Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #26

[bearbear]

early journalist and supt paul fehon account of the day william went missing worth re reading.....

https://m.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=804822206268634&id=114990695251792&substory_index=0

 

[sosocurious]

ACA affair can reveal a pedo ring operating around Kendall where William vanished in Sept 2014 and previously announced as a strong line of inquiry has all but been ruled out.

https://www.9now.com.au/a-current-affair/2017/clip-cj7hegzto000u0glryn6unas1

Does this mean there was actually no pedo ring operating around Kendall? Just a few unsavoury characters that were exposed, 2 of which being high profile rape cases? Or that there was a pedo ring uncovered and those members have all but been ruled out in Williams disappearance, but charged with other offences?

All but ...... with one exception? The lone wolf.

He has a local mate, a knockabout, gun-barrel-straight bloke named Colin Youngberry, who has become his reluctant spokesman. “I believe what I say and I say what I believe,” Youngberry says. He believes in Spedding. He says when his friend is legally able to make an official statement on William’s disappearance, there will be “fireworks”.
He doesn’t believe the pedophile ring rumours. “I think (police) are following any comment that’s made to keep filling in the picture, mate,” he says.
“Not one person has been hit with anything from a pedophile ring, have they?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...d/news-story/2d8aa4bde6c83ded451c26090fb55643

Police stressed the search was only one line of inquiry in the baffling case and Mr Spedding said he was certain the inquiry would clear his name.
“They’re following up each and every lead they have and it was our turn to be that lead to be investigated,” he said.
“I’ve always hoped for a good outcome for the Tyrell family. It’s the fact that we have children too, and could it happen to us?
“That’s something that’s always on our mind.”

The couple yesterday collected their two cars, including Mr Spedding’s work van, after police seized them for testing. They are still waiting for police to finish with a third vehicle.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...l/news-story/6d94cf0b183fb09f927bc96e3d67ce58

Curious about that third car.

 

[bearbear]

just one of the many instances of persons "acting oddly"

'Today, somebody is keeping a secret. They got up this morning. Had breakfast. Realised they need to pick up some more milk.'Wasted time on Facebook. Made some calls. All the while maintaining a poker face.All the while pretending not to know. But somebody knows what happened to three-year-old William Tyrell.
'Somebody knows if William is being treated with kindness today or with cruelty. Somebody, somewhere knows and they’re keeping it a secret. Missing from his home in Kendall , on the NSW coast, Australia since Friday, September 12. PLEASE SHARE AND HOPE HE IS FOUND.'
Five days later, on December 7, he posted another message on Facebook which marked the three months since the boy had vanished, saying 'Where is he?'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Bill-Speddo-Spedding-came-police-radar.html

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[Bohemian]

Can anyone remember if a child safety warning specific to the Port Macquarie area was issued by police in relation to William's disappearance?

 

[bearbear]

wasnt there a post and photo on the police fb page around that time, about a search for a missing registered child sex offender in the port macquarie area?
dont think any child safety warnings were issiued in the kendall area though?

 

[Bohemian]

wasnt there a post and photo on the police fb page around that time, about a search for a missing registered child sex offender in the port macquarie area?
dont think any child safety warnings were issiued in the kendall area though?

I seem to remember there was but I can't remember his name. [It wasn't the person who had failed to appear in court on child *advertiser censored* charges was it?]

I can't remember a specific child safety warning for the area being issued by police at the time either.

 

[Bohemian]

WILLIAM TYRRELL: ON THIRD ANNIVERSARY OF LITTLE WILLIAM’S ABDUCTION, DAD REVEALED AS EX-CON
CANDACE SUTTON, CLARISSA BYE & ANDREW KOUBARIDIS
The Daily Telegraph
September 12, 2017 12:00am

'Children’s rights advocate Mary Moore, who has spoken to the family, said it may have helped if the public had known the truth.

“William is — sadly was — a child in the care of the Minister that went missing and FACS deliberately withheld that information from the public, not to protect William Tyrrell, but themselves, ” she said.'

Read more at:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...n/news-story/ec0a95a4fb56b5be78791dfc641efc75

I don't remember reading those paragraphs before now. Which family is Ms Moore speaking of, William's biological or foster family? And who is Mary Moore?
___________

ETA.

Mary Moore is the Convener of the Alliance for Family Preservation and Restoration:

http://allianceforfamilypreservationandrestoration.webs.com/

It's likely the family she is speaking of is William's biological family.

 

[leep]

WILLIAM TYRRELL: ON THIRD ANNIVERSARY OF LITTLE WILLIAM’S ABDUCTION, DAD REVEALED AS EX-CON
CANDACE SUTTON, CLARISSA BYE & ANDREW KOUBARIDIS
The Daily Telegraph
September 12, 2017 12:00am

'Children’s rights advocate Mary Moore, who has spoken to the family, said it may have helped if the public had known the truth.

“William is — sadly was — a child in the care of the Minister that went missing and FACS deliberately withheld that information from the public, not to protect William Tyrrell, but themselves, ” she said.'

Read more at:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...n/news-story/ec0a95a4fb56b5be78791dfc641efc75

I don't remember reading those paragraphs before now. Which family is Ms Moore speaking of, William's biological or foster family? And who is Mary Moore?

Bio family I think, it was always only about protecting FACS or his name wouldn't of ever been released if it was about protecting William status.


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[tiddles24]

Hi, new here but have read the forums for a long time.

I agree. I can understand the reasoning behind not publicly acknowledging that William's sister (who is to my knowledge, still in foster care) is a foster child...but it only takes a small amount of searching online to find a whole lot of personal details about her, including photos. The foster grandmother is easy enough to find too.

As people have said, the FB accounts of the foster and bio parents were super public in the beginning and likely well before William went missing.

So in my personal opinion, the excuse/reason given that the foster parent's identities shouldn't be made public because then people would know that William's sister is in foster care and is "missing child William Tyrrell's sister" is just not good enough. People already know.

I just don't think that is the real reason, I think it is less about her experiencing the stigma of being known as a foster child than it is about the foster parents remaining "unnamed" and I wonder why that could be so important...

The most important thing should be finding William and I firmly believe that the identities of the foster parents should be made known publicly.

Why is it REALLY so important that their identities are secret? I don't trust the motives behind this.

Yes I know the parents/foster parents have been cleared but just my opinion and thoughts.

I agree with a lot of your thoughts here.

Could the "real reason" for the foster parents not wanting their identities made known be that they may be afraid of not being able to cope with the emotional backlash they may receive from the public and social media, because William disappeared while in THEIR care.

I have been thinking about this for a long time now and that is the only reason I can come up with for now.

No offence to anyone meant here, as it is a touchy subject and a very sad situation to be in. IMO MOO

Little William, I think of you every day, wherever you may be. *advertiser censored*

 

[tmar]

Hi, new here but have read the forums for a long time.

I agree. I can understand the reasoning behind not publicly acknowledging that William's sister (who is to my knowledge, still in foster care) is a foster child...but it only takes a small amount of searching online to find a whole lot of personal details about her, including photos. The foster grandmother is easy enough to find too.

As people have said, the FB accounts of the foster and bio parents were super public in the beginning and likely well before William went missing.

So in my personal opinion, the excuse/reason given that the foster parent's identities shouldn't be made public because then people would know that William's sister is in foster care and is "missing child William Tyrrell's sister" is just not good enough. People already know.

I just don't think that is the real reason, I think it is less about her experiencing the stigma of being known as a foster child than it is about the foster parents remaining "unnamed" and I wonder why that could be so important...

The most important thing should be finding William and I firmly believe that the identities of the foster parents should be made known publicly.

Why is it REALLY so important that their identities are secret? I don't trust the motives behind this.

Yes I know the parents/foster parents have been cleared but just my opinion and thoughts.

WELCOME What's up with that!!!
Beaut that you are now posting.
:loveyou:

 

[sosocurious]

I seem to remember there was but I can't remember his name. [It wasn't the person who had failed to appear in court on child *advertiser censored* charges was it?]

I can't remember a specific child safety warning for the area being issued by police at the time either.

I can't remember a child safety warning either.
Just this.

At a community briefing at Kendall Showground on Sunday September 21, children played, but didn't wander more than a few metres from their parents.
They came every few minutes to put a hand on their parents, a quick hug before going back to their friends.
When Camden Haven SES unit controller Paul Burg called for the meeting to begin, the children quickly sat in the centre, at the feet of detectives, local police, investigation specialists and emergency services to listen.

Police local area commander, Superintendent Paul Fehon, called the briefing to thank the Camden Haven community for the outpouring of support in the search and investigation to find William. Supt Fehon made clear from the outset he did not want to cause fear in the community, but awareness.

"There are a lot of unknowns baffling us at this stage. We have put a lot into this. We have come to the stage where we are going over the same ground and we're not finding anything," Supt Fehon said.
"You've heard the media that we've put out there in regard to whether young William was lost in the bush or whether young William succumbed to some other human intervention; of course I think that is the area that will be of most concern to you the community."

http://www.camdencourier.com.au/story/2575470/william-tyrell-the-faces-of-those-who-searched/

 

[Bohemian]

I can't remember a child safety warning either.
Just this.

At a community briefing at Kendall Showground on Sunday September 21, children played, but didn't wander more than a few metres from their parents.
They came every few minutes to put a hand on their parents, a quick hug before going back to their friends.
When Camden Haven SES unit controller Paul Burg called for the meeting to begin, the children quickly sat in the centre, at the feet of detectives, local police, investigation specialists and emergency services to listen.

Police local area commander, Superintendent Paul Fehon, called the briefing to thank the Camden Haven community for the outpouring of support in the search and investigation to find William. Supt Fehon made clear from the outset he did not want to cause fear in the community, but awareness.

"There are a lot of unknowns baffling us at this stage. We have put a lot into this. We have come to the stage where we are going over the same ground and we're not finding anything," Supt Fehon said.
"You've heard the media that we've put out there in regard to whether young William was lost in the bush or whether young William succumbed to some other human intervention; of course I think that is the area that will be of most concern to you the community."

http://www.camdencourier.com.au/story/2575470/william-tyrell-the-faces-of-those-who-searched/

Thank you soso x

 

[deugirtni]

WILLIAM TYRRELL: ON THIRD ANNIVERSARY OF LITTLE WILLIAM’S ABDUCTION, DAD REVEALED AS EX-CON
CANDACE SUTTON, CLARISSA BYE & ANDREW KOUBARIDIS
The Daily Telegraph
September 12, 2017 12:00am

'Children’s rights advocate Mary Moore, who has spoken to the family, said it may have helped if the public had known the truth.

“William is — sadly was — a child in the care of the Minister that went missing and FACS deliberately withheld that information from the public, not to protect William Tyrrell, but themselves, ” she said.'

Read more at:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...n/news-story/ec0a95a4fb56b5be78791dfc641efc75

I don't remember reading those paragraphs before now. Which family is Ms Moore speaking of, William's biological or foster family? And who is Mary Moore?
___________

ETA.

Mary Moore is the Convener of the Alliance for Family Preservation and Restoration:

http://allianceforfamilypreservationandrestoration.webs.com/

It's likely the family she is speaking of is William's biological family.

I did a search for the name, along with 'child advocate'.. and it brought a bunch of links. Here are a couple.

http://www.goulburnpost.com.au/story/2879778/rights-violated-in-child-protection-laws/

http://www.miacat.com/GMAR_Mary_Moore_Grandmothers_Against_Removal_Rally_Speech_Canberra.html

 

[Hbayne]

ACA affair can reveal a pedo ring operating around Kendall where William vanished in Sept 2014 and previously announced as a strong line of inquiry has all but been ruled out.

https://www.9now.com.au/a-current-affair/2017/clip-cj7hegzto000u0glryn6unas1

Does this mean there was actually no pedo ring operating around Kendall? Just a few unsavoury characters that were exposed, 2 of which being high profile rape cases? Or that there was a pedo ring uncovered and those members have all but been ruled out in Williams disappearance, but charged with other offences?

All but ...... with one exception? The lone wolf.

He has a local mate, a knockabout, gun-barrel-straight bloke named Colin Youngberry, who has become his reluctant spokesman. “I believe what I say and I say what I believe,” Youngberry says. He believes in Spedding. He says when his friend is legally able to make an official statement on William’s disappearance, there will be “fireworks”.
He doesn’t believe the pedophile ring rumours. “I think (police) are following any comment that’s made to keep filling in the picture, mate,” he says.
“Not one person has been hit with anything from a pedophile ring, have they?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...d/news-story/2d8aa4bde6c83ded451c26090fb55643

Police stressed the search was only one line of inquiry in the baffling case and Mr Spedding said he was certain the inquiry would clear his name.
“They’re following up each and every lead they have and it was our turn to be that lead to be investigated,” he said.
“I’ve always hoped for a good outcome for the Tyrell family. It’s the fact that we have children too, and could it happen to us?
“That’s something that’s always on our mind.”

The couple yesterday collected their two cars, including Mr Spedding’s work van, after police seized them for testing. They are still waiting for police to finish with a third vehicle.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...l/news-story/6d94cf0b183fb09f927bc96e3d67ce58

Curious about that third car.

I think our fearless leader knows exactly who this lone wolf is....

 

[sosocurious]

I did not get the impression from what I have read in the past, that Morcombe's killer was on LE's short list of POIs. From what I read, I understood that it took a coroner's inquest to reopen LE's minds (or at least the ones in charge of the investigation) to his killer.

This is why it is disturbing to me, and possibly to some others, that LE seem to have completely discounted certain potential POIs from this case, even prior to knowing what has happened to WT.

Cowan's sting operation did not begin until after the inquest took place, and it likely would never have happened if not for that inquest. mho.


http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/03/13/sting-caught-daniels-killer

Operational difficulties

Cowan was always on the suspect radar in the Morcombe case. This would have been due to his proximity to the initial crime scene and his propensity for this type of offence, as illustrated by his extensive criminal record. He received special attention during the coronial inquest into Morcombe’s disappearance.

Just how far police had planned ahead is indicated by the use of the coroner’s inquest as a pretext to introduce a covert operative to Cowan. This was the beginning of a complex and long-term operation. The sting was both elaborate and convincing.

The difficulty of this operation was not only its timing but also the logistical challenges, covert resource demand and cross-jurisdictional legal concerns. In one Canadian example:

Over 50 undercover police officers were involved in [an] operation which included strippers, lap dances, two undercover police officers naked in a bed together, and a trip to British Columbia to meet ‘Mr Big’.
The covert operation used in the Morcombe case spanned all of Australia. Its achievement of a positive outcome is no small testament to the competent operational management and tenacious detectives working on the investigation.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/na...-solved-the-morcombe-case-20140317-34x2f.html

 

[tiddles24]

I did not get the impression from what I have read in the past, that Morcombe's killer was on LE's short list of POIs. From what I read, I understood that it took a coroner's inquest to reopen LE's minds (or at least the ones in charge of the investigation) to his killer.

This is why it is disturbing to me, and possibly to some others, that LE seem to have completely discounted certain potential POIs from this case, even prior to knowing what has happened to WT.

Cowan's sting operation did not begin until after the inquest took place, and it likely would never have happened if not for that inquest. mho.


http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/03/13/sting-caught-daniels-killer

Hi deugirtni...You are 100% correct...

Cowan's sting operation did not begin UNTIL AFTER the CORONIAL INQUEST took place and it is likely it would NEVER have happened if not for the Morcombe's and their lawyer's demands for the inquest, as they were disappointed with some aspects of how the investigation was being handled by the police from the beginning.

As I've stated before on these threads, I live on the Sunshine Coast very close to where Daniel was abducted and have followed this case very closely right from the beginning since 2003.

In fact, I have posted upthread (a few pages back) that the Leading Investigator (who is now the Assisstant Commissioner) is being investigated over claims of alleged misconduct at the time of the Coronial Inquest into the murder of Daniel Morcombe.

 

[Karinna]

Makes me consider given the connections of various people to GAZA that those responsible may have had children removed by welfare authorities and have abducted William as their replacement child. William's sister may also have been a target but went inside at the precise time.

What is GAZA? Do you mean the g/parents group GAPA? Because the Gaza strip is in the middle east.

 

[Warshawski]

I could not help but notice the little fella standing on the other side of the fence, finger sticking through the gap.
Seems so normal for kids to be just playing/observing from the yard.
Of course there could have been an adult right beside him. Maybe not.
Just as there appears to be someone walking alongside KT.
imo

IMO, it's always been the 'normal' versus the other..

I looked at this pic and saw a young lady (apparently Karlie) with child on hip, walking somewhere ... Yep, cute kid over the fence ... Who's fence it is I have no idea ... Who's kid it is also for that matter, I also have no idea ... and who may be the 1/4 person to her right, I also have no idea, nor do I particularly care!

My focus is on trying to find that needle in the haystack ... The answer to the mystery that surrounds William's disappearance.

This is surely the entitlement for ALL who have ever known William, let alone those more intimately involved with him.

I feel for Karlie, bearing & losing a child - that it's with you every waking moment, some more intense than others. Caring for & then loving a child, only to lose them ... that place they occupied in your 'being' is now empty. Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles, extended family members - the width and depth of pain over the disappearance of this little boy must be so extensive.

This is not right, it's so unfair, it's absolutely unfathonable that one human being could / would inflict this upon another...

They've had plenty of opportunities to come forward, to plead their case, and make their peace - the time is up IMO and may their body Rot on an Ants Nest in the Middle of a Desert, as their Soul (to me, very essence of their being & pain threshold) spend eternity being licked by the flames of hell.

 

[Karinna]

I think our fearless leader knows exactly who this lone wolf is....

Wonder why the lone perp. hasn't been arrested yet then?

 

[butterstick]

Sad thing about recent police interviews is that it seems the anonymous Lone Wolf really is their focus now.

Meaning the Pedo ring and WT's nearby associates have been exhausted by the investigation.

We were in shallow water for easy/likely fishing there for a while, but now it feels like we've stepped off the continental shelf.