EVIDENCE - Pro and Con

Discussion in 'Heather Elvis' started by Salem, Mar 20, 2014.

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  1. Madeleine74

    Madeleine74 Of course it's my opinion, who else's would it be?

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    Most of the evidence is unknown to us right now. The state only showed what they needed to in order for a judge to deny bail.

    And, I read this morning that the grand jury indicted the M's for kidnapping and murder. I don't know if that means a preliminary hearing will still be held. If not, then we won't learn about much evidence until trial, which will be at least a year away, by the estimates given.
     
  2. Ghostwheel

    Ghostwheel Pyrrhonist

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    I have one theory where SM was able to get to the payphone while TM was using the restroom (or some such thing) and that he might have told Heather he wanted to go away with her and meant it, arranging to meet at 3:30 at PTL. Heather wasn't sure what she wanted to do about it (phone call to room mate and trying to call SM back on the payphone), getting SM on the phone at 3:17 and maybe getting a cryptic message if TM was in the room, arriving at PTL late and being worried when SM wasn't there, so trying to call, seeing the truck pull up, getting out of her car and getting whacked on the head because TM was in the truck and SM didn't know TM was going to whack her. It's way out there, but still fits within the facts, I think.
     
  3. rtjedarling

    rtjedarling New Member

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    I get this picture in my head of Heather and SM, like kids in love, as he is easy to view like a child with an abusive controlling wife/mom. Maybe he is, maybe not, maybe he was handcuffed somewhere at home while his wife carried out the deed. She looked happy with the gun in the court pic of them, maybe put a gun to his head many times. Then again maybe he was sick of the whole thing, or jealous/angry because Heather was choosing to move on and was ready to help TM get her. Of the two, he is the bigger question to me.
     
  4. nosysw

    nosysw Active Member

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    Above, BBM:

    Yes, and with the gag order now in place, I don't think we'l be seeing any more. :(
     
  5. LBDunes

    LBDunes Well-Known Member

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    I have a question about the photo in the bond hearing. The one with them grinning like fools and tm holding the gun. Did they elaborate when it was taken? Did they mention the significance of the photo?
     
  6. ChristYTN

    ChristYTN Her Name is Megan. Her Name is Kelly.

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    I thought when SM was using the.payphone...TM was sexting the teen boy? Or am I incorrect?,

    As an aside, I hope that mother presses charges.

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  7. hockeymom4

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    Hoppy said during the hearing it was only said that SM was at the pay phone. There were rumors that she was texting/sexting with her boyfriend at the time.
     
  8. RANCH

    RANCH Well-Known Member

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    I don't see why there will be a preliminary hearing since a Grand Jury has indicted the Moorer's on all of the charges that they have been arrested for.

    I was surprised that the state was going to use the preliminary hearing process to indict the Moorer's vs using the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury is a secret process were the defense is excluded. It's a one sided affair.

    A preliminary hearing is similar to a trial where both sides get to question witnesses. The defense gets to see what the state has for evidence early on in the process. When a Grand Jury is used the defense doesn't see anything. MOO.

    http://www.wbtw.com/story/25038367/grand-jury-indicts-couple-in-heather-elvis-murder
     
  9. cluciano63

    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    Do they have a hearing for them to enter pleas? Or have they already?
     
  10. LBDunes

    LBDunes Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I do remember the uproar. I believe it was debated that LE actually said the DNA was in the vehicle as opposed to them saying some of the evidence was DNA.
     
  11. SpongeBathHotPants

    SpongeBathHotPants Verified insider - Kenneth Coakley case

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    IMO I think that the "coincidence" of the timing of SM calling HE after the date is telling. WAY too coincidental for my taste.
     
  12. SpongeBathHotPants

    SpongeBathHotPants Verified insider - Kenneth Coakley case

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    Posting this a couple of places cuz I'm not sure where it fits

    Is it possible that LE found a spent shell casing at PTL and it matched the gun that TM is holding in the picture that was featured at the bond hearing? That they needed the gun to match ballistics before they could prove anything and they got the gun with the warrant and then matched it to the casing? That would make sense as to why they believe that she was killed at PTL, they find blood and gun power residue in the truck and there are the kidnapping charges. They would need a locksmith to open a gun safe. I live in a small town and we hear gun shot all of the time and never think much of it. If TM shot HE at PTL it is possible that no one paid attention to it. JMO
     
  13. PeterThomasFan

    PeterThomasFan Well-Known Member

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    No times were given (yet) for IEs. I posted earlier on the IE thread about the coincidence in those charges vs. the events that happen in parallel.


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  14. SharetheLight

    SharetheLight Share the Light, Share the Love

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    No, but I will. Thanks :)
     
  15. SharetheLight

    SharetheLight Share the Light, Share the Love

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    I think procedurally all felony cases get set on a PH docket. The grand jury then gets all felony cases prior to their PH date. The PH date is there just in case the grand jury does not hand down an indictment. Then the evidence is put on for a judge to determine whether or not there is probable cause to set the case in for trial.
    In the county I live in very very few cases are actually heard at the PH. Not that the grand jury indicts everything, but sometimes after the grand jury fails to indict the prosecutor will drop the case prior to the PH.
    And once an indictment is handed down, the case should come off the PH docket and set for some date on a status docket (to enter a plea, make the court aware if certain motions will be filed etc)
     
  16. SharetheLight

    SharetheLight Share the Light, Share the Love

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    I think this exact topic was discussed earlier today or last night on another thread. I've been reading most of them so I'm not sure which one but of I come across it again I will come back here and let you know :)
     
  17. PeterThomasFan

    PeterThomasFan Well-Known Member

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  18. LBDunes

    LBDunes Well-Known Member

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  19. What'sThatClue

    What'sThatClue Active Member

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    I can get it but according to TOS I can only post 10% of the article. Do you have a specific question? The article doesn't really say much, just a bit about where the M's were seen on video going to and from PTL.

    http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2014/03/22/4114074/surveillance-cameras-a-useful.html
     
  20. PeterThomasFan

    PeterThomasFan Well-Known Member

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    It went subscriber based several months ago. I believe for local MB area. Not sure how far out? I can usually view on my phone but not my desktop without getting a "subscribe" pop-up.

    If you are local, you have to mask your IP with a site like http://hidemyass.com


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