DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #4

[CARIIS]

"Originally Posted by sleuthinginca I have a card on file with my sdb....listing the people allowed to access it. You must show id and at that time... be escorted to the sdb room."
Someone asked - how do we know "other employee" did not access sd box?

SD box access is very tightly controlled. No key, no access. If sd box owner loses key,
to get contents and/or close sd box a/c, box has to be drilled by special locksmith.
(In dealing w possibly lost sd box key 5 yrs ago, I was told that a locksmith
could not be scheduled for a week or two, also ~$250 charge to me. Fortunately was able to go home & look harder. Also, locksmiths refuse to copy, so no spare. Keep track of sd box key.)

Yes, poss that AIW had BOA sd box, had $40,000+ in it,
and BOA already had docs on file auth'ing a certain AIW employee to access box
& that BOA sd box key was kept at AIW, so employee could access sd box $.
So, poss that AIW could have done that.
But info in Charging Doc contradicts that ^. Per W-1, IT/he saw bk mgr
hand $ to AIW employee, so did not get from SD box.

Also poss - Mr S had BOA personal sd box, had $40,000+ in it, & and BOA already had docs on file auth'ing a certain AIW employee to access his personal sd box,
so employee could access $. Poss that AIW could have done that.
But my stumbling block w 2nd^ scenario is the key, likely kept at S fam home,
seems - AIW employee likely w/h to go to S home to get sd box key.
JM2cts.

Now that, Alpine my dear, is one heck of a short hand post - I vote you text a LOT!! Yes? WOW - I had to go through it! I am sure it is similiar to my typing/spelling for you guys!!!!

WOW!

 

[roguelady]

Thanks, Olive. I read somewhere (I can't remember where) that a neighbor saw a landscaping crew working in the yard Wednesday morning. I wonder if Wint and his accomplices posed as a landscaping crew and that's how they gained entry into the house?

Please forgive me if I'm wrong - but I thought the yard/lawn crew was there on Thursday morning. I'm like everyone else - the time frame and texting, phone calls, etc. has my brain fried (not to mention a glass or two of wine).

 

[FerrariRose]

But in the Charging Documents, the part about going to the bank is the first version of what W1 (Driver) told the police. He later changed the story that the Other Employee gave him bundles of money from his pockets and there is no mention of the bank. Both version are in the Charging Documents, and it sounds like the first version about the bank transaction was a lie.

JMO.

The affidavit states W-1 admits he lied about what the money was contained in - not where they got the money from. The other employee said he got the money from the bank. That was easily confirmed by the bank.

W-l admitted that IT had lied when lT stated the money was in a manila envelope when IT received the money from the other employee. W-I stated what aclually happened was the other employee took four bundles of money from the employee,spockets and placed the money in a red bag which belonged to W-1.
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[escabeche]

The affluent have totally different life experiences - the head of the bank would have come in at 3 in the morning for him if he asked!

Just a different world

So true. It's amazing what doors affluence opens. Normal rules and procedures just don't apply. I'm actually a bit surprised he couldn't get more cash at short notice...

 

[Just K]

Yes, I noticed the same thing. Approximately 9:00AM. They have the phone, they would know the exact time of the message, they just didn't want to put that into affidavit.

Could've even been 8:56, 8:57, 8:58, 8:59, 9:01, 9:02, 9:03, or 9:04 AM.

 

[franker]

Now that, Alpine my dear, is one heck of a short hand post - I vote you text a LOT!! Yes? WOW - I had to go through it! I am sure it is similiar to my typing/spelling for you guys!!!!

WOW!

Are they still doing short hand? I thought that had been supplanted by the slide rule or one of those other advancements?

:dunno:

 

[FerrariRose]

Good point.

But what's the bit about the Other Employee handing bundles of money from his pockets. That's weird behavior to happen in a bank.

When $10,000 is withdrawn from a bank it is wrapped with a small money wrapper. The teller then asks if you want the money in an envelope. He probably said no. It makes sense for him to put the money in his pocket and walk outside to the parking lot and transfer the money to W-1 there.

Edit to say $10,000 is the only amount I can withdraw at one time from BofA. The employee received four bundles of $10K each.

 

[rkf]

I am suspicious of the driver with him either being in on it somehow or that he stole part of the ransom not knowing what it was for.

The only way the driver could steal $20,000 is if he knew it was ransom and he was taking his half. If it was for any other purpose, when his boss opened the manila envelope, he would immediately know half was gone and who had access.

 

[FerrariRose]

Please forgive me if I'm wrong - but I thought the yard/lawn crew was there on Thursday morning. I'm like everyone else - the time frame and texting, phone calls, etc. has my brain fried (not to mention a glass or two of wine).

Thank you for correcting me about the day.

 

[franker]

When $10,000 is withdrawn from a bank it is wrapped with a small money wrapper. The teller then asks if you want the money in an envelope. He probably said no. It makes sense for him to put the money in his pocket and walk outside to the parking lot and transfer the money to W-1 there.

We had a run on our bank (actually a Savings and Loan) way back in the early 80's and I stood in a long line and finally withdrew 20K just before the bank totally ran out of money. This bank was only state insured and it took others years to get even a portion of their money returned to them.

If I recall correctly, they just handed me two wrapped bundles of bills for 10K each.

Way before the Patriot Act and all of that stuff, of course.

 

[MyBelle]

I think the money came up short $20,000, and that was the reason for the flurry of calls. Remember W-1 text W-2 a photo of a bag containing $20K. Where was the other $20K?

I think that is exactly what happened and Wint became enraged.

JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

So....the money is dropped off in the garage and then what happens? I presume Wint went to the garage to get the money. It's still mid morning at this time and the fire doesn't start until after noon. Why that long delay between the money drop and the fire? I know it takes time to kill people, but does it take 3 hours??

 

[FerrariRose]

The only way the driver could steal $20,000 is if he knew it was ransom and he was taking his half. If it was for any other purpose, when his boss opened the manila envelope, he would immediately know half was gone and who had access.

I theorize that is why SS called his driver at 11:54 a.m. - to ask him where the rest of the money was?

If the driver knew the family was being held for ransom, he knew he had nothing to lose by stealing half of it. Maybe that is why he sent the photo of the money as proof that he only received $20K?

 

[Mygirlsadie]

I just deleted that whole post because I don't think it's him anyway. He would never set the Porsche on fire. Any chance you might delete the quote part in reply so there is no record of it?

Done!

 

[Inthedetails]

I don't think AG had anything to do with the crime. I don't think the driver did either.

The options I'm going with are, in order of preference:
Wint alone
Wint with brother
Wint with a female (no evidence for that, just an option I'm considering)

I could be totally wrong of course....that happens. But I'm not seeing AG and the driver as people who would harm SS and family or steal from them.

JMO.

 

[FerrariRose]

So....the money is dropped off in the garage and then what happens? I presume Wint went to the garage to get the money. It's still mid morning at this time and the fire doesn't start until after noon. Why that long delay between the money drop and the fire? I know it takes time to kill people, but does it take 3 hours??

According to the affidavit there was a flurry of phone calls from SS to his driver and others, with the last call going out to his driver at 11:54 a.m. My theory is the money came up short $20K, and SS was frantically calling around trying to find out who had the rest of the money. The fire was set just after 1 p.m. That gave Wint approximately an hour to kill everyone in the house.

 

[Inthedetails]

According to the affidavit there was a flurry of phone calls from SS to his driver and others, with the last call going out to his driver at 11:54 a.m. My theory is the money came up short $20K, and SS was frantically calling around trying to find out who had the rest of the money. The fire was set just after 1 p.m. That gave Wint approximately an hour to kill everyone in the house.

I agree with everything except the reason for the calls. I think they were trying to get MORE money, in addition to the $40K.

I'm calling it a night. Solve the mysteries and tell me about it in the morning.

 

[MyBelle]

The affluent have totally different life experiences - the head of the bank would have come in at 3 in the morning for him if he asked!

Just a different world

The head of the bank also would have reported it to police. Money laundering laws and state banking regulations pretty much trump what a wealthy client "wants."

JMO

 

[KaylynnCouture]

I don't think AG had anything to do with the crime. I don't think the driver did either.

The options I'm going with are, in order of preference:
Wint alone
Wint with brother
Wint with a female (no evidence for that, just an option I'm considering)

I could be totally wrong of course....that happens. But I'm not seeing AG and the driver as people who would harm SS and family or steal from them.

JMO.

I agree with you. I lean towards him and his brother, and possibly one other. I just don't see him pulling this off on his own, but I also don't think AG was involved.

 

[jjenny]

You would think it should have taken more than one person. Yet only one guy is running on video. If he was with his friend or relative, why aren't they arunning away together? How did the other person leave? Also, 2 pizzas were oredred, but one wasn't eaten. The other was 3/4 eaten (which one man can easily do).
It's a strange case, that's for sure.