GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

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I am a long way from Melbourne.
All of my close friends are upset. My observation here is that my male friends are more shocked than my female friends. All equally upset, but the blokes are just having a different time of it with their emotions. Maybe it is a primal thing.
 
Rudra said:
Newtown in Sydney was pretty similar. And it was a good place to live when I was young, but you always needed to have your wits about you at night.

Some of these inner city suburbs used to be the wealthy areas of our expanding young cities at one time. They go through cycles. Newtown is a case in point. It was the first suburb that all the wealthy Sydney merchants went to. I read somewhere that King St Newtown has the longest single run of Victoriana (late 19th century) buildings in the world. Above street level that is. If you look above the awnings it's all heritage listed (as far as I know) and all Victoriana facades.

Even Harlem in New York with its wonderful Brownstone terrace houses was once the suburb to live in.
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My grandparents lived in Newtown 1945-1970. I well remember it before it was trendy.
 
catswhiskers said:
I agree too - what purpose does it serve other than filling loved ones heads with unimaginable images when they are already suffering enough. Every minute detail in most cases would be just horrific, I also understand though that some parents/spouses couldn't bear to not know everything, so I'm not sure who should have the final call either way.
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I appreciate your point, but one purpose will be served. It is much more likely that it will lead to community outrage which will result in the parole system being overhauled. As I mentioned before I don't have a problem with the parole system where it relates to property theft. It's good to give people a second or third chance when it comes to stealing. But the system IMO is far too lenient on perps who commit outrageous crimes against people.

I think it's far too common to say, oh it's just another murder, and thinking that it's crime or drug related.

In Jill's case people aren't saying that. Thanks to social media, people are now starting to pay attention to the fact that not all murders are just another murder that they don't really know about. In this case people are starting to pay attention to the fact that the parole system in Australia has let us down.
 
catswhiskers said:
I agree too - what purpose does it serve other than filling loved ones heads with unimaginable images when they are already suffering enough. Every minute detail in most cases would be just horrific, I also understand though that some parents/spouses couldn't bear to not know everything, so I'm not sure who should have the final call either way.
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The powers that be seem to be able to judge what should and shouldn't be said. People in the public know what happened, not every minute detail but they know enough to be appalled. I think there is a reason for that too. Tom would not have any information held back that he needed or wanted to know, the same applies to her family, usually it is at the discretion at that stage of those who have been informed, in this case, I am am pretty sure her husband and brother know the facts that they wanted to know - what they tell people or how much they can handle is up to them.

Journalists knowing can be to the benefit of the public - it's always an iffy call because you risk that one person that feels it is their moral obligation to share (case in point Alan Jones). I am not going to judge anyone on that because I have been in that position, and it is a tough call separating my profession from my morals and ethics at times.

The jury should always know, that is not to say the public must just because it is in a court room. Those people are chosen and scrutinized to make a decision - they are peers. They actually have to live with it afterwards but they need every ounce of information to make an informed decision. The judge can make that call.

There are benefits of getting information out there, I guess the pros and cons are weighed in Australia, unlike here (America) where all that information is available to the public at some stage. Having experienced both sides I can't say which is the better way, not because I want to keep my opinion secret, just that there are advantages and disadvantages to both. I, personally could pick one over the other, it depends on the circumstances.

I do like the choices made in this particular case though. All my opinion :)
 
possumheart said:
I am a long way from Melbourne.
All of my close friends are upset. My observation here is that my male friends are more shocked than my female friends. All equally upset, but the blokes are just having a different time of it with their emotions. Maybe it is a primal thing.
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Just a further comment. At an 18th male birthday party last night, it was reported that many were discussing this case at some point with appropriate dismay and sadness for Jill. Even our young men can see the gravity and tragedy of this offence. My opinion only.
 
Rudra said:
In Jill's case people aren't saying that. Thanks to social media, people are now starting to pay attention to the fact that not all murders are just another murder that they don't really know about. In this case people are starting to pay attention to the fact that the parole system in Australia has let us down.
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Snipped: I agree the parole system needs an overhaul, there isn't a jail in the world that has a parole system that is 100 percent correct all the time. I believe it starts before that, and Victoria are ahead of other states with that.

Life should mean life, 20 years should mean 20 years, that goes back to many things - starting in the court room.
 
catswhiskers said:
I also understand though that some parents/spouses couldn't bear to not know everything
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I find this a really interesting difference between different personality types. I asked my partner whether, if something like this happened to me, and the killer filmed, and the police gave him the option to watch the footage before it was destroyed, would he?

He said yes, because those were my last moments, and because not seeing it, but knowing the footage existed, and that police had seen it, would be even more distressing. I think I would be the same. But many people would prefer not to, I can understand that too.

I don't think either is right or wrong.
 
possumheart said:
My observation here is that my male friends are more shocked than my female friends.
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Whenever I have told about some minor sexual harassment that has happened to me, my male friends are always more shocked. My female friends are angry, but not shocked. They have a hundred of their own stories to tell. Most men have no idea how much low-level rapey behaviour we endure on a regular basis.
 
Just because the gender response interests me I will share this.
When Steve Irwin's death came on the radio I happened to be in a large service station next to the workshop.
The blokes (blue collars) were laughing, saying he asked for it.
Go figure.
I had to get the hell away from there, it felt really weird. I was the only female around at the time
 
GutFeeling! said:
Snipped: I agree the parole system needs an overhaul, there isn't a jail in the world that has a parole system that is 100 percent correct all the time. I believe it starts before that, and Victoria are ahead of other states with that.

Life should mean life, 20 years should mean 20 years, that goes back to many things - starting in the court room.
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to think that there are 20 people in the parole board that make the decision whether or not they grant a prisoner release onto parole is amazing.
What's more amazing is no one can appeal the boards decision, however a prisoner may request a review of the decision.
 
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Rudra said:
I appreciate your point, but one purpose will be served. It is much more likely that it will lead to community outrage which will result in the parole system being overhauled. As I mentioned before I don't have a problem with the parole system where it relates to property theft. It's good to give people a second or third chance when it comes to stealing. But the system IMO is far too lenient on perps who commit outrageous crimes against people.

I think it's far too common to say, oh it's just another murder, and thinking that it's crime or drug related.

In Jill's case people aren't saying that. Thanks to social media, people are now starting to pay attention to the fact that not all murders are just another murder that they don't really know about. In this case people are starting to pay attention to the fact that the parole system in Australia has let us down.
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I agree, and also, at least here in the USA, family members, often the children of victims now adults, are the ones who attend parole hearings and try to convince the board why the prisoner should not be released; reminding the board exactly how terrible the crime was can be an important part of the process, how the details of the crime devastated the family and the community. It is not that I, or anyone needs to know for sensational reasons, but not all murders are alike. Some are so horrible, the community needs to know in order to make sure this person stays in prison forever.
 
My observation here is that my male friends are more shocked than my female friends.
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I second this statement.

I went to a BBQ over the weekend and there was discussion about Jill Meagher. I couldn't believe 2 out of 6 women were criticising her decision to walk home alone (this sparked much debate). An equal amount of guys were there who were all very sombre about the case and most of them discussed how if they saw a female walking home alone in future, they would offer to escort. I was really touched.

My husband and I have discussed this over and over during the week also. He knows I would expect nothing less of him than to escort a female home.

Also, plenty of my male FB 'friends' have posted lost of status's about their anger and disgust.
 
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