People here are super sleuthers lol.Some have even helped cases like the Dee Dee Moore case, the woman who was convicted of murdering Florida lottery winner Abraham Shakespeare,She even posted here. I have said if I ever go missing to please come here as soon as possible so I might have a chance of being found. I wish I was like a lot of the terrific sleuths we have on this site.
If he was autistic, he was very highly functioning.
I am not sure what would be the reason to have him in inpatient care (before his parents knew he was homicidal and suicidal)?
It would seem obvious that this person had issues early on and they progressed at an alarming rate and intensity. It is also apparent that numerous people were aware of his perceptions or delusions.
Almost any of the reported, obvious and apparent problems are enough to have him "helped" or removed from society.
The only issue with that, is that the very ones that created this problem of no exit loop(civil libertarians, shrinks, and politicians) are the ones that can't seem to see a way to solve it.
ER is a classic example of over reliance on anti psychotic drugs and depending on society to just live with it rather than provide a more permanent solution.
Our mental health care system is a joke -- even mass murderer Elliot Rodger slipped through the cracks
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014...oke-even-mass-murderer-elliot-rodger-slipped/
During Sheriff Brown’s second press conference about Friday’s mass killing, he clearly implied that the purpose of a “wellness check” is to see whether someone is physically OK and has come to no harm.
That is untrue, and the sheriff had to know it. The truth is that a wellness check is performed when a mental health professional’s concern about a patient rises to such a fever pitch that he or she decides it is imperative to send police, on an emergency basis, to determine if that person should be evaluated by a psychiatrist right away – involuntarily, if need be.
Also from your link:
BBM
"Sheriff Brown never stated that his officers directly called the family members who had been panicked enough to alert Rodgers therapist to his YouTube postings.
"To me, that suggests they never did any of those things.
"Sheriff Brown never stated that his officers directly contacted Rodgers therapist, who might have told them that Rodger had refused to take antipsychotic medications, though his clinician(s) believed they were indicated.
"Sheriff Brown never stated that his officers looked at the concerning videos themselves (if they had been told about them, which is not yet confirmed).
I doubt they did this."
Although this is an opinion piece by Keith Ablow, a commentator for Fox News, he does raise serious questions most of us have; at least I do.
Did both the therapist and ER's parents call the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Office only after seeing or becoming aware of the videos? Most importantly, did they tell the cops about the videos? What exactly did the therapist and/ or the parents tell the cops?
In earlier reports the cops said they knew nothing about the videos. What did they think they were checking for, and why did the cops think they were there? Just to observe ER for a few minutes? How long were they there?
"Police interviewed Elliot Rodger and found him to be a 'perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human,' family attorney Alan Shifman said."
http://www.bakersfieldcalifornian.c...anta-Barbara-kills-7-wounds-at-least-7-others
Shifman is the family lawyer, so he is doing his spin. Where did he get "perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human being" from?
What did the cops really say, right after the so-called wellness check, to the parents and therapist? "Kind and wonderful human being" is not cop-speak or lawyer-speak (normally). Does anyone know where this came from or was it just Shifman's "interpretation"?
I'm really struggling to understand how this tragedy happened with apparently so many warnings, posted publicly, that at least family and therapist, if not friends, were aware of.
Also from your link:
BBM
"Sheriff Brown never stated that his officers directly called the family members who had been panicked enough to alert Rodgers therapist to his YouTube postings.
"To me, that suggests they never did any of those things.
"Sheriff Brown never stated that his officers directly contacted Rodgers therapist, who might have told them that Rodger had refused to take antipsychotic medications, though his clinician(s) believed they were indicated.
"Sheriff Brown never stated that his officers looked at the concerning videos themselves (if they had been told about them, which is not yet confirmed).
I doubt they did this."
Although this is an opinion piece by Keith Ablow, a commentator for Fox News, he does raise serious questions most of us have; at least I do.
Did both the therapist and ER's parents call the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Office only after seeing or becoming aware of the videos? Most importantly, did they tell the cops about the videos? What exactly did the therapist and/ or the parents tell the cops?
In earlier reports the cops said they knew nothing about the videos. What did they think they were checking for, and why did the cops think they were there? Just to observe ER for a few minutes? How long were they there?
"Police interviewed Elliot Rodger and found him to be a 'perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human,' family attorney Alan Shifman said."
http://www.bakersfieldcalifornian.c...anta-Barbara-kills-7-wounds-at-least-7-others
Shifman is the family lawyer, so he is doing his spin. Where did he get "perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human being" from?
What did the cops really say, right after the so-called wellness check, to the parents and therapist? "Kind and wonderful human being" is not cop-speak or lawyer-speak (normally). Does anyone know where this came from or was it just Shifman's "interpretation"?
I'm really struggling to understand how this tragedy happened with apparently so many warnings, posted publicly, that at least family and therapist, if not friends, were aware of.
Sadly, maybe it's simple............maybe no one took him seriously until it was too late.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...eeds-autistic-mother-claimed-court-documents/
Elliots father questioned the autism diagnosis and stated in his own sworn declaration, Though Li Chin Rodger claims in her court documents that Elliot is a high functioning autistic child, I was not involved in any prior evaluation of Elliot. Li Chin did not inform me about any evaluation of Elliot. This disturbed me greatly. I am now in the process of having Elliot evaluated by a child psychiatrist. Li Chin Rodger has agreed to be a part of the process.
Has anyone gotten a sense of how recent ER was playing the loud music in the middle of the night and disturbing his roommates? TIA
ETA: I just saw this:
That guy was always playing music very loud in the middle of the night, [SF] told KNTV-TV on Monday. They complained to the manager of the apartment and they were planning to move out.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...d-young-student-from-ottawa-aspiring-painter/
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Sounds like the loud music was an ongoing problem.
The further I read into this drivel, the vague feeling of being fooled is becoming less vague. Something is telling me that this whole manifesto was part of his "ultimate retribution". Like a joke he's playing on the world. He wasn't stupid. He knew we would be pouring over it after his death. I feel like we've been had.
I'm not clear on exactly what I don't believe, but I think the whole thing is based on a lie. A scam. He's still manipulating people.
Whatever he's selling, I suddenly don't feel like buying.
Group homes for mentally ill persons do not allow independent freedom of the residents. This from a home health RN.
The apartment complex could not provide services, they would have to be licensed by Cal-DSS, regulated and subjected to yearly audits.
However the ILI may have a list of sympathetic apartment complexes who accept referrals from their program and accept a renter with the knowledge that they have the assistance of this program to help keep the client on top of paying bills, buying groceries, navigating transportation, etc.
It's not a foregone conclusion but it's possible. And most likely entirely irrelevant to the crimes he committed. Just another support system and entitlement he received but ultimately didn't use to improve himself.
ER's dad's attorney made the comment that the son lived in a community that provides care and support to disabled persons, aka group home for mentally ill with around the clock support/care staff. This was not correct information. ER lived in an apartment complex that catered to college students. IMO, the attorney was setting up damage control or was showing the sympathy card.
The further I read into this drivel, the vague feeling of being fooled is becoming less vague. Something is telling me that this whole manifesto was part of his "ultimate retribution". Like a joke he's playing on the world. He wasn't stupid. He knew we would be pouring over it after his death. I feel like we've been had.
I'm not clear on exactly what I don't believe, but I think the whole thing is based on a lie. A scam. He's still manipulating people.
Whatever he's selling, I suddenly don't feel like buying.
After reading the court documents in the link you provided, I have to ask an obvious question.
What did PR think was wrong with his son and why would he be "disturbed greatly"? Does this mean that prior to CR's having ER diagnosed, he had never been evaluated, treated, or diagnosed with anything?
PR thought nothing was wrong? This stinks of avoiding responsibility (then) and wanting to pay less child support. IMO
Does anyone know when PR got remarried?
My father having a girlfriend so shortly after divorcing my mother didnt even occur to me. I couldnt understand it. Soon enough, though, I realized that Soumaya was, in fact, his girlfriend, and they were together just like how my father and mother were together. It was the first time I learned the concept of a girlfriend, and it was hard to grasp. Before that, I always thought a man and a woman had to be married before living together in such a manner, and that it would take a long time for such a union to happen. Father finding a new girlfriend in such a short amount of time baffled me. I was completely taken aback.
["The Manifesto of Elliot Rodger," p. 11]
After reading the court documents in the link you provided, I have to ask an obvious question.
What did PR think was wrong with his son and why would he be "disturbed greatly"? Does this mean that prior to CR's having ER diagnosed, he had never been evaluated, treated, or diagnosed with anything?
removed from society. Sounds like China, Russia, Iran, Iraq etc etc