GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

[LegallyBrunette]

First, there is no way of knowing that it was the same person.

Second, the CCTV footage showed quite clearly that he DIDN'T have gloves on - at least when he was bothering Jill outside the Duchess Boutique.

And I'm still convinced that he did NOT have a gun - or a Taser. I'm sure that was just fringing artifact in those few frames, as somebody else pointed out. It can be seen throughout the video adjacent to bright objects. What he did to convince Jill to follow him I have no idea. Or maybe he'd gone off round the corner and Jill thought he'd gone - but he was waiting for her in the laneway off Hope St...

When I first saw unenhanced footage it looked like a black wallet or phone, later looked to me more like a gun. Do you think it could have been those nunchukas?
I watched the video walk by Matt Mitchell for the first time last night. As I watched it I felt anxious and tight in the chest and had to stop it. How weird when he did that film in daylight, but just that that area looked creepy or something. 'Je ne sais quoi'

 

[marlywings]

Hi guys,

Another new Melbournite here. I just wanted to quickly say a thank you to all of you. I've been lurking in this thread since the start, and being able to keep up with all of you was incredibly helpful, emotionally, in what felt like a scary and helpless time over the last week and a bit. I wasn't able to march today, but I am planning to take part in the "Reclaim the Night" October march.

Looking forward to being a bit more active from now.

Thanks again!

Hi thegirlwhowaited & welcome to Websleuths...nice to have you on board!

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Is it an Australian law that even after a case is over that details of the murder are not released? Just wondering. Of course we hear everything here in USA. Wondering why that would be kept secret; it is not a slur against a victim whatever was done to him or her by some predator and the predator should not be free of the public knowing exactly what savage acts he or she committed, in my opinion.

In my opinion, the victim's having had to suffer the acts it is a small price to pay for me having to be upset or uncomfortable hearing about them.

Some cases like Anita Cobby and an older one in NSW, Virginia Morse, there were details that were so feral they were withheld from general publication to respect the families' sensitivity, it will all be in court during trial but judge may suppress some info from publication. Also maintains whatever shred of dignity the victim may still have.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

In this article it mentions he had black leather gloves.

It wasn't a gun, he had his black leather gloves ready?

You should join forces with Dr Watson

 

[FruitTingles]

Some cases like Anita Cobby and an older one in NSW, Virginia Morse, there were details that were so feral they were withheld from general publication to respect the families' sensitivity, it will all be in court during trial but judge may suppress some info from publication. Also maintains whatever shred of dignity the victim may still have.

Well said LegallyBrunette!!! Couldn't agree more.

 

[cluciano63]

Some cases like Anita Cobby and an older one in NSW, Virginia Morse, there were details that were so feral they were withheld from general publication to respect the families' sensitivity, it will all be in court during trial but judge may suppress some info from publication. Also maintains whatever shred of dignity the victim may still have.

I don't see how the victim loses dignity by the acts of some psychopath(s). Anyone who commits such atrocities deserves to have the whole world know exactly how savage and inhumane he or she is. But I know mine is not a popular opinion.

 

[marlywings]

For those who may not have seen them all...photos of beautiful Jill...

Jill Meagher in pictures

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/gallery-e6freuy9-1226481739151?page=1

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Someone asked this question before but I don't remember the answer.
Walking north on Sydney Road there is a street on the left - Victoria street, which is before Hope street. Can you get across that railway line from Victoria or is that why Jill had to go further up to Hope street?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

For those who may not have seen them all...photos of beautiful Jill...

Jill Meagher in pictures

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/gallery-e6freuy9-1226481739151?page=1

Number 5 is my fave, it is so sweet and they look so perfect together. She was a classic Irish beauty.

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a h-anam

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I don't see how the victim loses dignity by the acts of some psychopath(s). Anyone who commits such atrocities deserves to have the whole world know exactly how savage and inhumane he or she is. But I know mine is not a popular opinion.

I meant loss of dignity by details being published. And some victims are mothers, they wouldn't want their children to ever have to read it.

 

[ozgirl70]

Someone asked this question before but I don't remember the answer.
Walking north on Sydney Road there is a street on the left - Victoria street, which is before Hope street. Can you get across that railway line from Victoria or is that why Jill had to go further up to Hope street?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...before-vanishing/story-e6freuy9-1226479708333

This link has a google map of the area. I don't think she went her usual way. To me it looks as if Jill went the long way. There does appear to be a railway crossing but I have read that the area is not very well lit, so perhaps she avoided it because of this.

I think we are back to the possible 'follow me I'll keep you safe' thing again. Or he grabbed her straight after the CCTV footage at the bridal shop.

jmo

 

[MaxwellSmart]

I think that AB overheard Jill turning down the co-worker's offer of an escort home (share taxi?) and Jill could have said something like "no no its ok I live just up the road off Hope street" m.o.o.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=LPpjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pOUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1355,7090111 - Sydney Morning Herald, June 21, 1974. Mrs Virginia Gai Morse.
If only more judges had this attitude. Pretty sure these two are still in Goulburn supermax jail.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Well said LegallyBrunette!!! Couldn't agree more.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...before-vanishing/story-e6freuy9-1226479708333

This link has a google map of the area. I don't think she went her usual way. To me it looks as if Jill went the long way. There does appear to be a railway crossing but I have read that the area is not very well lit, so perhaps she avoided it because of this.

I think we are back to the possible 'follow me I'll keep you safe' thing again. Or he grabbed her straight after the CCTV footage at the bridal shop.

jmo

Can't tell from map, the video walk journo, Matt Mitchell, said Hope street is very poorly lit as well and when you get to that bike track where railway crossing is, is pitch black.
I thought a local on a thread said you can't get across line at the earlier street but might have got that wrong. Maybe Victoria street is even darker and more deserted after hours than Hope street, though it's hard to imagine how it could be.

 

[DrWatson]

And don't forget that Lux Way, where she and Tom lived, runs off Hope St. So Hope St would be the logical way to get there.

 

[pudd]

Someone asked this question before but I don't remember the answer.
Walking north on Sydney Road there is a street on the left - Victoria street, which is before Hope street. Can you get across that railway line from Victoria or is that why Jill had to go further up to Hope street?

You can cross teh railway line at Victoria St, and all of those main access roads to Sydney Rd. It is indeed, however, scary dark and unlit much of the way. When I think about it, a lot of Melbourne streets are pretty dark. Something else to lobby the government for.

If anything I think Jill was taking the better lit way home - the other option via Victoria-Percy-Lyle-Lux would have been much more unappealing. Which is saying something, isn't it?

 

[oz_sleuth]

Can't tell from map, the video walk journo, Matt Mitchell, said Hope street is very poorly lit as well and when you get to that bike track where railway crossing is, is pitch black.
I thought a local on a thread said you can't get across line at the earlier street but might have got that wrong. Maybe Victoria street is even darker and more deserted after hours than Hope street, though it's hard to imagine how it could be.

Victoria st is more of a main road and is fairly well lit and has shops running along it and a decent amount of traffic. Theres also a pub about 200 meters down just before Percy st called Victoria Hotel (which may or may not have been open at 1 45 am) However if she took that route, she would have arrived a Percy St where she would have turned right, and t is much like Hope St, ie. completely dead at night, no traffic at all, poorly lit and no shops. just a few panel beaters and small factory type set ups and some empty blocks. And also Percy is actually past Lux Way, so once she reached the end of Percy shed have to walk back 100 metres or so in the direction she came.

That might have made no sense but check Google street view and you will see

I believe Jill went the way she did because its the way she always walked home and it was habit. A part of me believes that AB knew this was her way home. After all he seemingly has his car at the ready just down Hope st. How, I dont know... but as someone said a few posts earlier perhaps he overheard her say something to her co-worker who offered to walk her home that she lived off Hope st..

 

[LegallyBrunette]

A bit off topic but interesting. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/police-investigator-outraged-by-murderers-parole-bid-20111130-1o734.html

Update on this is that High Court got it right and knocked back his appeal. 4 May 2012

http://www.news.com.au/national-old...-die-behind-bars/story-e6frfkvr-1226346683141

 

[Twobob]

Someone asked this question before but I don't remember the answer.
Walking north on Sydney Road there is a street on the left - Victoria street, which is before Hope street. Can you get across that railway line from Victoria or is that why Jill had to go further up to Hope street?

I'm not sure if you can get over the railway line but I would always stick to a busy road rather than a railway station or bike path, they are pretty deserted at that time of the morning. There is something really creepy about train stations at late at night. Maybe walking further up Syndey Road seemed safer because of the people and traffic? That's what I would have thought if I was walking by myself.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

You can cross teh railway line at Victoria St, and all of those main access roads to Sydney Rd. It is indeed, however, scary dark and unlit much of the way. When I think about it, a lot of Melbourne streets are pretty dark. Something else to lobby the government for.

If anything I think Jill was taking the better lit way home - the other option via Victoria-Percy-Lyle-Lux would have been much more unappealing. Which is saying something, isn't it?

Thank you! that is what I thought someone had said - the slightly quicker route was even worse. In addition to rolling out more cctv maybe local councils assisted by Vic state govt should spend money on better lighting.

I have noticed around our area that since the new eco friendly globes have been introduced the street lighting isn't as bright as before. Complained to local councillor and was told to get a petition from neighbours. Some public servants in this country could go to Uni and get an honours degree for buck passing.