Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #48

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  1. SouthAussie

    SouthAussie Well-Known Member

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    This is Ms Kite's updated chart - for those who cannot open the last revision - but I believe Ms Kite will be updating it further with link adjustments IIRC.


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  2. stormbird

    stormbird Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, SouthAussie, that was very kind!
     
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    drsleuth Well-Known Member

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    Great chart Ms Kite :)
     
  4. deugirtni

    deugirtni Well-Known Member

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    From looking at this shot of FGM's subdivision, it looks like the Ws were not that close, and that there were a lot of trees in between the properties.
    Benaroon neighborhood.jpg
    The day William Tyrrell vanished

    When Mrs.W was interviewed in media, she said that her husband was also out. I'm sure police would've checked this out?:
    “I wasn’t home and my husband wasn’t home. The only thing I was able to tell police was that I heard the children playing but didn’t see them … I just heard kids laughing and you could tell they were little children,” Mrs Wilson said.
    “I don’t think it was an opportunistic grab from someone who just happened to be here because we don’t get strangers wandering around.”

    We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph
     
  5. Ms Kite

    Ms Kite Well-Known Member

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    Thanks SA - I trawled through Lia's tweets too and wasn't able to recover anything either.

    I might leave him out there on his own for the time being.
     
  6. Ms Kite

    Ms Kite Well-Known Member

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    Thank you SA! Just catching up.

    Modified version of relationships map WT Relationships Mapv.4 - Copy.JPG attached - V4.
     
  7. Ms Kite

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    Much appreciated Stormbird. I've attached the latest version as a jpg so that might make it easier for you (and others?) to download.
     
  8. Ms Kite

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    I've also attempted to generate a visual timeline - not to be controversial - but because I generally think it could be helpful.

    I started off using the info provided a few threads back when timelines were being discussed -originally compiled by Frogwell (and kindly added to by many other WebSleuthers -please don't be offended if I don't name you all as I'm sure to get it wrong) and since then have been cross checking it with other MSM sources including Lia's tweets.

    Lia Harris (@LiaJHarris) | Twitter

    So... please be mindful that this is just a draft and that I am inviting constructive feedback with the view that it can be a shared resource for others, should they wish to use it.

    It's only part 1 of the timeline I've been working on for the day William went missing - covering off on from the kids first woke up until when the first police arrived.

    The top line relates to observations made by William's Foster Family and FGM's neighbours. The bottom line shows what PS was doing in the same time frame.

    There are a few times that I'm not entirely sure about (as highlighted)- particularly in relation to the hearing of car/s by the Crabbes that were mentioned in the original list (see link below). I can't be sure whether the Crabbes heard a car on two separate occasions or whether the times have been mixed up. Any clarification would be appreciated.

    Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #48"]Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #48


    Anyway - what I'm trying to show here is that PS's window of opportunity is very small. Not impossible, just small.

    I also found it interesting that no "times" seem to be publicly available for activities between when PS finished his phone call at 10:07 and when he says Heather left for bingo approximately 30 mins later.

    I know he said he was packing his bags.. but what I'm getting at is that it seems there was no time period specifically attributed to that activity and it just so happens to be when William went missing.

    Lia Harris on Twitter

    Lia Harris on Twitter

    PS Timeline - Copy.JPG

    If you can fill the gap in question, please let me know.

    All MOO!!!
     
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  9. SouthAussie

    SouthAussie Well-Known Member

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    Love the visuals. So clear to read. Thanks!
     
  10. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    My neighbour has twin grandchildren, I have never seen them but I do know when they visit and play outside because I can hear them. It’s at her house because that’s where the noise is coming from.

    I don’t need to see that it’s them there.
     
  11. Whàngarei

    Whàngarei Well-Known Member

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    JW heard the children .yet ps didn’t . JW knew the children were at 48.she drove off knowing that. She knows fgm ? She knows ps? She knows .
     
  12. SouthAussie

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    I was relistening to Lia's tenth podcast - Secrets & Suspicions - last night. From my notes about it ....

    Closed court on Friday last week (9/8/19) – for testimony from 5 anonymous witnesses.
    Closed court due to risk of safety of witnesses and/or revealing police methods and/or protecting evidence.
    Their evidence could be revealed by Coroner in her inquest report, or if charges are laid.

    Secrets and Suspicions
     
  13. bearbear

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    lots of trees and shrubbery for someone to watch and hide in though along the fencelines
     
  14. SouthAussie

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    There is a little excerpt of what Judy Wilson said in an interview ...

    "I would say that the abduction idea has been there since the beginning really, because after the search and they found no sign of him, they would have to think that he was removed by other human intervention. That's what I thought and that's what a lot of other people thought in the town."
    Fresh leads in disappearance of three-year-old William Tyrell
     
  15. Whàngarei

    Whàngarei Well-Known Member

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    It’s not even that imo but yes plenty of places to watch and snatch. It’s a group removal pass the parcel type extraction . Hand signal ,verbal through an open car window ,no phone required just do it he’s there alone . Then multiple vehicles . Changing him he’s out of there very quickly . Surprising how they are connected imo.( Of course all of this in my opinion )
     
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  16. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    Could the noise be buffered from the verandah as a line of sound might travel straight through to JW’s but not around FGM’s house to PS.

    FGM’s is higher than both other properties so sound might travel easier in a quiet location.
    Just some thoughts.
     
  17. Whàngarei

    Whàngarei Well-Known Member

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    They were out in the drive next to the carport riding bikes when jw left?
     
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    Whàngarei Well-Known Member

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    They weren’t on that verandah which runs along high off the ground they were on a small verandah separate but doors into laundry and dining /kitchen
     
  19. Blues Clues

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    A statement from HS would be very revealing I'm sure.

    A scenario that may be plausible is that Heather actually left earlier, something occurred, it was dealt with and she left again at the time given by PS. His minute details do not fit with the timeline given by Det. Beecroft. Why is that I wonder?

    'A Benaroon Drive resident said his wife drove out of the street, which William's grandmother no longer lives in, one minute before William disappeared.
    It was 26 or 28 minutes to 11am, he remembered with minute detail.
    "She never saw a car or noticed anything strange," he said.'

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html
     
  20. JLZ

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    I believe that was a mistake of mine. The link was between GO and MM.
     
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