Trial Discussion Thread #4 - 14.03.10, Day 6

lisasalinger said:

I don't think he planted that tweet. I think he wrote it and meant it. Here is my take on Oscar. This is 100% pure speculation on my behalf after everything I've read and seen about him thus far:

Oscar overcame difficult adversity as a very young child and didn't just adapt to life, he set the bar extremely high for himself early on. Every day is a constant grind to do better, be better, win, win, win. And he attained tremendous success, fame and wealth from his efforts. He inspired people all over the world and now had new bars that had been set for him, as all athletes have to live up to. These grinds do not come without some struggles or downfalls. How many times have we seen it before - successful, famous athletes beating their wives, killing their wives, killing other people, killing themselves. These type of super star athletes live in a world very different than the average person.

I think that Oscar may have a serious issue with handling situations that don't go his way. In order to attain all that he has, he has to be focused on himself 100% of the time which makes him selfish. Everything has to be about what he needs, when he needs it. I get the sense that he's an entitled person who thinks he can pretty much do whatever he wants most of the time because of who he is.

He let his buddy, Darren, take the rap for him when the gun went off by accident in the restaurant. Whether he asked him to or not, he let him take the rap. That shows that he is more concerned about his image than doing the right thing, at the expense of a friend. That testimony in court wasn't so much for me whether or not the gun going off was an accident. It surely seems like it was. The message I got from that was his lack of accountability and entitlement, and lack of concern for his friend.

Then the shooting out of the car window. Of course that's reckless, but for me it's not so much about that either... it's that Oscar shot that gun because he felt like doing it. He knew it was wrong and dangerous, but he did it anyway.

If we believe Samantha's testimony, he also threatened somebody in car that was following him with his gun. He was not going to allow anybody to intimidate him. I don't think he was protecting Samantha. I think it was a macho F U buddy type of move.

As his defense has portrayed in court, even though Oscar has moved mountains to not let his disability run his life, he still obviously does have vulnerabilities and with those vulnerabilities, incredible fears. I don't doubt this. He probably is more scared than the average person. But I tend to think that Oscar's way of dealing with those fears is hiding behind guns which give him power, and fast cars and fast friends... things that give him a rush and make him feel strong.

With all that said, for everybody that knew him and are shocked that he could have done something like this, I can understand how they feel. He probably was also very sweet, charming and fun at times too. He clearly cared about his fans and seemed to be very generous with them. I'm sure he had many good qualities.

People are not black and white. They can have wonderful characteristics and they can have terrible demons. Some people let those demons get the best of them.

I do believe that Oscar has enough fire inside of him to let an argument get the best of him and use that trusty old gun that seems to be glued to his hip at all times. He has proven in the past that he's not afraid to wave it around or use it when he needs to. I think there was a terrible disagreement going on with him and Reeva that night. Hopefully we gain some insight from data on the phones or other witnesses yet to come. I think things just blew up and he lost it. But Oscar being Oscar, no way was he going to own up and take the rap. I think once again, he went in to cover up mode. Using every one of his resources around him to make this go away.

These are just my two cents as to how this could have all happened and who I think Oscar may be. Totally my own thoughts, not based in any fact whatsoever. Just my Dr. Phil moment.

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sorrell skye said:

Baba: If I had accepted Mr. Pistorious' word that 'everything is fine' and left his premises, what would have happened?

That's exactly what I've been wondering!!!!

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soozieqtips said:

That's possible. I assume there will be medical experts to comment on the pathologist's findings? In the UK, we sometimes have several experts who will each interpret the results in their own ways. As in, whether a cricket bat injury could be consistent with marks on the shin for example.

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...Another wound was found on Steenkamp's fractured upper arm, which showed the bullet had passed through it entirely....

...Saayman confirmed that it was likely that one of the bullets had passed through Steenkamp's arm and into her head....

...Saayman said, however, that the seriousness of the wounds to the hip and right arm could have also led to her death.

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Cherwell said:

To be fair, she might have had some bruising already from something innocuous. I bruise very easily and have often got bruising somewhere about my person from banging into something, falling over the dog etc

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Interested Bystander said:

It will be interesting to hear how few or many marks were made by the bat. I have pondered whether in temper OP batted the door after Reeva locked herself in but didn't actually break the door down. In his fury at being unsuccessful he got his gun and shot through the door. After the shooting he had another go at the door and eventually was successful, possibly due to the power of the shots having weakened the panels. There was no way he could leave her there.

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Zinn said:

Regarding the reports of OP's demeanor in the courtroom today (plugging his ears, retching, vomiting), my feeling is that he is someone who seems unable to take responsibility for his actions. I did not take the ear plugging to be a defensive act of someone who didn't want to hear the details of their lover's death, I took it to be an unwillingness to confront the reality and consequences of his own actions.

As always, all of the above is just my opinion.

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Trooper said:

'Judge.'.. what are you doing, Mr Pretorious??

;Oscar'... nothing judge.. everythings fine..

( vomit all over his suit, all over the bench in front of him. people have to move back and sideways.. )

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zwiebel said:

I am beginning to think Reeva could see the gun aimed at her head, and put her arm up to protect herself. Also, those bruises on the back of the knee and back of the shin - wouldn't they line up with someone's leg being forced back against a ceramic toilet, or maybe a bed frame?

If she had fallen backwards in the toilet, I would expect her to have injured herself on the tile floor/wall....but I guess if Reeva died before bruising could form, perhaps that tissue damage wouldn't show?....yet bruising had time to form on her upper eyelids, from the brain bleed.

I really do not know what a pathologist who has 'ethical issues' about testifying in public, is doing acting as a public/state pathologist. Or is he a private one?

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Trooper said:

I suppose the court and everyone single person there, including Oscar must be glad he isn't shatting himself at the same time..

that could happen tomorrow.. the Autopsy proff has no where near finished..

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Trooper said:

Judge's register has her hand over her mouth. She, like many other people in this court, looks nauseous, Carl Pistorius has left the courtroom, says Crawford.


I don't know about anyone else but I am having trouble stopping laughing at Oscars performance here..

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trooper said:

people in the court are now retching, gulping, looking a bit clammy.. People are making sudden runs for the door.

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