Brandon Scott Lavergne - Guilty Plea and LWOP

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THIS IS ONLY A THEORY!!!

I was thinking about this last night... We know BSL was on the phone with escort services before seeing Mickey. And we also know that he switched lanes on University, apparently after seeing her cross over. I can only assume he had "one thing" on his mind. What if he pulled along side of her and tried to "pick her up" and she denied the offer or just ignored him and kept peddling? So then he gets pissed off that she didn't want to go with him and he proceeds to ram her bike from behind out of anger knowing that was the only way to get her. Then he gets her in the truck and by this time she knows she is in danger, hence her trying to call for help. So that makes him even more mad and the fight/struggle between the two erupts... JMO
 
THIS IS ONLY A THEORY!!!

I was thinking about this last night... We know BSL was on the phone with escort services before seeing Mickey. And we also know that he switched lanes on University, apparently after seeing her cross over. I can only assume he had "one thing" on his mind. What if he pulled along side of her and tried to "pick her up" and she denied the offer or just ignored him and kept peddling? So then he gets pissed off that she didn't want to go with him and he proceeds to ram her bike from behind out of anger knowing that was the only way to get her. Then he gets her in the truck and by this time she knows she is in danger, hence her trying to call for help. So that makes him even more mad and the fight/struggle between the two erupts... JMO
My feeling is that he couldnt get an appt. immediately. That is why he was calling "services". Frustration, wanting immediate gratification, saw an opportunity.
I used to think he had stalked her, but not since I heard of him calling escort services.
I also suspect he was trolling around the time the bars were being closed.
(Is it 2:00 a.m.?)
It is around here.
Trolling for gals alone, hopefully with alcohol in them.
We have been told that Mickey had nothig to drink that night, but had been hanging out with friends.
Oh What an alert surprise he encountered!
Mighty Mick!
Oh! I do however think he stalked her that night! Just no beforehand.
 
My feeling is that he couldnt get an appt. immediately. That is why he was calling "services". Frustration, wanting immediate gratification, saw an opportunity.
I used to think he had stalked her, but not since I heard of him calling escort services.
I also suspect he was trolling around the time the bars were being closed.
(Is it 2:00 a.m.?)
It is around here.
Trolling for gals alone, hopefully with alcohol in them.
We have been told that Mickey had nothig to drink that night, but had been hanging out with friends.
Oh What an alert surprise he encountered!
Mighty Mick!

Yes it is 2:00am. I don't think he stalked her either. I think he wanted one thing and was just driving around looking for it.
 
June 14th is the day LPD got the tip about the burned truck.

From the press conference:

It was a tip from a concerned citizen, though, that broke the case wide open.

“On June 14, investigators received information…regarding a white Z71 that may be involved in Mickey’s disappearance,” Craft said. “The vehicle in question was registered to Brandon Lavergne.”

I think you're right TXLAMS. Not sure who called it in, but that was their Ah ha moment apparently! And maybe that family member mentioned by Wanthib.

Thanks guys.
 
I guess we may never know the entire truth of what happened to my sweet friend. He could not even keep his story straight because he told his family he was attached on Bourbon street and the police it was at a gas station. I keep wondering about the pepper spray. BW told us before a search that she had it in her hand if my memory is correct. When did she use it on him?

He hit her bike with his truck and bent the back wheel. She flew off her bike. So he gets out of his truck and then what? How did he get her in the truck?

I can not connect the dots. I think she maced him right away and she got his knife then and stabbed him. He got it back cutting his hand and stabbed her. He picked her up and put her in the passenger seat and put the bike in the back and drove off before someone saw or heard.

I think the gun shot to the head was not because she got the knife again but as a "screw you" move showing his rage for her injuring him. That could have been done at the cane field and then he went home to tend his wounds and regroup.

I guess if there is info that was released already about the location of his wounds and where he drove after St Landry, I would have more piece of mind on how she got in the truck. I can not see her accepting a ride from someone that hit her with a truck. I do not see him letting her get in his truck still holding the pepper spray and having her bag with a cell phone in it.

Thanks for letting me express my thoughts.

I'm inclined to agree with your gunshot theory.


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Maybe so, but from the press conference:


It was a tip from a concerned citizen, though, that broke the case wide open.

“On June 14, investigators received information…regarding a white Z71 that may be involved in Mickey’s disappearance,” Craft said. “The vehicle in question was registered to Brandon Lavergne.”

My thinking is that the place he was purchasing a truck from and the gal noticing his whitening out of his RSO led them to realizing the police and insurance reports, which led them to his relatives home in the near vicinity.
That's when it all came together.
jmo
 
Wondergirl... you are such a smartie!!!!!!!!

Awww...shucks...I can`t take full credit on that tip, not by a long shot! :blushing:

I was jumping off hsmom2`s thought on Ali`s thread, and just wanted to tie it all together and post it here and reiterate it, hoping that Garryb would see it, and perhaps pass it along, in hopes of jogging her memory.

I can be a persistent pest sometimes, if I think something might help.

:websleuther:
 
I guess we may never know the entire truth of what happened to my sweet friend. He could not even keep his story straight because he told his family he was attached on Bourbon street and the police it was at a gas station. I keep wondering about the pepper spray. BW told us before a search that she had it in her hand if my memory is correct. When did she use it on him?

He hit her bike with his truck and bent the back wheel. She flew off her bike. So he gets out of his truck and then what? How did he get her in the truck?

I can not connect the dots. I think she maced him right away and she got his knife then and stabbed him. He got it back cutting his hand and stabbed her. He picked her up and put her in the passenger seat and put the bike in the back and drove off before someone saw or heard.

I think the gun shot to the head was not because she got the knife again but as a "screw you" move showing his rage for her injuring him. That could have been done at the cane field and then he went home to tend his wounds and regroup.

I guess if there is info that was released already about the location of his wounds and where he drove after St Landry, I would have more piece of mind on how she got in the truck. I can not see her accepting a ride from someone that hit her with a truck. I do not see him letting her get in his truck still holding the pepper spray and having her bag with a cell phone in it.

Thanks for letting me express my thoughts.

I understand the reluctance to trust BSL's version.

I'm going to say that I believe most of it though.

Regarding the gunshot, if she stabbed him right away on St. Landry, and then he stabbed her, then I don't know why, if she was already dead, or so he thought, he would drive out into to the cane field to shoot her in revenge, then leave with her body. He went to the cane field with some purpose in mind. But then he didn't leave her there. If he would be worried about a bullet being traced to his gun, he wouldn't have wasted time going there if he shot her during the initial bump and grab - he would have headed home to tend his wounds and regroup, with her still in the truck. And I don't think he shot her on St. Landry during the initial altercation. There are enough houses close enough, including frat row, and you know some Greeks were still awake at 2 a.m on Saturday morning, that someone would probably have heard a gunshot.

I think precipitating point was Mickey calling for help. BSL said he threatened her with a knife. I see no reason to disbelieve him, because it doesn't help him to lie about this particular thing. I would then think that she Maced him very soon after that. If she called 911 on the street, then she maced him and grabbed the knife and stabbed him right there on St. Landry, then he stabbed her and threw her in the truck. If he was stabbing her outside the truck, though, I do think she would have screamed, and there would have been blood evidence on the asphalt. Someone possibly would have heard her from one of the houses, as they are not as far away as it seems. Instead, I feel she tried to call for help once he headed north out of the area, instead of taking her to the hospital or taking her home. She may have even given him her home address and thought he was taking her there.

Yes, her mom said she wouldn't have gotten in the truck. but that's not 100%, IMO. He likely tried to act like he bumped her on accident... then once it was seen that the bike wouldn't roll, the logical question is, "where are you headed?" She says, "home." He says "where," She says near Congress and Ambassador. He says he'll take her home. It's late - she feels sick - she doesn't want to wait on the street all alone waiting for friend or family to come get here - and he acts very charming - and does get her in the truck without a fight. It's when she realizes that he's not taking her home that it hits the fan.

Given BSL's multiple wounds, I said it awhile back, and will repeat, that the varied locations tell me that they were in close quarters, where he didn't have the maneuvering space to avoid her attacks. This really does sound like inside the truck. She would have had several slashes at him as he squirmed behind the wheel to avoid the blade while being Maced and trying not to crash.

At that point, IMO, rape is no longer on the table. He hurt bad - there's blood in his truck, his plan's blown, she's badly or mortally wounded, and so now it's no longer about sex; he's in a life-or-death MESS. I'm not going to opine that sex was on his mind anymore, from a badly stabbed victim.

When he went to check for a pulse, he may have had his own pulse pounding so bad, he couldn't feel hers - especially if he used his thumb, which has its own pulse. Plus, if she had blood loss, and certainly was in shock, her pulse could have been very weak and thready. AND - if she kept her wits about her - she meditated and went to her happy place and started thinking really hard and slowed her breathing down to almost nothing. If she had spiritual reserves and an iron will, I can see her playing possum and fooling him, in his pain, rage and panic.

So he gets into the cane field - she's still alive, though injured - how bad is anyone's guess - and when he hears him get out of the truck to come around to her door, she opens her eyes, the knife is on the seat, and she makes her last, valiant stand. He opens the door and she "jumps up" off the seat (I think this wording is key). She stabs him - he staggers back totally freaked out because he thought she was dead - he nearly craps his pants from the horror-movie shock -- she comes at him again - he stumbles back - no knife in his own hand - and reaches into his shoulder holster or the small of his back for his gun and fires because she's about to stab him again.

Due to the sound of the gunshot, now he's afraid someone will have heard and maybe a cop will swing by and investigate - so now he can't leave the body because they will be hot on his heels if they find it.....

So he throws her back in the truck and hauls butt out of there - thinks of where he can go now.... and thinks of Pinseclair cemetery... goes straight there.

Anyway, I'm tired and my mind is mud.

But myself, I believe Brandon told it pretty straight, for one reason especially: I think the cops put the fear of God into him that if he lied about one thing in the confession, they were going to make sure he got the needle.

This all leads me one place:

Mickey fought, and fought, and fought, and never gave up, put a whupping on him, and at the end surprised him so badly that he will never be able to erase the image from his mind.

This is where Mrs. Shunick and I concur: That last image of a seemingly dead Mickey springing up and stabbing him will turn his guts to water for the rest of his life.
 
I understand the reluctance to trust BSL's version.

I'm going to say that I believe most of it though.

Regarding the gunshot, if she stabbed him right away on St. Landry, and then he stabbed her, then I don't know why, if she was already dead, or so he thought, he would drive out into to the cane field to shoot her in revenge, then leave with her body. He went to the cane field with some purpose in mind. But then he didn't leave her there. If he would be worried about a bullet being traced to his gun, he wouldn't have wasted time going there if he shot her during the initial bump and grab - he would have headed home to tend his wounds and regroup, with her still in the truck. And I don't think he shot her on St. Landry during the initial altercation. There are enough houses close enough, including frat row, and you know some Greeks were still awake at 2 a.m on Saturday morning, that someone would probably have heard a gunshot.

I think precipitating point was Mickey calling for help. BSL said he threatened her with a knife. I see no reason to disbelieve him, because it doesn't help him to lie about this particular thing. I would then think that she Maced him very soon after that. If she called 911 on the street, then she maced him and grabbed the knife and stabbed him right there on St. Landry, then he stabbed her and threw her in the truck. If he was stabbing her outside the truck, though, I do think she would have screamed, and there would have been blood evidence on the asphalt. Someone possibly would have heard her from one of the houses, as they are not as far away as it seems. Instead, I feel she tried to call for help once he headed north out of the area, instead of taking her to the hospital or taking her home. She may have even given him her home address and thought he was taking her there.

Yes, her mom said she wouldn't have gotten in the truck. but that's not 100%, IMO. He likely tried to act like he bumped her on accident... then once it was seen that the bike wouldn't roll, the logical question is, "where are you headed?" She says, "home." He says "where," She says near Congress and Ambassador. He says he'll take her home. It's late - she feels sick - she doesn't want to wait on the street all alone waiting for friend or family to come get here - and he acts very charming - and does get her in the truck without a fight. It's when she realizes that he's not taking her home that it hits the fan.

Given BSL's multiple wounds, I said it awhile back, and will repeat, that the varied locations tell me that they were in close quarters, where he didn't have the maneuvering space to avoid her attacks. This really does sound like inside the truck. She would have had several slashes at him as he squirmed behind the wheel to avoid the blade while being Maced and trying not to crash.

At that point, IMO, rape is no longer on the table. He hurt bad - there's blood in his truck, his plan's blown, she's badly or mortally wounded, and so now it's no longer about sex; he's in a life-or-death MESS. I'm not going to opine that sex was on his mind anymore, from a badly stabbed victim.

When he went to check for a pulse, he may have had his own pulse pounding so bad, he couldn't feel hers - especially if he used his thumb, which has its own pulse. Plus, if she had blood loss, and certainly was in shock, her pulse could have been very weak and thready. AND - if she kept her wits about her - she meditated and went to her happy place and started thinking really hard and slowed her breathing down to almost nothing. If she had spiritual reserves and an iron will, aI can see her playing possum and fooling him, in his pain, rage and panic.

So he gets into the cane field - she's still alive, though injured - how bad is anyone's guess - and when he hears him get out of the truck to come around to her door, she opens her eyes, the knife is on the seat, and she makes her last, valiant stand. He opens the door and she "jumps up" off the seat (I think this wording is key). She stabs him - he staggers back totally freaked out because he thought she was dead - he nearly craps his pants from the horror-movie shock -- she comes at him again - he stumbles back - no knife in his own hand - and reaches into his shoulder holster or the small of his back for his gun and fires because she's about to stab him again.

Due to the sound of the gunshot, now he's afraid someone will have heard and maybe a cop will swing by and investigate - so now he can't leave the body because they will be hot on his heels if they find it.....

So he throws her back in the truck and hauls butt out of there - thinks of where he can go now.... and thinks of Pinseclair cemetery... goes straight there.

Anyway, I'm tired and my mind is mud.

But myself, I believe Brandon. I think the cops put the fear of God into him that if he lied about one thing in the confession, they were going to make sure he got the needle.

this all leads me one place:

Mickey fought, and fought, and fought, and never gave up, put a whupping on him, and at the end surprised him so badly that he will never be able to erase the image from his mind.

This is where Mrs. Shunick and I concur: That last image of a seemingly dead Mkickey spring up and stabbing him will turn his guts to water for the rest of his life.

This explains a lot of the questioning we have been asking her IMO. Like the reasoning for not dumping her in the cane field anyway, etc. Great break down of events. I also think the stabbing had to have happened in truck because for him to be stabbed that many times it had to have been close quarters and no blood, etc was found on the street. I just would like to know how he got her in the truck. I know I would never get in the truck with a stranger no matter how hurt, sick, afraid I was of being on the street, etc. And I think Mickey was the same. Maybe her mace gave her a false sense of security though I dont know. I think her parents would know though. I think he forced her with the knife. How'd she get that knife though? And I dont know if she knew about the gun. Would she have fought as hard with knowledge of a gun present? I just don't know.
 
Adam called police the end of May alerting them to BSL. He also stated that he was jumping up and down to get their attention, noting he had a temporary tag and new tires on his truck.

The lady at Don's Wholesale was in touch with them early on too. He came in and she noted the license altercation. Then he came in June 4th and purchased the truck. The story goes from a poster on here that she alerted police when he came in the first time with the altered license and injuries to his hands. And, when he came back to purchase the truck.


So why did Chief Craft state that the tip came in June 14th?

Adam called le the end of May? I didn't even know BSL was on the radar until June 14th. I must have picked the wrong page to skip... Does anyone remember approx. when this was discussed, or point me in the right direction? Thanks!
 
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I think precipitating point was Mickey calling for help. BSL said he threatened her with a knife. I see no reason to disbelieve him, because it doesn't help him to lie about this particular thing. I would then think that she Maced him very soon after that. If she called 911 on the street, then she maced him and grabbed the knife and stabbed him right there on St. Landry, then he stabbed her and threw her in the truck. If he was stabbing her outside the truck, though, I do think she would have screamed, and there would have been blood evidence on the asphalt. Someone possibly would have heard her from one of the houses, as they are not as far away as it seems. Instead, I feel she tried to call for help once he headed north out of the area, instead of taking her to the hospital or taking her home. She may have even given him her home address and thought he was taking her there.

Yes, her mom said she wouldn't have gotten in the truck. but that's not 100%, IMO. He likely tried to act like he bumped her on accident... then once it was seen that the bike wouldn't roll, the logical question is, "where are you headed?" She says, "home." He says "where," She says near Congress and Ambassador. He says he'll take her home. It's late - she feels sick - she doesn't want to wait on the street all alone waiting for friend or family to come get here - and he acts very charming - and does get her in the truck without a fight. It's when she realizes that he's not taking her home that it hits the fan.

Given BSL's multiple wounds, I said it awhile back, and will repeat, that the varied locations tell me that they were in close quarters, where he didn't have the maneuvering space to avoid her attacks. This really does sound like inside the truck. She would have had several slashes at him as he squirmed behind the wheel to avoid the blade while being Maced and trying not to crash.

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respectfully snipped for focus and bbm:

Chicken, as a local, tell me, please: If things happened as you suggest above, is The Advertiser camera at a place along a route he'd likely take, after Mickey was in the truck? I have wondered if what they found on that footage was maybe some erratic move from the truck -- a sudden stop in the street, a big swerve, etc. -- that might have been evidence that a struggle was taking place within.
 
I understand the reluctance to trust BSL's version.

I'm going to say that I believe most of it though.

Regarding the gunshot, if she stabbed him right away on St. Landry, and then he stabbed her, then I don't know why, if she was already dead, or so he thought, he would drive out into to the cane field to shoot her in revenge, then leave with her body. He went to the cane field with some purpose in mind. But then he didn't leave her there. If he would be worried about a bullet being traced to his gun, he wouldn't have wasted time going there if he shot her during the initial bump and grab - he would have headed home to tend his wounds and regroup, with her still in the truck. And I don't think he shot her on St. Landry during the initial altercation. There are enough houses close enough, including frat row, and you know some Greeks were still awake at 2 a.m on Saturday morning, that someone would probably have heard a gunshot.

I think precipitating point was Mickey calling for help. BSL said he threatened her with a knife. I see no reason to disbelieve him, because it doesn't help him to lie about this particular thing. I would then think that she Maced him very soon after that. If she called 911 on the street, then she maced him and grabbed the knife and stabbed him right there on St. Landry, then he stabbed her and threw her in the truck. If he was stabbing her outside the truck, though, I do think she would have screamed, and there would have been blood evidence on the asphalt. Someone possibly would have heard her from one of the houses, as they are not as far away as it seems. Instead, I feel she tried to call for help once he headed north out of the area, instead of taking her to the hospital or taking her home. She may have even given him her home address and thought he was taking her there.

Yes, her mom said she wouldn't have gotten in the truck. but that's not 100%, IMO. He likely tried to act like he bumped her on accident... then once it was seen that the bike wouldn't roll, the logical question is, "where are you headed?" She says, "home." He says "where," She says near Congress and Ambassador. He says he'll take her home. It's late - she feels sick - she doesn't want to wait on the street all alone waiting for friend or family to come get here - and he acts very charming - and does get her in the truck without a fight. It's when she realizes that he's not taking her home that it hits the fan.

Given BSL's multiple wounds, I said it awhile back, and will repeat, that the varied locations tell me that they were in close quarters, where he didn't have the maneuvering space to avoid her attacks. This really does sound like inside the truck. She would have had several slashes at him as he squirmed behind the wheel to avoid the blade while being Maced and trying not to crash.

At that point, IMO, rape is no longer on the table. He hurt bad - there's blood in his truck, his plan's blown, she's badly or mortally wounded, and so now it's no longer about sex; he's in a life-or-death MESS. I'm not going to opine that sex was on his mind anymore, from a badly stabbed victim.

When he went to check for a pulse, he may have had his own pulse pounding so bad, he couldn't feel hers - especially if he used his thumb, which has its own pulse. Plus, if she had blood loss, and certainly was in shock, her pulse could have been very weak and thready. AND - if she kept her wits about her - she meditated and went to her happy place and started thinking really hard and slowed her breathing down to almost nothing. If she had spiritual reserves and an iron will, I can see her playing possum and fooling him, in his pain, rage and panic.

So he gets into the cane field - she's still alive, though injured - how bad is anyone's guess - and when he hears him get out of the truck to come around to her door, she opens her eyes, the knife is on the seat, and she makes her last, valiant stand. He opens the door and she "jumps up" off the seat (I think this wording is key). She stabs him - he staggers back totally freaked out because he thought she was dead - he nearly craps his pants from the horror-movie shock -- she comes at him again - he stumbles back - no knife in his own hand - and reaches into his shoulder holster or the small of his back for his gun and fires because she's about to stab him again.

Due to the sound of the gunshot, now he's afraid someone will have heard and maybe a cop will swing by and investigate - so now he can't leave the body because they will be hot on his heels if they find it.....

So he throws her back in the truck and hauls butt out of there - thinks of where he can go now.... and thinks of Pinseclair cemetery... goes straight there.

Anyway, I'm tired and my mind is mud.

But myself, I believe Brandon told it pretty straight, for one reason especially: I think the cops put the fear of God into him that if he lied about one thing in the confession, they were going to make sure he got the needle.

This all leads me one place:

Mickey fought, and fought, and fought, and never gave up, put a whupping on him, and at the end surprised him so badly that he will never be able to erase the image from his mind.

This is where Mrs. Shunick and I concur: That last image of a seemingly dead Mickey springing up and stabbing him will turn his guts to water for the rest of his life.

If she stabbed him in the beginning and he shot her, then the rest of his "confession" is bs which is what I believe. Why would a pathological liar suddenly begin to tell the truth? He said what he said to avoid the death penalty. He had his story in his head and refined it any number of times. His version of Mickey jumping up 40 minutes after having been stabbed sounds like a movie scene. Seriously, you're stabbed and look for all the world like you're unconscious to the point where the perpetrator could not feel your pulse. Then all of a sudden at the last moment you jump up in one last effort to save yourself because you know this is it? After this, the guy drives back to his house with a woman he shot in the head in his truck? That had to have been very messy. The shot would have been almost point blank. Mickey's head would have exploded. No way this happened the way he said it did.
The more I've thought about it, the more I think BSL's version is crap from beginning to end. I think he knocked her from the bike, he raped her, and he killed her when she fought him.
 
Updated my about me section on my profile ...I'm getting pretty comfortable on this site...I barely spend time on facebook anymore since I joined websleuths.

My husband thinks I need Websleuths Anonymous!
 
Adam called le the end of May? I didn't even know BSL was on the radar until June 14th. I must have picked the wrong page to skip... Does anyone remember approx. when this was discussed, or point me in the right direction? Thanks!

He asked for advice because his SIL was dating a tier 3 RSO on May 26th. The family had confronted the SIL on the 25th. In this post he had not yet realized that BSL's truck was the truck.

ETA, IIRC, it was the beginning of June when he contacted LE because that was when he saw the temporary tag in the window of the new truck. Remember, BSL bought the new truck around June 4th.
 
THIS IS ONLY A THEORY!!!

I was thinking about this last night... We know BSL was on the phone with escort services before seeing Mickey. And we also know that he switched lanes on University, apparently after seeing her cross over. I can only assume he had "one thing" on his mind. What if he pulled along side of her and tried to "pick her up" and she denied the offer or just ignored him and kept peddling? So then he gets pissed off that she didn't want to go with him and he proceeds to ram her bike from behind out of anger knowing that was the only way to get her. Then he gets her in the truck and by this time she knows she is in danger, hence her trying to call for help. So that makes him even more mad and the fight/struggle between the two erupts... JMO
That was exactly what I first thought after they arrested him too! That maybe he tried talking to her and she ignored him,so he's goes on and really gets her attention and hits her off of her bike... Is what thought about.
 
if she stabbed him in the beginning and he shot her, then the rest of his "confession" is bs which is what i believe. Why would a pathological liar suddenly begin to tell the truth? He said what he said to avoid the death penalty. He had his story in his head and refined it any number of times. His version of mickey jumping up 40 minutes after having been stabbed sounds like a movie scene. Seriously, you're stabbed and look for all the world like you're unconscious to the point where the perpetrator could not feel your pulse. Then all of a sudden at the last moment you jump up in one last effort to save yourself because you know this is it? After this, the guy drives back to his house with a woman he shot in the head in his truck? That had to have been very messy. The shot would have been almost point blank. Mickey's head would have exploded. No way this happened the way he said it did.
The more i've thought about it, the more i think bsl's version is crap from beginning to end. I think he knocked her from the bike, he raped her, and he killed her when she fought him.
i am sorry to bring this up cf because you believe / want to believe mickey died without being raped. I was believing the same originally. It is curious that in both of his testimonies re: Ms & lp, he did not describe raping either one of them. However, this was on his sick mind when he abducted ms. In his sick sexual mind, he cannot admit to raping anyone, altho this is his utmost intention. + he is a liar, thru and thru. So now i am doubting his testimony because he lives in denial of his sexual encounters but admits to the murders which is supposed to make everything he says ring true. If she stabbed him in the back, it was while he was on top of her, it would seem. Sickening to think of it tho.
 
i am sorry to bring this up cf because you believe / want to believe mickey died without being raped. I was believing the same originally. It is curious that in both of his testimonies re: Ms & lp, he did not describe raping either one of them. However, this was on his sick mind when he abducted ms. In his sick sexual mind, he cannot admit to raping anyone, altho this is his utmost intention. + he is a liar, thru and thru. So now i am doubting his testimony because he lives in denial of his sexual encounters but admits to the murders which is supposed to make everything he says ring true. If she stabbed him in the back, it was while he was on top of her, it would seem. Sickening to think of it tho.

If there was semen on her body would forensics be able to determine that now? If they could and did find it would le be likely to say the plea does not stand?
 
Awww...shucks...I can`t take full credit on that tip, not by a long shot! :blushing:

I was jumping off hsmom2`s thought on Ali`s thread, and just wanted to tie it all together and post it here and reiterate it, hoping that Garryb would see it, and perhaps pass it along, in hopes of jogging her memory.

I can be a persistent pest sometimes, if I think something might help.

:websleuther:

Kudos to you Wondergirl! :rocker:

I was just curious as to what was going on in the world at that time. So I googled, lol.

But you, you followed through and asked the question.

I pray that the same self-preserving fear that brought Mickey home, might make a difference for Ali.

:yourock:
 
I'll be interested to see the progress of this: ADA Stutes was quoted in this morning's TDA as saying "evidence found in (BSL's) house may lead to other investigations".

Surely it has to do with the reported multiple IDs found there, but what else? Photos? Clothing? Video evidence?
 
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