Australia Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #12

[pauldking]

My apologies please replace "Mazda" for "Datsun" in my previous post (I prefer Mazdas). Cars have always been generic throughout the ages and easily mistaken especially in the dark. IMO it is hard to rule out that rusty blue sedan in the driveway of BRE given the current state of play.

 

[pauldking]

Toolbox killers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Bittaker_and_Roy_Norris

I wonder what toolboxes Telstra techs had in their cars over the last 20 years. Bittaker used vice grips, picks, hammers...

 

[PrimeSuspect]

http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...s/news-story/44d3d60b4c894e632bb30a23a11bc787

Great discussion about the vehicle involved in Kerry's abduction/murder, coincidence BRE has such a vehicle? He certainly did hide in plain sight. If it's found to be proven true then imo, BRE did collect souvenirs of his crimes.

 

[pauldking]

http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...s/news-story/44d3d60b4c894e632bb30a23a11bc787

Great discussion about the vehicle involved in Kerry's abduction/murder, coincidence BRE has such a vehicle? He certainly did hide in plain sight. If it's found to be proven true then imo, BRE did collect souvenirs of his crimes.

The rear of earlier Datsuns could easily be mistaken for a Holden Gemini (?) in the dark especially the 130s from 1967-71

(modsnip)

Source: Google Images
and the lower spec'd 200 series (know as Cedrics in other countries) with less chrome trim

Source: Google images

I'm no car-nut and expert advice is of course best sought from car club historians. Gemini spoke/rim/mag info and tyre sizes would be desirable given the potential match IMO.

 

[pauldking]

TF Gemini 1982-83

Source: Wikipedia

The amount of rust suggests it may have been a secondhand purchase from a coastal location. Some cars rusted more than others. A good starter car nonetheless for a burgeoning technician... note hubcaps are spoke-like.

 

[elastic]

RSBM. I pretty much agree with you, except...I think BE is likely responsible for the Kerry Turner murder as well. And she wasn't blitzed. She was conned.

Maybe BE was most comfortable with a blitz-style attack, but he might get have tried to approach women if the situation was favorable.

However, if BE was not involved with Kerry Turner, then I completely support the blitz method.

True but this attack happened many years before the CSK potential Blitz style attacks so the Blitz method more than likely evolved from other methods/attempts.

I would say he used a whole range of MOs but for the CSK attacks im still leaning towards Blitz based on what we know

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[Moustachio]

RSBM. I pretty much agree with you, except...I think BE is likely responsible for the Kerry Turner murder as well. And she wasn't blitzed. She was conned.

Maybe BE was most comfortable with a blitz-style attack, but he might get have tried to approach women if the situation was favorable.

However, if BE was not involved with Kerry Turner, then I completely support the blitz method.

Back in 2015, around about thread #6, someone (correctly, it turns out) spoke about a POI was a Telstra worker, who was a POI because had been offering lifts to girls in the Claremont area …

A reasonably strong chance this is BRE - notwithstanding that the snippet was wrong in saying he was (1) a former cop and (2) retired in the Mandurah area.

Could still have been a blitz, but probably not.

I dare say it would not be easy to get someone into your case from the street (quietly and quickly) when they are terrified and alone, even if you are twice their size.

 

[gajafar]

Just for the record (and Im not doubting Sutton), but the cops didn't think Turner was a CSK victim. We don't know the facts and nitty gritty important details such as MO, but it was mentioned by MACRO that she is not a likely CSK victim.
The following quote from Marshall's book led me to comment here;

"The crime scene and methodology for this murder are in no way similar to the Claremont girls."

The person speaking is SGT Paul Coombes MACRO TASK LEADER

 

[Perth]

His brother is around 5 foot 10 inches according to a friend of mine who worked with him at telstra

 

[Sutton]

Back in 2015, around about thread #6, someone (correctly, it turns out) spoke about a POI was a Telstra worker, who was a POI because had been offering lifts to girls in the Claremont area …

A reasonably strong chance this is BRE - notwithstanding that the snippet was wrong in saying he was (1) a former cop and (2) retired in the Mandurah area.

Could still have been a blitz, but probably not.

I dare say it would not be easy to get someone into your case from the street (quietly and quickly) when they are terrified and alone, even if you are twice their size.

The post was not referring to BE. It was referring to a different person altogether. I've never seen his name published in the media.

Source: When the post was made, I asked the poster who he was referring to. So I guess this should be considered rumor or opinion, but the poster is still a member here, so anyone can ask him.

 

[Sutton]

Just for the record (and Im not doubting Sutton), but the cops didn't think Turner was a CSK victim. We don't know the facts and nitty gritty important details such as MO, but it was mentioned by MACRO that she is not a likely CSK victim.
The following quote from Marshall's book led me to comment here;

"The crime scene and methodology for this murder are in no way similar to the Claremont girls."

The person speaking is SGT Paul Coombes MACRO TASK LEADER

Good point, gaja. But I'll counter that police have a poor track record with linkage analysis in this case. They didn't believe Karrakatta was a CSK victim until 2009. And they didn't concede that connection until DNA (or a 'forensic' link), was proven. Karrakatta herself knew it was the same offender in 1996.

But you're right: we can't make an educated guess until we know more details. And there were definitely other offenders in Perth in that time period.

 

[elastic]

Back in 2015, around about thread #6, someone (correctly, it turns out) spoke about a POI was a Telstra worker, who was a POI because had been offering lifts to girls in the Claremont area …

A reasonably strong chance this is BRE - notwithstanding that the snippet was wrong in saying he was (1) a former cop and (2) retired in the Mandurah area.

Could still have been a blitz, but probably not.

I dare say it would not be easy to get someone into your case from the street (quietly and quickly) when they are terrified and alone, even if you are twice their size.

This worker was NOT Bradley Edwards as far as I am aware. His name is not known but he was investigated and cleared early in the case. Ironically there was ANOTHER Telstra worker in the area actually doing the abductions.

That makes me wonder, back in 1995 Telstra owned pretty much all the telecomunication infrastructure which was enormous back in the day. Especially in a state as big as Western Australia. So how many Telstra workers are there and just how common is it to meet one. Just today i counted a few on the freeway travelling in just one direction. I was stuck next to a Telstra ute for a fair distance of the trip. So i assume it was a very common job and a huge number of people happened to be employeed by this giant corporation. It could very well be that many Telstra workers were out and around Claremont and Cottosloe that night.

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[elastic]

Good point, gaja. But I'll counter that police have a poor track record with linkage analysis in this case. They didn't believe Karrakatta was a CSK victim until 2009. And they didn't concede that connection until DNA (or a 'forensic' link), was proven. Karrakatta herself knew it was the same offender in 1996.

But you're right: we can't make an educated guess until we know more details. And there were definitely other offenders in Perth in that time period.

The Police are terrible at linking crimes. Unless there is DNA they assume every crime must be by a new offender.

The case may very well be linked. It also may very well not be.. lots of weird horrible sexual deviants and killers around Perth in the 80s so it could honestly have been anyone.

The Pauline Walter case has me stumped. Who was she and why no media coverage. Poor woman. Headless and no one gave two stuffs about her. She is so close to Bradley Edwards it is scary. I know that area well, especially before it was developed, and Forrestdale was literally just an extension of Southern River which was literally just the bush/ rural parts around and between the suburbs.. it would be a perfect spot for Bradley Edwards to dump a body easily and quickly.

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[elastic]

Alot of people have suggested searching the bush land around Sutherlands park. As much as i think it could be a possibility that Sarah Spiers body could be found there I very much doubt it. I grew up in the area and can assure you Sutherlands park is a very busy park, lots of people walk there dogs.. in fact it is mainly a dog park due to its size whenever sport is not on. If you put a body around that park somewhere in the bush there is a real serious possibility that it would be found relatively quickly. I used to let my dog roam through the bush and would encounter many other dog owners doing the same. The dogs were mainly friendly natured but some were enormous and could dig a hole in seconds. People tended to have larger dogs in the area because it was a lower class area than the western and coastal suburbs and had its fair share of crime. Most people had there dogs trained as Guard dogs at night.

If you needed to dump a body in the area quickly you would either drive to the foothills using a number of routes and up into a secluded spot ( harder to walk the terrain if u go this way and easy to see people near the hills due to many clearings so cars from long distances can sometimes see miles ) so naturally the best place would be Forrestdale or the surrounds before they split Forrestdale into Harrisdale and Piara Waters back when it was purely rural. Forrestdale would have been the prime location if u needed to get rid of a body quickly. Jandakot regional park is the best location to dump someone and it runs all the way through harrisdale (especially around the prison) and Canning Vale.

I doubt anyone would contemplate Sutherlands park as a dump site or the surrounding nature reserve

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[gajafar]

Good point, gaja. But I'll counter that police have a poor track record with linkage analysis in this case. They didn't believe Karrakatta was a CSK victim until 2009. And they didn't concede that connection until DNA (or a 'forensic' link), was proven. Karrakatta herself knew it was the same offender in 1996.

But you're right: we can't make an educated guess until we know more details. And there were definitely other offenders in Perth in that time period.

Absolutely agree, and BRE's MO could have certainly changed I'll give you that. Don't have a whole lot of faith in WAPOL to be honest-has been a complete schmozzle since faporn took the reins. Especially the whole privacy lunacy which has only created tonnes of speculation, and his one eyed focus on innocent men, the list goes on. Watch this space I reckon! Will be interested to see how the new guy arrested a few days ago Mr AG might fit into the puzzle. Mug shot creeps me out some.

 

[elastic]

There could be a very real possibility that Bradley Edwards is only responsible for the murders of the victims we know of. The odds are there would have been a few other killers around during the lates 80s to late 90s so he may have stopped after Ciara Glennon due to lots of reasons eg. Family etc or just fear of being caught. Dennis Radar is not actually that different to most serial killers (despite what some have said) What people need to realise is just because some killers take a ' cooling off' period it doesnt mean its rare. If a serial killer reaches a certain number of victims the killing wont be anywhere near as satisfying as it use to be. So like sex you can get sick of it if you are exposed to too much of it. The cooling off period could last forever, but usually long enough to gain back the urge to reoffend. If this urge doesnt return then neither will the killer. Genuine relationships the serial killer has throughout his life can have a huge bearing on how that killer behaves or whether he will feel the need to reoffend. Because serial killers are the same intelligence as you and me they have reason and can make good judgement calls just like you and me. If they are a suspect they may never ever reoffend in some cases. If they have a happy fun relationship or partner that may be enough in life for the killer to be happy. Alot of males desire sex that is considered illegal in some middle eastern countries eg. Sodomy. However they will live there lives happy even when requiring this need and having no one to fulfill it. Now psychologically it is different but in lots of ways this analogy is actually very similar as these sexual urges can either be controlled or not. Most uncontrolled killers get caught straight away. People who think through there crimes may last alot longer.

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[lsdmongre]

Absolutely agree, and BRE's MO could have certainly changed I'll give you that. Don't have a whole lot of faith in WAPOL to be honest-has been a complete schmozzle since faporn took the reins. Especially the whole privacy lunacy which has only created tonnes of speculation, and his one eyed focus on innocent men, the list goes on. Watch this space I reckon! Will be interested to see how the new guy arrested a few days ago Mr AG might fit into the puzzle. Mug shot creeps me out some.

Who was the guy who was arrested?

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[Paramau]

Who was the guy who was arrested?

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Who is "Mr AG"?



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[lsdmongre]

Who is "Mr AG"?



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That what I was trying to find out.

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[gajafar]

That what I was trying to find out.

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Arrested a few days ago for rape in WA in 1994. same/similar age range as BRE. See link

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/c...4-scarborough-sex-attack-20170118-gttpjd.html