Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #45

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Ok if you look back on some of your posts you'll see where we're not going with the phone calls.

When there's no idea at all as to who the numbers belong to please leave it as they could very well be someone completely unconnected to the case
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My apologise Marly.....:tos: xxxx
 
Robert Baden-Powell

Sir Robert Baden-Powell. (1927, February 20). Sunday Mail (Brisbane) (Qld. : 1926 - 1954), p. 26. Retrieved March 28, 2013, from http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article98219295

Sir Robert Baden-Powell ,

BORN, FEBRUARY 22, 1857.

A movement which ought to have the support of every boy and girl was star ted by Robert Stephenson Smyth Baden Powell. He was a Charterhouse School boy, and, when he entered the Army as a cavalry officer, he distinguished him self in several wars. In the South Af rican campaign he was besieged in

Mafeking for seven months. He was a master of observation and of scouting, ? and at th' conclusion of the South African war set himself to work out a Boy Scout organisation in England. This was completed in 1908, and it has spread to the ends of the world. During the great war the ser vices of the Boy Scouts were invaluable, and did most splendid and helpful work. They were loyal, earnest, and hard working. The Boy Scout has 12 com mandments: He must be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent. It would be a good thing if every boy had a year or two with the Scouts.


Gerard Baden-Clay obviously pick & chose which commandments he kept!

Not sure if this has been discussed here. I should add that I have no idea who Greg Hallett is, or if he is correct or if history has been written to suit..
There are however other writers who discuss plagiarizism BP and Seton.
It seems awfully similar to the case in question. Court case, not budging an inch for honesty or integrity. Murder, mayhem and no repentence. In the end the thing that mattered was how the law saw it all.
There is much more to do with Ernest Thompson Seton Seton.
It was mooted that Baden Powell plagiarized Seton's ideas and Court battles were fought out.
Seton was "astounded to find my ideas taken, all my games appropriated, disguised with new names, the essentials of my plan utilized, and not a word of acknowledgement to me, or explanation why I should be left out of a movement that I began."
- Ernest Thompson Seton, January 1910

[PDF]
Lord Horatio Herbert Kitchener - Greg Hallett and Spymaster
www.greghallett.com/.../STALIN'S BRITISH TRAINING-%2...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View

If this link doesn't work, then a copy and paste into your search bar should give the link. Astounding.
 
Great pick up MM. So was Allison driving when at 6:30pm on 30 March or was she in fact at home and her mobile pinged off all three towers as she moved about the house?

I think she was at home - she would have been getting dinner and bathing he girls

A few times after trying to call GBC Allison's phone then uses the Internet - ? Find my Friends app??
 
On Aussie criminals a poster put a run down of a posters experience in the courtroom OMG so interesting!!
Marley I'm not sure if I'm out of line here but it's vital to see.

Is OW. Going to be a witness and if how can she be so arrogant towards our judicial system? She was blatantly there speaking worth GBC but ran out when the judge came in. Our WS reported this. Surely the judge should know about this? This family seems to have a law unto themselves. Like the bikes are running roughshod over our law WRONG!!
 
Please keep in mind we don't discuss comments on other sites...they're considered rumour on WS.

You can link to it & paraphrase but we don't discuss them.
 
CC ,
I know how much time you have spent doing this, and Your efforts are beyond all expectations. I bow to you ( purrr purrr) and can only offer you my words of thanks, until the day we meet, if and when, and I will offer you a big hug. ... And a glass of mmmmm well cheers to you. X
 
CC ,
I know how much time you have spent doing this, and Your efforts are beyond all expectations. I bow to you ( purrr purrr) and can only offer you my words of thanks, until the day we meet, if and when, and I will offer you a big hug. ... And a glass of mmmmm well cheers to you. X

Yes. Thank you! I'll also be in there with a hug and cheers. Thanks for all your effort CC.
 
Wow, you guys are so good at sleuthing. And there I was thinking that there wouldn't be much happening here until the trial. Thanks everyone.
 
HoneyDog and Lantern Come join us. Don't be shy :)
 
Thanks for your help too Makara and Mountain Mist.

Thank you so much CC. Absolutely great work on a painstaking task. Makes it so easier to read and decipher for all of us. You deserve a :goldcrown::gift:
 
Thanks for the invite Aunty. I've been lurking from the beginning and whilst I have only just joined, I have enjoyed all of the sleuthing from the outset. As someone who grew up in the western suburbs of Brisbane (now live interstate) I have been following the case from the beginning with immense interest.
 
It intrigues me that people listening to GBC talk can hear such different things.

An excellent question. <modsnip>
Alas, for poor Allison his superficial BS and vacuous gestures seemed to hit their mark. She was far from unintelligent, but perhaps not the best judge of character. And she is not alone with that trait.
 
Allison Baden-Clay Phone records.
Billing period 23rd March - 23rd April.

23rd March - Friday
1205am Internet used from Kenmore
632am Internet used from Brookfield
1118am Call diverted to message bank.
1128am Call diverted to message bank.
249pm Message Retrieved at Taringa central.
444pm Phone was used to call a taxi from Chapel Hill(yellow cabs) 1min34sec
521pm Text sent to 041964507 from Sherwood
547pm Phone was used to call Gerard –0400456100 from Mt Cootha. 1min 4sec
550pm Phone was used to call her parents from Mt Cootha. 1min

24th March - Saturday
817am Internet used from Brookfield
114pm Phone was used to call 0439701108 from Jindalee 56sec (See note below)
115pm Phone was used to call 0439820631(Family member) from Figtree pocket. 1min 20sec
135pm Phone was used to call 0439820631(Family member) from Alice Street(CBD)1min28 sec
355pm Phone was used to call 0439820631 (Family member) from Brisbane CBD. 23sec
356pm Phone was used to call 0439820631 (Family member) from Brisbane CBD.24sec
408pm Phone was used to call a lady(Initials MS) I assume she may be a friend. 7 sec

25th March-Sunday
436pm Internet used from Mt Cootha
26th March - Monday
149am Internet used from Brookfield
419am Internet used from Kenmore
431am Internet used from Brookfield
921am Phone was used to call a private training studio in Kenmore.(Name Graham Healy) 1min 24sec (http://www.movementsfitness.com.au/) 1min 24
953am Phone was used to call Century 21 Office-0438625251 46sec from Toowong
209pm Phone was used to call 0439820631 (Family member) from Indro South. 8min 53sec
232pm Phone was used to call 0435 898 142(?) from Brookfield. 1min 24sec. Optus.
320pm Internet used from Mt Cootha
27th March - Tuesday
909am Message retrieved at Chapel Hill. (?)
959am Call diverted to message bank.
1002am Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Bfield. 2min24sec
1035am Call diverted to message bank.
1037am Call diverted to message bank.
1148am Phone was used to call Relationships Australia from Valley West. 2min 57sec.
149pm Call diverted to message bank.
151pm Message Retrieved at Spring Hill
158pm Text sent to Gerard 0400456100 from Lang Park
154pm Phone was used to call her parents from Wharf St. 36sec
358pm Call diverted to message bank.
617pm Internet used from Brookfield
621pm Internet used from Brookfield
28th March - Wednesday
936am Internet used from Mt Ommaney
1002am Call diverted to message bank.
130pm Phone was used to call her parents from Kenmore. 2min 59sec
150pm Phone was used to call 0424282608 from Figtree Pocket. 3min 45sec.Vodaphone
238pm Call diverted to message bank.
249pm Message Retrieved at Brookfiled.
327pm Call diverted to message bank.
331pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Kenmore. 2min 36sec
338pm Phone was used to call 0733742514 from Kenmore. 2min 15sec(Thanks Makara-108 Boscombe Rd, Brookfield)
355pm Call diverted to message bank.
444pm Phone was used to call 0401348994 from Kenmore. 2min 14sec.Optus
29th March - Thursday
922am Internet used from Kenmore
947am Phone was used to call the Century 21 office fax-38590200 from Mt Cootha. 27sec.
323pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Kenmore. 57sec
30th March - Friday
131pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Valley West. 37sec
132pm Message Retrieved at Valley West
137pm Internet used from Valley West
146pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Valley Central. 15sec
209pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Valley Central. 1min 26sec
214pm Phone was used to call Century 21 office fax 38590200 from Albert Park. 52sec
216pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Lang Park. 2min 8sec
219pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Milton East. 35sec
624pm Internet used from Brookfield
625pm Phone was used to call 0401348994(?) from Fig Tree Pocket. 5sec
627pm Phone was used to call 0401348994(?) from Pullenvale. 37sec
31st March - Saturday
728am Internet used from Mt Crosby
1203pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Mt Crosby. 3sec
1209pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Mt Crosby. 1min 3sec
1232pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Pullenvale. 12sec
253pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Brookfield. 6sec
253pm Call diverted to message bank.
457pm Mobile enhanced message sent.
543pm Internet used from Brookfield
1st April - Sunday
1042am Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Southbank. 26sec
1129pm Internet used from Brookfield
2nd of April - Monday
914am Mobile enhanced message sent.
418pm Call diverted to message bank.
552pm Internet used from Brookfield
559pm Message Retrieved at Brookfield.
3rd April - Tuesday. Gerard told TM "I will be separated by 1st July" today.
913am Phone was used to call Century 21 office fax - 38590200 from Brookfield. 49sec.
1047am Phone was used to call 0439820631 (Family Member) from Palm Beach. 1min 43sec
232pm Phone was used to call Gerard- 0400456100 from Palm beach. 1min 13sec
234pm Call diverted to message bank.
235pm Message Retrieved at Palm Beach
236pm Message messagebank BC mobile - 0438625251.
253pm Message Rcvd
356pm Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Paradise Point. 32sec
457pm Call diverted to message bank.
520pm Internet used from Indro
4th April - Wednesday
821am Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Taringa Central. 23sec
534pm Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Kenmore. 21sec.
534pm Call diverted to message bank.
650pm Internet used from Brookfield
744pm Message Retrieved at Jamboree Heights.
5th April - Thursday
844am Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Taringa Central. 3min
848am Phone was used to call Baden clay mobile-0438625251 from Taringa Central.1min50sec
1044am Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Kenmore. 56sec
1232pm Text sent to 0427767759 from Taringa Central
110pm Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Taringa Central. 21sec
356pm Phone was used to call 0429377160 from Palm Beach. 26sec
511pm Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from West Burleigh. 6sec
512pm Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from West Burleigh. 30sec
6th April - (Good Friday)
100am Internet used from Palm beach
723am Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Palm Beach.50sec
845am Phone was used to call the Dickies - 0755774036 from Palm Beach. 9min 11 sec
852am Call diverted to message bank.
858am Phone was used to call Gerard- 0400456100 from Palm beach. 38sec
201pm Phone was used to call 0429377160 from Palm Beach. 24sec
519pm Text sent to 0429377160 from Palm Beach
7th April - Saturday
833am Call diverted to message bank.
1137am Phone was used to call 0429377160 from Palm Beach. 1sec
1136am Message Retrieved at Palm Beach
1137am Phone was used to call 0429377160 from Palm Beach. 43sec
1228pm Phone was used to call 0429377160 West Burleigh. 7sec
1243pm Phone was used to call Gerard -0400456100 from West Burleigh. 49sec
459pm Text sent to 0429377160 from Palm Beach
521pm Phone was used to call 0429377160 from Elanora. 22sec
8th April - Easter Sunday
210am Internet used from Palm beach
902am Internet used from Palm Beach
944am Phone was used to call 0439820631 (Family Member) from Palm Beach. 5min 14sec
9th April - Monday
418pm Internet used from Brookfield.
10th April - Tuesday
906am Phone was used to call 0439820631 (Family Member) from Brookfield. 59sec
1150am Call diverted to message bank.
1154am Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Taringa Central. 2min51sec
334pm Message Retrieved at St Lucia
335pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from St Lucia. 34sec
405pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Taringa Central. 29sec
409pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Toowong. 5 sec
410pm Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Toowong. 1min 18
503pm Phone was used to call Epic hair design from Toowong. 1min 59sec
11th April - Wednesday
953am Call diverted to message bank.
1153am Phone was used to call Gerard-0400456100 from Mt Cootha. 47sec
117pm Internet used from North Quay
254pm Internet used from Turbot St
257pm Message Retrieved at Alice St
415pm Internet used from Toowong
453pm Phone was used to call Century 21 Office -0438625251 from Spring Hill. 46sec
12th April - Thursday. Insurance was called today.
218pm Internet used from Brookfield
1030pm Internet used from Brookfield
13th April - Friday
954am Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Taringa Central. 1min46sec
1029am Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Taringa Central. 42sec
1120am Call diverted to message bank.
1143am Internet used from Taringa Central
1157am Message Retrieved at Taringa Central.
332pm Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Taringa Central. 3min 4sec
528pm Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Toowong. 33sec
1018pm Internet used from Brookfield
14th April -Saturday
1234pm Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Brookfield. 1min 23sec
230pm Internet used from Kenmore
316pm Text sent to Gerard-0400456100 from Kenmore.
15th April- Sunday
114pm Text sent to 0439701108 from Brookfield
1002pm Internet used from Kenmore
16th April - Monday - Apparently visited Counsellor in the evening.
801am Internet used from Brookfield
951am Phone was used to call 0424985185 from Brookfield. 52sec.
247pm Call diverted to message bank.
521pm Internet used from Brookfield
631pm Call diverted to message bank.
17th April - Tuesday
928am Phone was used to call Olivia from Coronation Drive. 47sec
235pm Call diverted to message bank.
236pm Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Indro. 35sec
238pm Message received from Gerard.
528pm Message Retrieved at Brookfield
555pm Text to Olivia from Brookfield.
639pm Internet used from Brookfield
18th April - Wednesday. Day of cross country.
1118am Internet used from Brookfiled
1201pm Call diverted to message bank.
210pm Phone was used to call 0427361899 from Brookfield. 2min
213pm Phone was used to call Century 21 office fax - 38590200 from Brookfield. 1min29sec
234pm Call diverted to message bank.
255pm Phone was used to call Century 21 Office -0438625251 from Brookfield. 26sec
403pm Call diverted to message bank.
422pm Message Retrieved at Kenmore
423pm Phone received a message from 0417333547.
425pm Phone was used to call 0424282608 from Kenmore. 3min 41sec
19th April - Thursday
736am Text to Olivia from Brookfield
855am Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Brookfield. 3min 40sec
1125am Call diverted to message bank.
438pm Phone was used to call Epic hair design from Taringa Central. 52sec
501pm Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Fig Tree Pocket. 22sec
626pm Phone was used to call Home - 0733743012 from Chapel Hill. 1 sec
627pm Phone was used to call Gerard - 0400456100 from Chapel Hill. 21 sec
828pm Phone was used to call Olivia-0401019243 from Brookfield. 1min 1 sec.

20th April - Friday
631am Internet used from Fig Tree Pocket

First Message bank time on the morning of 20th April was 632am.

Wondering where the text to Kerri Anne is? Was it not reported "She texted me the night before"?

Unknown numbers including texts
0435 898 142
0424282608
0417333547
0427361899
0424985185
0429377160
0427767759
041964507
0401348994
0439701108

Hi CC, 3rd last number above should have a 1 on the end. Not that that will make us any wiser anyway on those numbers.
 
Aliens abducting her, probing her for hours and gaining much needed scientific data for a future invasion, and then dropping her at Kholo Creek cant be ruled out 100%. But is it reasonable? Is suicide a reasonable alternative explanation that suits the facts of this case? Is walking 14km (unseen, mind you) and jumping off a bridge a reasonable explanation given the circumstances (scratches with all the hallmarks of fingernails on husbands face, extra-marital affairs, googling self-incrimination before calling police, not going to search HQ while wife is missing, trying to collect insurance before positive ID, botanical matter from yard in Allisons hair, dire financial situation, blood traces in third row of car seats, screams heard from neighbours, lack of suicide note, Allison's unending love for her daughters and the FACT that she would never leave them)?

No, the lack of COD does not lead to reasonable doubt.

BBM. Although he appears as guilty as sin in general, this is one piece of "evidence" that I feel has been explained well enough to be discounted. He gave a very reasonable explanation for this and from an unbiased perspective (which a jury should be) it does not seem suspicious at all within the context given.
 
I find it interesting that the googling self incrimination is the only thing he chose to explain in his affidavit for the second bail hearing. The silence about every other thing is deafening.
 
BBM. Although he appears as guilty as sin in general, this is one piece of "evidence" that I feel has been explained well enough to be discounted. He gave a very reasonable explanation for this and from an unbiased perspective (which a jury should be) it does not seem suspicious at all within the context given.

He looked it up twice...once some days prior to the crime, and once a few minutes before calling the police. We differ on what we think is a reasonable explanation.
 
He has given an explanation for it, but we don't know if the prosecution believes his explanation.
 
I wonder how the hearsay testimony will be handled in the trial - will it be admissable? Such as TM stating what GBC told her at various times. Because it is secondhand information, will the jury be allowed to consider it?
 
He looked it up twice...once some days prior to the crime, and once a few minutes before calling the police. We differ on what we think is a reasonable explanation.

I would say his explanation is reasonable - from what I understand, web pages can reload when the internet is accessed - the last visited site can show up. I guess it will depend on if and what he accessed between the two occasions. If it all looks legit, I don't think this is going to help the prosecution's case.
 
He has given an explanation for it, but we don't know if the prosecution believes his explanation.


The page reloaded minutes before calling the police about his missing wife. What a terrible coincidence for him.
 
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