How likely would it have been that Tostee could see all that was taking place through those large glass doors?
No stop, don't, it's all good you can go home.....nothing except, heavy breathing, s*** and a call to his lawyer.
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Just guessing. You have not read the discussion? I'll go the the kernel. She was not imprisoned. Not even the Crown asserts she was. After she attacked him violently, and using legal moderate force, he manages (how is not known) to get her to the balcony. Crown case is that he then shut and locked the door, and that is the end of his engagement with her. From that moment on, she was the Master of her own destiny. Everything beyond that is pure speculation, other than, she chose to attempt to climb down from a 14th Floor balcony, rather than stay where she was. She could have screamed her lungs off asking for help if she thought she was in danger. Nah. She elects to climb over, and the rest is history.
Just guessing. You have not read the discussion? I'll go the the kernel. She was not imprisoned. Not even the Crown asserts she was. After she attacked him violently, and using legal moderate force, he manages (how is not known) to get her to the balcony. Crown case is that he then shut and locked the door, and that is the end of his engagement with her. From that moment on, she was the Master of her own destiny. Everything beyond that is pure speculation, other than, she chose to attempt to climb down from a 14th Floor balcony, rather than stay where she was. She could have screamed her lungs off asking for help if she thought she was in danger. Nah. She elects to climb over, and the rest is history.
Luckily the legally wegally laws we have in place are a little more complex than that and allow for cases where someone contributes to another's death, even if the victim's decision-making formed part of the unfolding events.Now where did I put that cookbook....Except....it is common ground that her choice was to climb over the railing within seconds of arriving at the balcony. Her choice. Her choice. Her decision. Her decision. Not one he, or anyone could reasonably anticipate.
Except....it is common ground that her choice was to climb over the railing within seconds of arriving at the balcony. Her choice. Her choice. Her decision. Her decision. Not one he, or anyone could reasonably anticipate.
BBM.
Maybe she did. Who knows, That is for the Crown to explain on the evidence it led at the Trial. The relevant question is.....why did she not just stay there, calm down, relieved he did not toss her off, relax, even go to sleep....and then, knock on the door by way of obvious contrition for her appalling conduct up to when she was put out there. That is not 'victim bashing.' That is the Crown concession that she had unlawfully assaulted him. People seem to be glossing over what led up to her being on the balcony. She was a violent person, unlawfully attacking him, in his Unit. The Crown concedes that.
Wot?
She should have laid down and gone to sleep (on the cold balcony, with no blanket, while fearing for her life) "relieved" he didn't toss her off? Then once she woke up she should have knocked on the door all apologetic and remorseful??
Again, wot?
I guess she should have given him a blowy afterwards too to show how grateful she was for not getting tossed off the 14th floor.
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I am confused by Aussie Law, because in the U.S. that's false imprisonment. And if you die during said False imprisonment then it's at least manslaughter. She was LOCKED in a portion of HIS home. And then SHE DIED.Yes, he restrained her on the property, denied her requests to be removed from it. Because, she'd "been a bad girl"
Neighbor may be assuming she's speaking to him. She was probably addressing gable whom the neighbor wouldn't even see from that angle. Sorry, because of what this witness thought he saw, alot of this case doesn't make sense, so thank God we have the recording which tells a remarkably different story than what the neighbor saw. Jmo.moo.Agreed but would you think you would contemplate climbing that railing for at least a moment before you actually try and execute it?
Wouldn't you yell to the neighbours or something. I just can't imagine her making such a split second decision and throwing herself over that railing without thinking about it for a second.
Of course it's possible just not how I imagine it would have gone down. Also in the recording you can hear him shut the door and he's breathing heavy and then within seconds she drops.
Where was the time for the neighbour to speak with her about climbing back up?
In the recording it seems to all happen within seconds.
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Except he tells her she's being recorded.The problem with that theory is that by Crown admission, Tostee may well have even forgotten he was recording, at least at times.
Except he tells her she's being recorded.
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I don't know what's more disgusting, the individual or the apologists.
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The apologists are worse, as at least Tostee knows he did something wrong. MOO.