in a contracted agreement due for payment on 30 June, 2012.
•$75,000 to a business associate.
•$15,000 in outstanding franchise fees to Century 21 Australia.
•$45,000 credit card debt.
•$58,000 to his parents. (identified through a financial analysis ordered by police).


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...d-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz1yx6DAxTy

 

[FirstTimer]

No offense, but if you are going to say "its been reported" with something so obscure, please provide a link.

Again, $290,000 is not a lot of money. Perhaps it was 30 years ago and perhaps it still is to a blue collar, but for this kind of business it is next to nothing.

GBC was a qualified accountant and spent a good part of his working life as one. What is GBC's PERSONAL debt? I won't believe for a moment that a qualified accountant would allow any of the above to be personal debt. You can be sure that the business was Pty Ltd, meaning that should the business go bankrupt, its essentially no skin off the nose of GBC.

Why is the guarantor in there as a debt? Its just a beat up. Yes, say "One Million Dollars" and sure, the bulk of the population (blue collar) will say "Oh my!!", so padding the figures with an extra $335K makes it look so much more disastrous.

Would GBC kill his wife because of a $290K debt? Don't be stupid, he's aleady proved that he can raise cash when he needs to. Its a QPS beat up, simple as that.

I do not think the quantity of monies is the issue. I believe it was the pressure building to pay it back. Just because a person has been successful in raising money in the past does not mean that they would find it easy all the time and whenever they wanted too. You can only raise funds from a variety of different means for so long and not expect it all to catch up with you. I believe GBC was at that point. MOO.

Cheers.

 

[marlywings]

No offense, but if you are going to say "its been reported" with something so obscure, please provide a link.

.

Just in case Wozzle wants the link...


Police allege that $290,000 of the debt was due to be paid back by June 30, however they allege their inquiries "have failed to identify any legitimate means of salvaging his debt or finances prior to July 2012 in order to meet his commitment to (Ms) McHugh without a large influx of funds from these insurance policies".

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...d-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz1zWqxXRAf

 

[Bayside]

maybe losing your judgement a bit can anything BC look nice ? but i see your point lol

From what I can tell the brother has dedicated his life to helping others, unlike his worthless brother who was only interested in helping himself.

Probably a good thing the brother got away from the BC Clan here, disgusting excuse for human beings.(see still no swear words lol.)

 

[LightningJack]

I've not seen a mention yet of the day to day debts such as employees wages...have they been paid....if so, where was that money coming from??

You won't see a mention of it, certainly not from the QPS. The fact is that we don't actually know the true financial position of the BUSINESS. As I pointed out earlier, GBC was a qualified accountant, so you may be sure that none of this is persoanl debt - accountants are not that stupid.

If the business went under, so what?

Yes I agree, the one million is probably not unusual...in a business that is running well that is. But in a business that had taken a dramatic downturn & had not been good for a long time....I would think he was in dire financial trouble....& he knew it!!!

The BUSINESS may well have been in financial trouble, but as above, this is business debt, not personal. I doubt somebody who understands finance, as GBC would, would commit murder over it. Thats just unbelievable!

I also don't agree with the one million dollar figure. As I pointed out, being a guarantor is not a debt, so scratch at least $335K from the figure please, then scratch the parent's investment in the business. We are down to $600K max, with only $290K pressing. Sorry, but the "dire financial circumstances" just does not wash. GBC's defense will blow it out of the water.

 

[Bayside]

Yes exactly possum...

Among the debts listed were:

•$275,000 owed in "gentlemen's agreements" with three friends.
•$200,000 to to a friend in a contracted agreement due for payment on 30 June, 2012.
•$90,000 to another friend in a contracted agreement due for payment on 30 June, 2012.
•$75,000 to a business associate.
•$15,000 in outstanding franchise fees to Century 21 Australia.
•$45,000 credit card debt.
•$58,000 to his parents. (identified through a financial analysis ordered by police).


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...d-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz1yx6DAxTy

I believe this debt listed is only part of it anyway.

Hmmmm how much does he now get paid per week?

I think under $10 anyhooooow so I think he is right where he belongs, up shyte creek without a paddle.

 

[Wozzle]

No offense, but if you are going to say "its been reported" with something so obscure, please provide a link.

Again, $290,000 is not a lot of money. Perhaps it was 30 years ago and perhaps it still is to a blue collar, but for this kind of business it is next to nothing.

GBC was a qualified accountant and spent a good part of his working life as one. What is GBC's PERSONAL debt? I won't believe for a moment that a qualified accountant would allow any of the above to be personal debt. You can be sure that the business was Pty Ltd, meaning that should the business go bankrupt, its essentially no skin off the nose of GBC.

Why is the guarantor in there as a debt? Its just a beat up. Yes, say "One Million Dollars" and sure, the bulk of the population (blue collar) will say "Oh my!!", so padding the figures with an extra $335K makes it look so much more disastrous.



Would GBC kill his wife because of a $290K debt? Don't be stupid, he's aleady proved that he can raise cash when he needs to. Its a QPS beat up, simple as that.

No offense taken...but I have a confession. I don't know how to link!! lease: Marlywings are you out there girl? Please help! This info wasn't 'obscure' but provided in MSM. At the end of the day, although the QPS would appear to be using financial reasons as a large part of motive at this stage of the game, it comes down to DID he kill her or not? And if ultimately the evidence is only circumstantial (please nooooooooo) then the financial aspect will be but a mere spoke in the wheel. It's great to read your perspective however.....I have learnt so much from so many posters here over the weeks, so thanks!

Addit: OMG - Marlywings can read my mind! She has answered me before I even asked (thanks honey!)

 

[elmo343]

maybe losing your judgement a bit can anything BC look nice ? but i see your point lol

Seems to me to be a little unfair to go painting the whole family with the same brush. Not really fair to assume that one member of the family is a reflection of the whole family. I do not know any of them personally and am not about to judge any of them on the alleged behaviour of gbc.

I have a brother who was caught stealing and went to jail because of his crime. I never would have thought he would have done something like that, though it did not cloud my judgement of whether he did it or not, he was guilty as charged. But to think that someone would assume that I would be capable of doing the same just because I am his sister???

I feel that this must be a difficult time for his siblings at the moment. Many people will be judging them because of this case. It is hardly wrong of them at the moment though to be supporting their brother through this. I know that if he is guilty of killing abc it is indeed and horrible thing to have done but it does not necessarily mean that his whole family has to turn their back on him. Don't forget that they have a connection and history with him that no-one else here has.

 

[LightningJack]

No probs having a $1m debt if you can service it, however, the perceived lifestyle choices eg leasing a Lexus then a Captiva has costs that are only deductible if you are earning a taxable income.

Thats a better point than you possibly realise.

So the evidence is, from that, that GBC's financial position was not as "dire" as the police made out. Thank you.

Fact is that we do not know his true financial position, or that of the business (why does everybody forget that we have a Pty Ltd company here???) but rather only the QPS bleat that he was in "dire financial strife", with figures that have clearly been padded to make them look as bad as possible.

Let me tell you something about the police. They can look at you, or you, or you or YOU and make you look bad. They are very good at that, believe me.

 

[Bayside]

As I pointed out earlier, GBC was a qualified accountant, so you may be sure that none of this is persoanl debt - accountants are not that stupid.

LOLOLOL...... yeah right.

edited to clarify the LOL's are directed at Gerard being an Accountant and also not being Stooooooopid LOL.

 

[possumheart]

Sorry, but the "dire financial circumstances" just does not wash. GBC's defense will blow it out of the water.

After all, it is in their interests to find him liquid. :clap: They will be banking on it.

 

[Bayside]

Let me tell you something about the police. They can look at you, or you, or you or YOU and make you look bad. They are very good at that, believe me.

And some <modsnip> like Gerard Baden Clay can do that all by himself with no help from the QPS lol.

Hmmm I wanted to attach that link for the supportmurderergerard page so you could sing to your choir but it seems to have closed down all ready, damn.

 

[CaseClosed]

You won't see a mention of it, certainly not from the QPS. The fact is that we don't actually know the true financial position of the BUSINESS. As I pointed out earlier, GBC was a qualified accountant, so you may be sure that none of this is persoanl debt - accountants are not that stupid.

If the business went under, so what?




The BUSINESS may well have been in financial trouble, but as above, this is business debt, not personal. I doubt somebody who understands finance, as GBC would, would commit murder over it. Thats just unbelievable!

I also don't agree with the one million dollar figure. As I pointed out, being a guarantor is not a debt, so scratch at least $335K from the figure please, then scratch the parent's investment in the business. We are down to $600K max, with only $290K pressing. Sorry, but the "dire financial circumstances" just does not wash. GBC's defense will blow it out of the water.

I don't agree with you. Also, there is some doubt about his qualifications and whether he actually completed his degree. If my memory serves me right, he was not registered with any of the industry bodies either.

If you think carrying a business debt of $600K is not concerning (for a small business), then I don't understand your thinking at all (and this comes from a white collar worker!)

 

[marlywings]

You won't see a mention of it, certainly not from the QPS. The fact is that we don't actually know the true financial position of the BUSINESS. As I pointed out earlier, GBC was a qualified accountant, so you may be sure t

In time I think we'll hear a lot more about the finance side of the business...unless you were involved in that business, you, like us on here, don't know the whole story...yet.

with only $290K pressing.

So where was he going to get this $290k from by 30th June??