8 Die in Crash on Taconic State Parkway #2

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Soulmagent said:
I know your right. It just bugged me that it was even suggested.
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I agree, but I also understand the desire for the Bastardi family (and probably the parents of the nieces) to know everything that happened. I'm sure they aren't in a hurry to put that child on the witness stand, but it has to be frustrating to read that no one has even asked him if he remembers. I can imagine wanting someone who is trained in dealing with traumatized kids to ask him some questions and allow them to see a video of his answers. I would want to know what he remembers. Hell, I DO want to know what he remembers. Even if it's nothing.

If he were the only witness to a murder scene someone would have questioned him by now in the hopes of finding the killer.

Also, if this kid is not in therapy, he should be. That doesn't sound like the best parenting/medical care in the world if he hasn't talked to anyone yet.

But on that point, I also want to know what DS said to her brother, what the little girl said, and the other caller as well. Why is that such a big secret?
 
WHAT in the WORLD is there left to find out? I mean, that a crushed and broken 5yo in the back of a van would be able to tell anyone? Toward what end, and at what expense, do we need to find out?

Diane Schuler was raving drunk and she killed herself and half her family. Whether she was mad at her brother, mad at someone else, whether her husband or anyone else picked up on the idea that she might drink that morning, of which we have no evidence, or whether by some miracle of science or medicine that we will never discern, she somehow managed to get completely toasted without ingesting anything, whether she was a secret drinker or she just uncharacteristically went on a binge that day, WHAT does it ultimately matter?

It's a damn shame, but there's no further mystery.
 
arielilane said:
I was thinking before Daniel S was listening too much to his attorney, but I'm beginning to think he is more interested in protecting himself more than his late wife. :waitasec: my two pennies...
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It seems he's most fearful of lawsuits and losing all his pennies as well
 
angelmom said:
I agree, but I also understand the desire for the Bastardi family (and probably the parents of the nieces) to know everything that happened. I'm sure they aren't in a hurry to put that child on the witness stand, but it has to be frustrating to read that no one has even asked him if he remembers. I can imagine wanting someone who is trained in dealing with traumatized kids to ask him some questions and allow them to see a video of his answers. I would want to know what he remembers. Hell, I DO want to know what he remembers. Even if it's nothing.

If he were the only witness to a murder scene someone would have questioned him by now in the hopes of finding the killer.

Also, if this kid is not in therapy, he should be. That doesn't sound like the best parenting/medical care in the world if he hasn't talked to anyone yet.

But on that point, I also want to know what DS said to her brother, what the little girl said, and the other caller as well. Why is that such a big secret?
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Great post ,but If it was my son I wouldnt even want someone trained in dealing with traumatized kids asking my kid questions and video Taping his responces and showing them to other people. I fully understand the desire to want to know what happened but that would be exploiting his therapy IMO. He didnt witness a murder he witnessed an accident. He spent alot of time in the hospital he might not remember anything and being questioned could cause flashbacks. I was very shocked the Bastardi family even mentioned that they wanted him to testify, to a newspaper.
 
Soulmagent said:
Great post ,but If it was my son I wouldnt even want someone trained in dealing with traumatized kids asking my kid questions and video Taping his responces and showing them to other people. I fully understand the desire to want to know what happened but that would be exploiting his therapy IMO. He didnt witness a murder he witnessed an accident. He spent alot of time in the hospital he might not remember anything and being questioned could cause flashbacks. I was very shocked the Bastardi family even mentioned that they wanted him to testify, to a newspaper.
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I guess I'm surprised and not sure I really believe that NO ONE has asked him what he remembers.

If I were Daniel Schuler and really believed that something happened other than Diane getting hammered and killing 8 people, I would sure as hell be asking him if someone else was talking to Mommy at the McDonalds...if they stopped anywhere...if he remembered anything.

For 2 reasons - 1) I would be dying to know, especially if I didn't believe the LE theory. I would be very careful and having a therapist or trauma specialist guide me, but I would not be able to just leave it. Daniel has claimed multiple times that he does not believe Diane was drunk. Has he changed his mind or does he not care anymore?

And 2) I don't think you recover from a trauma by keeping it locked up inside. I know of too many cases where parents assume a child is too young to understand or remember something and that is NOT the case. That little boy needs an opportunity to tell whatever he remembers, even from his time in the hospital, in a safe environment so that he can process his grief. IMHO, they will need professional help for that.

With Daniel's permission, a therapist could testify as to the fact that he, indeed, doesn't remember any of it, or that he remembers some fragmented details that are consistent with the LE version of events. That would go a long way toward helping everyone get on the same page as to the cause. If Daniel publicly accepted it and expressed some sort of sorrow or apology on behalf of his wife, it would go a long way towards easing the intense anger surrounding this case.

Just my :twocents:
 
I thought of this accident today as I was driving I-95 .I had turned off to get gas and went to get back on the interstate when my gps starting telling me to make a right , Onto to exit ramp into oncomeing traffic. I knew not to do that of course and I wasnt drinking or smoking weed but It made me think. Has anyone else had a gps try and kill them?
I just wondered if she did have a gps and even though she was drunk if it is possible the reason she entered the highway could of been faulty gps directions.
 
That sounds like important information. If she had a gps and it told her to go up the offramp, then that goes toward her intent. And not all gps's would give the same instructions, so it might be a glitch in just a few.

I think that you should write to the local law enforcement or something, and tell them that. Not only is it important to understand all factors of what happened to her, but if others have this same glitch, that would be a ticking time bomb.

Law enforcement would know right away whether she had a gps.
 
I had an interesting conversation this afternoon that, for me, sheds some light on how Diane Schuler's family may not have had any idea about her drinking problem/drinking that day.

I have a good friend, I'll call her "A". The short (!) version is that A called me to ask some questions about unemployment, having recently left her job. Now, I've known for awhile that she has some issues with excessive drinking, and she told me early in the conversation that she was fired for drinking, and is starting an intensive alcohol treatment program next week. I also know that A has some problems with anxiety and depression.

As the conversation went on, A got more and more upset, crying, incoherent, hard to understand--to the point where I was debating getting off the phone and getting her to the ER--I thought she was depressed and suicidal, and was concerned that she was taking pills while talking to me. I even called a good friend who works at the local Crisis unit to get advice. Keep in mind, I have had many clients in the past with both mental health and substance abuse problems, and I generally feel that I'm pretty good at both detecting and dealing with these issues.

I finally got ahold of A's girlfriend (we'll call her B), who was about 5 minutes away from home. Her first comment was "Well, I'm sure A's been drinking..." I followed up with B later, and yup, that was the case. It hadn't even *occurred* to me that A was getting drunk while on the phone with me!

To sum up, I have a fair amount of professional experience with substance abusers; I know A has alcohol issues, and found out at the beginning of the conversation that her alcohol issues are *bad*; and even when A started slurring words, it *still* didn't occur to me that she was anything other than really, really depressed. After all, she's a good friend! She wouldn't be drinking while on the phone with me at 4:00 on a Sunday afternoon!

So, I have a little more empathy for Diane Schuler's husband, and how he really may not have known what was going on.
 
eleven said:
I honestly don't see what him submitting to a drug test would prove. He wasn't the one driving. If his drug test came back positive, that would have absolutely no bearing on anything.
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I think the family wants to know if he used pot, considering pot was found in his wife's system.
 
RLynne said:
I had an interesting conversation this afternoon that, for me, sheds some light on how Diane Schuler's family may not have had any idea about her drinking problem/drinking that day.

I have a good friend, I'll call her "A". The short (!) version is that A called me to ask some questions about unemployment, having recently left her job. Now, I've known for awhile that she has some issues with excessive drinking, and she told me early in the conversation that she was fired for drinking, and is starting an intensive alcohol treatment program next week. I also know that A has some problems with anxiety and depression.

As the conversation went on, A got more and more upset, crying, incoherent, hard to understand--to the point where I was debating getting off the phone and getting her to the ER--I thought she was depressed and suicidal, and was concerned that she was taking pills while talking to me. I even called a good friend who works at the local Crisis unit to get advice. Keep in mind, I have had many clients in the past with both mental health and substance abuse problems, and I generally feel that I'm pretty good at both detecting and dealing with these issues.

I finally got ahold of A's girlfriend (we'll call her B), who was about 5 minutes away from home. Her first comment was "Well, I'm sure A's been drinking..." I followed up with B later, and yup, that was the case. It hadn't even *occurred* to me that A was getting drunk while on the phone with me!

To sum up, I have a fair amount of professional experience with substance abusers; I know A has alcohol issues, and found out at the beginning of the conversation that her alcohol issues are *bad*; and even when A started slurring words, it *still* didn't occur to me that she was anything other than really, really depressed. After all, she's a good friend! She wouldn't be drinking while on the phone with me at 4:00 on a Sunday afternoon!

So, I have a little more empathy for Diane Schuler's husband, and how he really may not have known what was going on.
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Well... wow. I guess that's how I got away with it for so long! I remember once being unable to get a single word out straight and so I said to the person on the phone, "Ah biit mah tung!" and they believed that was why I sounded that way. ("Ah'm brshin mah teef!" works well for this, too, if anyone is writing down these tips.)

Pretty damn amazing, isn't it?? And yet, that is truly, truly how it goes.

Thanks for posting that. :) --tapu
 
RLynne said:
I had an interesting conversation this afternoon that, for me, sheds some light on how Diane Schuler's family may not have had any idea about her drinking problem/drinking that day.

I have a good friend, I'll call her "A". The short (!) version is that A called me to ask some questions about unemployment, having recently left her job. Now, I've known for awhile that she has some issues with excessive drinking, and she told me early in the conversation that she was fired for drinking, and is starting an intensive alcohol treatment program next week. I also know that A has some problems with anxiety and depression.

As the conversation went on, A got more and more upset, crying, incoherent, hard to understand--to the point where I was debating getting off the phone and getting her to the ER--I thought she was depressed and suicidal, and was concerned that she was taking pills while talking to me. I even called a good friend who works at the local Crisis unit to get advice. Keep in mind, I have had many clients in the past with both mental health and substance abuse problems, and I generally feel that I'm pretty good at both detecting and dealing with these issues.

I finally got ahold of A's girlfriend (we'll call her B), who was about 5 minutes away from home. Her first comment was "Well, I'm sure A's been drinking..." I followed up with B later, and yup, that was the case. It hadn't even *occurred* to me that A was getting drunk while on the phone with me!

To sum up, I have a fair amount of professional experience with substance abusers; I know A has alcohol issues, and found out at the beginning of the conversation that her alcohol issues are *bad*; and even when A started slurring words, it *still* didn't occur to me that she was anything other than really, really depressed. After all, she's a good friend! She wouldn't be drinking while on the phone with me at 4:00 on a Sunday afternoon!

So, I have a little more empathy for Diane Schuler's husband, and how he really may not have known what was going on.
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My sister is a recovering alcoholic/drug addict. I completely hear what you are saying. Especially if you don't have an immense amount of experience with addicts, you just don't know. Many, many, many times I talked to my sister on the phone, she would slur a few words, and I chalked it up to her being tired or her just misspeaking. People who are naive to this (not faulting them for it, they just haven't been through it enough) just DON'T KNOW.
 
Soulmagent said:
I thought of this accident today as I was driving I-95 .I had turned off to get gas and went to get back on the interstate when my gps starting telling me to make a right , Onto to exit ramp into oncomeing traffic. I knew not to do that of course and I wasnt drinking or smoking weed but It made me think. Has anyone else had a gps try and kill them?
I just wondered if she did have a gps and even though she was drunk if it is possible the reason she entered the highway could of been faulty gps directions.
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FWIW, I drove across country with one of my daughters and her friend earlier this year, during the summer. And YES, there were times the gps told us to turn, when there was NO exit or anywhere CLOSE to being a turn. One instance, they said turn right and it was OFF A CLIFF of a MOUNTAIN in the middle of the Rockey Mountains.

I don't know what happened in THIS CASE, but I do know that gps can often times be incorrect and SOME people will follow the instructions.

I also recall in one of the National murder cases here on WS, where one of the victim's family spoke of how he'd driven his vehicle into a body of water, because his gps had said to turn right,..................and he DID! I thought to myself, what an idiot,..................but yet,.................I then recalled the same instruction given to us, and we could physically see there was NO WAY!

JMHO
fran
 
People dont just start out hiding their drinking problem, it slowly gets pushed into the closet and hid from people. If she had a drinking problem and the husband didnt know then someone did because she wouldnt of been hiding it for no reason. Either she drank and hid it because she was addressed on her issues and didnt want to accept them or some of the family knew of it and she didnt hide it at all. Or somehow the broken bottle of vodka absorbed into an open wound as she was dying in the wrecked van.
 
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