It seems that Dr. Phil doesn't think that Noema is a suspect in Dulce's disappearance. It also seems that he questions if she knows more than she saying.
His beginning statement that police have insisted that Noema is not a suspect is news to me. LE has only issued statements that the family has been cooperative. Did Dr. Phil get that statement directly from LE?
I am also surprised that Noema did not get the results from her polygraph. I've never seen that happen before. LE will tell a person the result, whether it is a pass, a fail or inclusive. I can understand Dr. Phil's amazement that she doesn't know the test result, and that she never asked. It doesn't sound logical to me that she wasn't told her test result.
I have reservations in expressing my opinion, but here goes. Either Noema is intellectually challenged, or she is numbed by childhood trauma, or she is hiding something. Her parents would know better than we could guess. And apparently they are not being forgiving of Noema, for her stupidity in not looking after the kids properly, or possibly hiding something, per the spokeswoman.
Her parents know her better than we do. I'd like to see a profile of her life to determine if she is acting predictably during this crisis. I suspect that she is, and her demeanor is normal for her, and her parents aren't surprised by how she presents herself.
As Dr. Phil said, he has never seen a mother of a missing child present so flat and unemotional. Granted Noema was not Dulce's legal mother, but even a sister might show more emotion.
Noema is the worst credible victim of an abducted child I have seen, but my gut feeling is that she had nothing to do with Dulce's abduction.
It seems that Dr. Phil doesn't think that Noema is a suspect in Dulce's disappearance. It also seems that he questions if she knows more than she saying.
His beginning statement that police have insisted that Noema is not a suspect is news to me. LE has only issued statements that the family has been cooperative. Did Dr. Phil get that statement directly from LE?
I am also surprised that Noema did not get the results from her polygraph. I've never seen that happen before. LE will tell a person the result, whether it is a pass, a fail or inclusive. I can understand Dr. Phil's amazement that she doesn't know the test result, and that she never asked. It doesn't sound logical to me that she wasn't told her test result.
I have reservations in expressing my opinion, but here goes. Either Noema is intellectually challenged, or she is numbed by childhood trauma, or she is hiding something. Her parents would know better than we could guess. And apparently they are not being forgiving of Noema, for her stupidity in not looking after the kids properly, or possibly hiding something, per the spokeswoman.
Her parents know her better than we do. I'd like to see a profile of her life to determine if she is acting predictably during this crisis. I suspect that she is, and her demeanor is normal for her, and her parents aren't surprised by how she presents herself.
As Dr. Phil said, he has never seen a mother of a missing child present so flat and unemotional. Granted Noema was not Dulce's legal mother, but even a sister might show more emotion.
Noema is the worst credible victim of an abducted child I have seen, but my gut feeling is that she had nothing to do with Dulce's abduction.
The description of that person makes me suspicious of her and wonder if she and any connections she has have been investigated. mOOI don’t know about the advocate but “the spokesperson” had never met Noema or the family until the first press when she volunteered her services.
When Dulce first went missing but prior to her becoming spokesperson she was critical of Noema on social media referring to her as a bad girl etc ... so I’m not really clear why the family would even want anything to do with her. She isn’t great at translating and seems to be doing more harm than good in terms of relationships with locals & officials imo. The consensus on social media is she only shows up if its nice weather when there’s a camera present .
It could just be the show sensationalizing the story and really no shocking revelation but I guess we will have to wait until tomorrow.
BBM. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way but I'm disappointed Dr. Phil did not take into account Noema's history and the fact that she is NOT the one who was raising Dulce. She had Dulce when she was 13 or 14 then had another child at 15 or 16. She is only 19 years old now and pregnant again. She never had a childhood herself but also never had to act as a mother acts towards her children. Why would we expect a mature and motherly emotional response from her? Dulce was more like another sister in Noema's life that she only saw on weekends than she was her daughter. She probably loves Dulce but it's not the same as it would be if she had had Dulce as an adult and was raising her on her own. Noema has her own problems going on and is emotionally immature because of what has happened in her life. Her saying she doesn't cry in front of people makes complete sense to me considering her background. Pregnant 3 times as a teen, a history of poverty and drug abuse tells me that she may have been abused by those men who made her pregnant and maybe by others too. She probably tried drugs to numb the pain. She is probably fighting a deep depression. The cycle of violence and abuse repeats itself and abuse victims build up a barrier for their emotions as a response. Is it any wonder she seems numb and doesn't react immediately when she is hurting? She buries her feelings with no reaction and then cries in private later. It's sometimes the only power an abuse victim feels they have-- to not let their abuser see them cry. She comes off as very timid and not as a person who is emotionally flat because they are manipulating the situation like a sociopath does. It's a shame if Dr Phil did not take the opportunity to highlight the difference between someone in Noema's situation and a sociopathic criminal that is emotionally flat because they are covering their true emotions. Has he never heard of learned helplessness as the result of abuse? Is anyone else seeing this the way I am or am I way out in left field here? MOO.
In other words people who can feel empathy are more likely to help. The detective is wise IMO.I was watching a docuseries today about another disappearance of a very young girl from many years ago. The lead detective on that case said his experience has been that the results of a case being solved and the involvement of citizens in helping find the child are directly related to a feeling of “there by the grace of God go I”. As in, if fellow parents can see themselves in the position of the parents of a missing child (examples given were a child disappears from one aisle over in a shopping center or is in the line of sight in public) they are much more apt to pitch in and help. He feels if parents cannot place themselves in the position stated, help is less than forthcoming. This gave me pause. You would think a missing child is a missing child and everyone in the community etc would dive in. But he’s also experienced what I never have in working the cases. What do you think? An ugly truth or unfounded opinion?
It's very possible that they did tell her the results of the polygraph and she just didn't grasp what they were saying. For instance if the results were inconclusive and she was waiting to hear pass or fail. However wouldn't her family members and therefore the spokesperson know whether or not she has taken and passed or failed a poly?
Noema seems very immature to me. Like a little kid who fibs to keep from getting in trouble. She doesn't strike me as evil. I suspect she really is intellectually challenged in some way.
I see Alvarez-Perez as a girl with stunted emotional growth who probably quit attending school during the time of her 1st pregnancy (13-14 yrs. old). It doesn’t look like she ever had the role of mom to Dulce b/c the grandmother assumed that role and rightly so. I believe that if a psych evaluation would reveal the reason for the flat affect.BBM. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way but I'm disappointed Dr. Phil did not take into account Noema's history and the fact that she is NOT the one who was raising Dulce. She had Dulce when she was 13 or 14 then had another child at 15 or 16. She is only 19 years old now and pregnant again. She never had a childhood herself but also never had to act as a mother acts towards her children. Why would we expect a mature and motherly emotional response from her? Dulce was more like another sister in Noema's life that she only saw on weekends than she was her daughter. She probably loves Dulce but it's not the same as it would be if she had had Dulce as an adult and was raising her on her own. Noema has her own problems going on and is emotionally immature because of what has happened in her life. Her saying she doesn't cry in front of people makes complete sense to me considering her background. Pregnant 3 times as a teen, a history of poverty and drug abuse tells me that she may have been abused by those men who made her pregnant and maybe by others too. She probably tried drugs to numb the pain. She is probably fighting a deep depression. The cycle of violence and abuse repeats itself and abuse victims build up a barrier for their emotions as a response. Is it any wonder she seems numb and doesn't react immediately when she is hurting? She buries her feelings with no reaction and then cries in private later. It's sometimes the only power an abuse victim feels they have-- to not let their abuser see them cry. She comes off as very timid and not as a person who is emotionally flat because they are manipulating the situation like a sociopath does. It's a shame if Dr Phil did not take the opportunity to highlight the difference between someone in Noema's situation and a sociopathic criminal that is emotionally flat because they are covering their true emotions. Has he never heard of learned helplessness as the result of abuse? Is anyone else seeing this the way I am or am I way out in left field here? MOO.
I think you’re positively correct.BBM. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way but I'm disappointed Dr. Phil did not take into account Noema's history and the fact that she is NOT the one who was raising Dulce. She had Dulce when she was 13 or 14 then had another child at 15 or 16. She is only 19 years old now and pregnant again. She never had a childhood herself but also never had to act as a mother acts towards her children. Why would we expect a mature and motherly emotional response from her? Dulce was more like another sister in Noema's life that she only saw on weekends than she was her daughter. She probably loves Dulce but it's not the same as it would be if she had had Dulce as an adult and was raising her on her own. Noema has her own problems going on and is emotionally immature because of what has happened in her life. Her saying she doesn't cry in front of people makes complete sense to me considering her background. Pregnant 3 times as a teen, a history of poverty and drug abuse tells me that she may have been abused by those men who made her pregnant and maybe by others too. She probably tried drugs to numb the pain. She is probably fighting a deep depression. The cycle of violence and abuse repeats itself and abuse victims build up a barrier for their emotions as a response. Is it any wonder she seems numb and doesn't react immediately when she is hurting? She buries her feelings with no reaction and then cries in private later. It's sometimes the only power an abuse victim feels they have-- to not let their abuser see them cry. She comes off as very timid and not as a person who is emotionally flat because they are manipulating the situation like a sociopath does. It's a shame if Dr Phil did not take the opportunity to highlight the difference between someone in Noema's situation and a sociopathic criminal that is emotionally flat because they are covering their true emotions. Has he never heard of learned helplessness as the result of abuse? Is anyone else seeing this the way I am or am I way out in left field here? MOO.