Deceased/Not Found AUSTRALIA - Ms Lesley Trotter, 78, Homicide, Brisbane, 28 Mar 2023

[FromGermany1]

The yellow bin is the recycling bin. The yellow lid designates it as a recycling bin, I believe throughout the whole of Australia.

DI Massingham said that Lesley was in a general waste bin. The general waste bins have a red, green or black lid (I read on the Brisbane Council site, red being the newer style, green or black being older styles).


“Ongoing investigations can reveal that on the morning of March 28 this year, the body of a female we believe was Lesley Trotter was located in a general waste wheelie bin situated on Maryvale Street, Toowong, near to where she resides.”

‘It’s a sad story’: Retired teacher’s body picked up in rubbish bins

Police are now searching rubbish dumps for the remains of Lesley Trotter, 78.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

In GER, like in AUS, the recycling bin is our "yellow bin" with a yellow lid (before, we had "yellow bags").

 

[HinterlandObserver]

For anyone interested in podcasts, search Leslie’s name in Spotify.

 

[nightrider17]

Looks like Unit 3 58 Maryvale Street Toowong sold February 2023 according to Domain Real Estate. I don't know if that has any relevance?? MOO

 

[SLouTh]

Looks like Unit 3 58 Maryvale Street Toowong sold February 2023 according to Domain Real Estate. I don't know if that has any relevance?? MOO

Great Find! Wonder when settlement was ??? Could have been March depending on the contract …. ??
Obviously we have no way of knowing if it is relevant or not, but it must have been recent enough for the sign to still be up.

I can’t imagine still living in that immediate area if you were the culprit, however some people have no scruples ….

IMO

 

[LacieL]

Looks like Unit 3 58 Maryvale Street Toowong sold February 2023 according to Domain Real Estate. I don't know if that has any relevance?? MOO

Was unit 3 her unit?

I have been wondering if this wasn’t a crime motivated by recycling after all. This is all pure speculation by me. If she had sold her unit in Toowong and was yet to settle on the retirement unit there could be some financial motivation from someone?

One of my parents made the same move and we had a discussion about how it would reduce the inheritance due to conditions on resale of the property in the retirement village and also because those properties typically don’t experience much price growth. It’s probably in the hundreds of thousands which depending on someone’s circumstances or vices, could be a motive?

Like I said, I’m speculating here but I can’t help but feel that the timing of her moving might not be a coincidence.

 

[nightrider17]

Just wondering if the unit being sold in the other block was a vacant unit at 58 Maryvale - so the bin belonging to this unit maybe was not being used and was therefore handy to use without anyone knowing?? Since its only 2 doors up. Local knowledge of this bin being free to use would be likely rather than someone from out of the area. MOO

 

[nightrider17]

Was unit 3 her unit?

I have been wondering if this wasn’t a crime motivated by recycling after all. This is all pure speculation by me. If she had sold her unit in Toowong and was yet to settle on the retirement unit there could be some financial motivation from someone?

One of my parents made the same move and we had a discussion about how it would reduce the inheritance due to conditions on resale of the property in the retirement village and also because those properties typically don’t experience much price growth. It’s probably in the hundreds of thousands which depending on someone’s circumstances or vices, could be a motive?

Like I said, I’m speculating here but I can’t help but feel that the timing of her moving might not be a coincidence.

I think she was 2 doors down different block same street but also sold just recently. MOO

 

[SLouTh]

Was unit 3 her unit?

Number 5 / 52 Maryvale

 

[SLouTh]

Was unit 3 her unit?

I have been wondering if this wasn’t a crime motivated by recycling after all. This is all pure speculation by me. If she had sold her unit in Toowong and was yet to settle on the retirement unit there could be some financial motivation from someone?

One of my parents made the same move and we had a discussion about how it would reduce the inheritance due to conditions on resale of the property in the retirement village and also because those properties typically don’t experience much price growth. It’s probably in the hundreds of thousands which depending on someone’s circumstances or vices, could be a motive?

Like I said, I’m speculating here but I can’t help but feel that the timing of her moving might not be a coincidence.

I think we all have considered money as a motive … especially when Massingham wouldn’t comment on any movement in her accounts …

This would mean that it would most likely be someone with inside financial knowledge … which is almost worse to think about…. But possible ….

They would have also most likely known about the recycling altercations and possibly made her death to look like that, trying to “frame“ another, or at least making Police look that way …

IMO

 

[nightrider17]

It seems weirdly coincidental that it has happened just when she is selling. Not sure if it is relevant but its hard not to think it might have been a factor. Wondering if the recent sale prompted someone to ask her for a monetary amount as a favour for a car or something?? The timing of the sale might have been a factor rather than someone accidentally knocking her over driving up the street. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Lesley's unit sold on 19th Feb (easily findable on realestate.com.au) for $439,500. Her death occurred 41 days after that.
In NSW, settlement usually occurs 6 weeks after a property is sold. (42 days later)

Just for further information. And eerily coincidental.


"At settlement, your lender will disburse funds for your home loan and you'll receive the keys to your home. Generally, settlement takes place around 6 weeks after contracts are exchanged."

Exchanging contracts and settlement when buying a home

With a contract of sale agreed upon and finance in place, it's time to exchange and settle. Learn what steps and parties are involved, plus fees to be aware of.

www.nsw.gov.au

 

[SLouTh]

It seems weirdly coincidental that it has happened just when she is selling. Not sure if it is relevant but its hard not to think it might have been a factor.

Yes agree… and are there ever just “coincidences“ when you look at foul play???

However, the financial side is going to be pretty messy for a while now I would think??
The sale may fall through due to her possible murder, and depending on if she has already settled her new unit, or not ??
It will take a while for her executor to sort it all out I would think??? And possibly now that there is a Police Investigation everything will be frozen until her case is resolved??

So if it was done for financial gain they are going to have a long wait while it is all sorted out ….


All MOO

 

[LacieL]

Lesley's unit sold on 19th Feb (easily findable on realestate.com.au) for $439,500. Her death occurred 41 days after that.
In NSW, settlement usually occurs 6 weeks after being sold. (42 days later)

Just for further information. And eerily coincidental.

In QLD settlement varies a lot depending on negotiation between parties but 42 days is common if I remember correctly.

It seems too significant to be a coincidence but if it was someone close to her, who? The niece and nephew mentioned in articles early on, who checked on her, seem very well established professionally. She is referenced as living alone in the apartment for 40 years with no mention of a significant other or children.

I hope it wasn’t someone known to her or if it was she didn’t see them. That seems all the worse.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Looks like Unit 3 58 Maryvale Street Toowong sold February 2023 according to Domain Real Estate. I don't know if that has any relevance?? MOO

There was a sold sign out the front in one of the photos.

 

[SouthAussie]

In QLD settlement varies a lot depending on negotiation between parties but 42 days is common if I remember correctly.

It seems too significant to be a coincidence but if it was someone close to her, who? The niece and nephew mentioned in articles early on, who checked on her, seem very well established professionally. She is referenced as living alone in the apartment for 40 years with no mention of a significant other or children.

I hope it wasn’t someone known to her or if it was she didn’t see them. That seems all the worse.

Yes, 6 week/42 day settlement in Qld is common. I momentarily forgot we were talking about Qld (not NSW) .. hahahaha! Following too many threads here at the moment. Sorry.


Settlement day:

• can be whatever length of time you negotiate with the buyer
• is most commonly 4–6 weeks after both parties sign the contract

Settlement day when selling your home

You stop owning your home on settlement day. Find out about how to prepare for settlement, receive the final payment and hand over to the new owner.

www.qld.gov.au

 

[SLouTh]

It seems weirdly coincidental that it has happened just when she is selling

We could also look at this being weirdly coincidental from the other side too…..

28th March, may have been the last time she would ever sort the bins in readiness for that garbage truck, as she was scheduled to move to her new retirement unit that next week….

Did the perpetrator know that Information?


IMO

 

[LacieL]

On the 17th of March the agent that listed Leslie’s unit posted a testimonial from her that seemed to imply that the settlement had already taken place.

The agent is brettandreassen on Instagram if you want to look it up.

It said:

“Lesley
5/52 Maryvale Street, Toowong
A Great Experience!

Brett provided me with a wonderful experience in selling my property! He was invariably prompt, efficient and meticulous in his delivery of all services;

his advice re process was extremely knowledgeable, helpful and effective, and was then executed impeccably.

The whole venture culminated very very successfully. I think for all parties. Added to this, Brett is a most approachable and engaging personality, with a sense of humour to boot. Full marks!”

It’s possible she was renting the unit back off the new owner?

 

[LacieL]

Further information from the RE agents social media. This time a video on Facebook.

Apparently 64 buyers inspected the apartment over two weeks. 25 registered to make an offer through an online bidding system and 7 made offers through it.

The bit I found most interesting is that he goes on to say that Leslie chose to take a slightly lower price due to the conditions attached.

He also mentions that the offer she accepted was unconditional.Presumably he means no building/pest/finance clauses as it sounds as though there were potentially conditions from Leslie’s end.

Maybe none of that is related to her suspected murder but it does open some other potential motives. Some kind of conflict with the new owner over conditions, a disgruntled buyer who missed out? This last part is just my speculation of course.

 

[SouthAussie]

It’s possible she was renting the unit back off the new owner?

The bit I found most interesting is that he goes on to say that Leslie chose to take a slightly lower price due to the conditions attached.

He also mentions that the offer she accepted was unconditional.Presumably he means no building/pest/finance clauses as it sounds as though there were potentially conditions from Leslie’s end.

I think it is possible/probable that one of Lesley's conditions was that she could stay in the unit until her retirement home unit was ready. She may have had a known date for that, at the time of accepting the offer.

Perhaps the highest bidder wanted immediate occupancy only (upon settlement).

It seems that Lesley's unit sold quickly, maybe more quickly than expected, and it can be hard to align the dates of leaving one place and moving into another place.

 

[Marg944]

On the 17th of March the agent that listed Leslie’s unit posted a testimonial from her that seemed to imply that the settlement had already taken place.

The agent is brettandreassen on Instagram if you want to look it up.

It said:

“Lesley
5/52 Maryvale Street, Toowong
A Great Experience!

Brett provided me with a wonderful experience in selling my property! He was invariably prompt, efficient and meticulous in his delivery of all services;

his advice re process was extremely knowledgeable, helpful and effective, and was then executed impeccably.

The whole venture culminated very very successfully. I think for all parties. Added to this, Brett is a most approachable and engaging personality, with a sense of humour to boot. Full marks!”

It’s possible she was renting the unit back off the new owner?

A warm welcome Lacie! Fantastic sleuthing work!