CO - Tim Watkins, 61, shot to death, Mount Herman, 14 Sept 2017 #2

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Daey34 said:
I know that it happens. It’s just my opinion that that area would be really hard to grow plants on. I don’t know how you’d hide it on MTH. There are just so many hikers and cyclists.

I stand by the “anything is possible,” attitude, but I don’t see someone without an actual shelter being able to hide plants where DN was camping. MOO.

I feel like it’s highly unlikely
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The most important thing is a water source. If there isn't one then I would agree with you. Also how does one tell whether a grow is legal or illegal?
 
I don’t know how one would get water out there. It seems so implausible. But then I think about it, and what do I know? When you have no income, you figure things out.

Shiressleuth said:
The most important thing is a water source. If there isn't one then I would agree with you.
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Shiressleuth said:
The most important thing is a water source. If there isn't one then I would agree with you. Also how does one tell whether a grow is legal or illegal?
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IT must be grown in your home locked up and not visible to others. there is a limit of 6 plants per person.
 
MOO: DN wasn't organized enough to update the license plates on his wife's vehicle before leaving the state of Indiana, despite knowing that would trigger a traffic stop by any LE who noticed. There's no way he was running an illegal grow operation on federal land. I doubt he could keep a single spider plant alive. JMO.
 
Shiressleuth said:
The most important thing is a water source. If there isn't one then I would agree with you. Also how does one tell whether a grow is legal or illegal?
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Rampart Range Rd has always been an outlaw type of area. Not a place for family camping.
https://www.denverpost.com/2005/08/27/teens-go-wild-amid-pike-trees/

FWIW
https://www.csindy.com/coloradospri...nown-for-illegal-activity/Content?oid=7441765

Large illegal grows are busted almost daily now on the front range. There were 2 yesterday on the east side of the county and a couple more just days earlier.

Mid-Sept. is right around harvest time for outdoor grows here. Grows don't even necessarily have to be close to the trail but growers might use it to come in and out. There have been several large cartel grows busted in the Monument/Palmer Lake area over the past few years. Personally I think anything near Mt Herman would be too close to high traffic areas, but you never know. There are a lot of new people in Colorado for just that reason, and someone unfamiliar with the area might have set something up to be close to the streams and springs that feed into the lake.

Homeless camps in PNF have been an issue for a number of years.
http://www.fox21news.com/news/homel...o-national-forests_2017101711024016/837519569
http://coloradocommunitymedia.com/stories/Homeless-living-on-public-land,64086

There was a 20 Acre? grow found in the Waldo Canyon burn area after the fire. It was quickly swept under the rug. IMO because pot is a cash cow for Colorado politicians.
https://coloradopolitics.com/colora...lorado-politicians-ignore-major-pot-problems/
http://gazette.com/5-acres-of-marijuana-found-in-pike-national-forest/article/1582517
http://gazette.com/huge-illegal-mar...ational-forest/multimedia/video/5080267411001
 
Shiressleuth said:
On the last thread we were saying that being buried under leaves and twigs does not seem that unusual. That being said I am of the opinion it may not be one of the similarities.

That leaves the facts that it was on a trail and TW was shot to death. Do posters think the shooting is the only similarity or what other significant similarities can there be?
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BBM - Colorado LE received tips regarding the resemblance of DN's Mugshot to Sketch of Delphi's BG.

DN is a Registered Sex Offender who has failed to Register w/Colorado and has failed to check in with Indiana.

At the time of both the Colorado and Indiana murders, DN was living in striking distance of both crime scenes.
MOO
 
Ember123 said:
Man, Shire, you are always on top of things! I applaud your internet search capabilities and appreciate all that you contribute here on WS.
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Shiressleuth said:
On the last thread we were saying that being buried under leaves and twigs does not seem that unusual. That being said I am of the opinion it may not be one of the similarities.

That leaves the facts that it was on a trail and TW was shot to death. Do posters think the shooting is the only similarity or what other significant similarities can there be?
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I think the similarities are what LE is keeping hush hush about. I think hatchet wounds and/ or particular markings or wounds to bodies. MOO!
 
Ember123 said:
Man, Shire, you are always on top of things! I applaud your internet search capabilities and appreciate all that you contribute here on WS.
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You're too kind. TY for the appreciation. I just wondered why they're interested in a ten-a-penny extradition don't you?
 
emptybottles said:
Rampart Range Rd has always been an outlaw type of area. Not a place for family camping.
https://www.denverpost.com/2005/08/27/teens-go-wild-amid-pike-trees/

FWIW
https://www.csindy.com/coloradospri...nown-for-illegal-activity/Content?oid=7441765

Large illegal grows are busted almost daily now on the front range. There were 2 yesterday on the east side of the county and a couple more just days earlier.

Mid-Sept. is right around harvest time for outdoor grows here. Grows don't even necessarily have to be close to the trail but growers might use it to come in and out. There have been several large cartel grows busted in the Monument/Palmer Lake area over the past few years. Personally I think anything near Mt Herman would be too close to high traffic areas, but you never know. There are a lot of new people in Colorado for just that reason, and someone unfamiliar with the area might have set something up to be close to the streams and springs that feed into the lake.

Homeless camps in PNF have been an issue for a number of years.
http://www.fox21news.com/news/homel...o-national-forests_2017101711024016/837519569
http://coloradocommunitymedia.com/stories/Homeless-living-on-public-land,64086

There was a 20 Acre? grow found in the Waldo Canyon burn area after the fire. It was quickly swept under the rug. IMO because pot is a cash cow for Colorado politicians.
https://coloradopolitics.com/colora...lorado-politicians-ignore-major-pot-problems/
http://gazette.com/5-acres-of-marijuana-found-in-pike-national-forest/article/1582517
http://gazette.com/huge-illegal-mar...ational-forest/multimedia/video/5080267411001
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Re. Your second link - the csindy.com link .

Another coincidence - Mike Rust (the rider and the wolf) and Tim Watkins both having worked for Crandall and been murdered.
 
Shiressleuth said:
Another coincidence - Mike Rust (the rider and the wolf) and Tim Watkins both having worked for Crandall and been murdered.
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Oh yes! It gave me a chill because, if I read it correctly, both Rust and TW were murdered during their employment with this man!

TV detectives would consider that connection "the missing piece" of the puzzle and show up at his door. :)
 
Ember123 said:
I think the similarities are what LE is keeping hush hush about. I think hatchet wounds and/ or particular markings or wounds to bodies. MOO!
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Every time similarities are brought up I relive reading Daey' s post of calling the tip line. D you should repost that.
 
foxbluff said:
Oh yes! It gave me a chill because, if I read it correctly, both Rust and TW were murdered during their employment with this man!

TV detectives would consider that connection "the missing piece" of the puzzle and show up at his door. :)
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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?82572-CO-Michael-Rust-56-Saguache-County-31-March-2009/page2/

Mike Rust has a thread on here. It's very short only two pages but what a strange case. I'll post a link.
 
ElementalLaura said:
MOO: DN wasn't organized enough to update the license plates on his wife's vehicle before leaving the state of Indiana, despite knowing that would trigger a traffic stop by any LE who noticed. There's no way he was running an illegal grow operation on federal land. I doubt he could keep a single spider plant alive. JMO.
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He may not have been too successful but he may have been trying. And I'm not talking about more than 20 plants. Small enough he could tote a bucket of water and keep it hidden. I think it would have really appealed to him. He also could have been recruited to keep people away from getting too close to a larger operation. He may carry himself at times as a former Marine who people could think of as capable.
 
ocgrad said:
He may not have been too successful but he may have been trying. And I'm not talking about more than 20 plants. Small enough he could tote a bucket of water and keep it hidden. I think it would have really appealed to him. He also could have been recruited to keep people away from getting too close to a larger operation. He may carry himself at times as a former Marine who people could think of as capable.
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That's what I thought possibly too or just watering them daily for the owner.
 
ocgrad said:
Every time similarities are brought up I relive reading Daey' s post of calling the tip line. D you should repost that.
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Oh yes...I too was thinking of Daey's post about calling the tipline and how interest picked up after Daey mentioned the hatchet.

I would love to read that post again, but how to find it !?!
 
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