GA GA - Jenna Van Gelderen, 25, Atlanta, 18 Aug 2017 #1

[Capebluff]

FWIW, I took the leap & checked the Atlanta/Decatur (& surrounding areas) Backpage. I searched from August 14-present. Of the abundant amount of ads I went through, I did NOT see any listings with photos that resembled Jenna in the least bit. However, there are quite a few that have no photo attached. Only cell phone #s.
I want to point out that my intention was not to point fingers or cast judgement, but to potentially help find her. Many of the people listed on Backpage are not there willingly, but due to others posting their photos.

I REALLY hope for some good news soon! I'm so sorry for all you're family is going through, wvangelderen. Hugs!

 

[DQN]

I think Jenna just got involved with the wrong crowd starting with losing her job at the pet store.

It may be water under the bridge now if LE is getting a search warrant for the apartment. But if they are dragging their feet. Find out who the landlord is, if her name is on the lease the family has every right to enter only WITH LE (for their own safety) to search and get her computer etc. The room mate is covering up for something.

Leaving the shoes or phone wire, or toiletries not a big deal. She probably has plenty of shoes and they were schlep arounds while at her parents, everyone has forgotten their charge wires places and usually have plenty more. The toiletries were just bare necessities as she stayed at the home and watch their precious pet. It could have very well been her room mate that influenced her to steal from the Pet Store as well as taking the tapestry that has more sentimental value than anything which shows it was an amateur that influenced her to take it so they could sell it for a lot of money. Jenna also knew her brother would come by for the cats meds, so she did not abandon her pet.

The fact alone she was secretive to her parents about her personal life was a red flag. Jenna was probably told don't tell your parents your living here, don't tell your parents who I am that you are living with etc. etc. It could also be her room mate setting her up for trafficking to financially gain from it. Jenna could very well be in that apartment.

 

[Bently]

I think Jenna just got involved with the wrong crowd starting with losing her job at the pet store.

It may be water under the bridge now if LE is getting a search warrant for the apartment. But if they are dragging their feet. Find out who the landlord is, if her name is on the lease the family has every right to enter only WITH LE (for their own safety) to search and get her computer etc. The room mate is covering up for something.

Leaving the shoes or phone wire, or toiletries not a big deal. She probably has plenty of shoes and they were schlep arounds while at her parents, everyone has forgotten their charge wires places and usually have plenty more. The toiletries were just bare necessities as she stayed at the home and watch their precious pet. It could have very well been her room mate that influenced her to steal from the Pet Store as well as taking the tapestry that has more sentimental value than anything which shows it was an amateur that influenced her to take it so they could sell it for a lot of money. Jenna also knew her brother would come by for the cats meds, so she did not abandon her pet.

The fact alone she was secretive to her parents about her personal life was a red flag. Jenna was probably told don't tell your parents your living here, don't tell your parents who I am that you are living with etc. etc. It could also be her room mate setting her up for trafficking to financially gain from it. Jenna could very well be in that apartment.

BBM

I don't believe that in the State of Georgia the law allows for someone not on the lease to enter. We've gone though this likeness on the Isabella Hellman case on the threads :moo: and her family could not legally enter even when they had a police escort. Unless they (Jenna's parent's) are on the lease,they wouldn't be able to enter, especially if there was another person there denying entry, e.g. similar to the Hellman case.

I believe, very strongly, that her family is very well versed in real estate laws and know what they can, and cannot do legally.

:moo:

Her parents on the interview were so brokenhearted, and I would hope that if Jenna was able to see that, that she would be getting in touch with them. :heartbeat:

My heart breaks for the family and all concerned in this most difficult time. I hope that the media helps to reunite the family, in addition to the ongoing law enforcement investigation.

As Foxfire would say....... well... y'all know.... he was all about getting it out into the public domain for helping others.

 

[Shiressleuth]

When I read that a suitcase was missing, my first :thinking: was folding up the linen/tapestry for safe travel... since nothing else was missing. (I am guessing that the family must know/have seen what type of "suitcase" she brought over for the weekend... )

:dunno:

Speculating big time on facts though.

And seeing the frame and where it was at, and that it was horizontal... makes me even more :thinking: as I had expected that is was hung 90 degrees and was vertical in placement. That really surprised me as I had it in my mind so incorrectly.

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Seeing the photo of the quilt/tapestry frame with the large piece of glass missing makes me think it was removed by just pulling it out of that corner hole in the glass. It would be soft/pliable and come out without maybe taking it off the wall even. Any further info on value or insurance value even? Good point about putting it in the suitcase for safe travel (or concealment). Have the other two pieces been taken also -the pieces that were not framed?

Some reports said the house was in disarray. Is there any further info on that? Just untidy or drawers open and chairs out of place or how much in disarray?

I do hope the family have news of the LE search of the apartment before the vigil on Tuesday.

 

[Stanly]

Seeing the photo of the quilt/tapestry frame with the large piece of glass missing makes me think it was removed by just pulling it out of that corner hole in the glass. It would be soft/pliable and come out without maybe taking it off the wall even. Any further info on value or insurance value even? Good point about putting it in the suitcase for safe travel (or concealment). Have the other two pieces been taken also -the pieces that were not framed?

Some reports said the house was in disarray. Is there any further info on that? Just untidy or drawers open and chairs out of place or how much in disarray?

I do hope the family have news of the LE search of the apartment before the vigil on Tuesday.

I have asked the same about the house being in disarray but no info has been provided anywhere.

The following link states the tapestry had little monetary value.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/dek...oman-disappeared-while-housesitting/599493475

I wonder if she knew this? Though, i do feel it is nothing to do with the tapestry and perhaps a bit of a decoy. If you are house sitting and in dire need of money, its a lot of trouble to go through even if you suspect its worth a lot of money. "If" she left, it would seem she left in a hurry as the tv and lights were left on etc... so why would taking the tapestry be a quick solution to money?

She had free roam of the house and could have taken anything. I dont believe she walked out of there but i have no evidence, just all my opinions and thinking out loud whilst trying to piece it all together [emoji4]

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[Elainera]

I wonder if someone threw something in fit of anger, such as a drink in their hand, and it broke the glass in the frame and soiled the tapestry. Jenna cleaned everything as best as she could and took out the tapestry to bring it to the dry cleaner first thing Sat morning?

Where is the piece of glass that broke out from the frame? Is it one piece? Maybe check the vacuum bag whether glass has been vacuumed.

I'm dismayed that LE seems to be dragging their feet. Are they thinking thief + drugs = left on her own ?

What should have been done immediately: search her room, dust frame and parents' house for fingerprints, check surveillance from surrounding homes and businesses.

Hopefully they will search her room today, although evidence for anything that might have happened there might be long gone. I doubt they'll send in a full forensic team.

Also, dusting the frame and other pieces of furniture etc for fingerprints is probably also too late now. Same goes for the surveillance cameras. :facepalm:

Question: how big is that missing suitcase?

 

[Jennifer17]

I think that there is something wrong going on here. It seems to me that too much derogatory information is being given about her.

 

[Stanly]

I think that there is something wrong going on here. It seems to me that too much derogatory information is being given about her.

Also, on her fb page her last post was 20th august last year. Exactly a year ago from the day she went missing. Its as if her whole year has been removed and all we know about her is what we are told. She was posting every couple of days and then nothing for a whole year. She looks like a good girl, high morals and friends and religion are important to her. Bizarre!

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[noseynellie]

Wow, thanks Shiresleuth on the glass call. I was thinking it was a small piece.
Chills. That def could've been done by one person not taking down the frame, especially since like you said, the contents are soft and easy to bend for removal. So that changes things in my mind.

Question on the lock up still. What type of person cares about locking the house back up if they are a thief/criminal?

(Side note: sorry to hear about Foxfire, all. I've not been here in a long time. I really appreciated his thoughts on the Dermonds. He always seemed like the guy you'd want to have on your side. [emoji177])


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[JC40]

Disparagement of her name is not something i would expect from close relatives. The information released may or may not be relevant.
But to sully her name raises red flags for me.
Why would they do this?
Did they part on bad terms? This still, for me is no excuse.
In times like this most will eulogise about the missing relative, not put them down.

Something aint right. What it is i dont know.

 

[subie_climber]

Disparagement of her name is not something i would expect from close relatives. The information released may or may not be relevant.
But to sully her name raises red flags for me.
Why would they do this?
Did they part on bad terms? This still, for me is no excuse.
In times like this most will eulogise about the missing relative, not put them down.

Something aint right. What it is i dont know.

We are working on this , activity. Not what I said at all in the police report. Working to get this fixed and find out why that was quoted

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[bears10]

Disparagement of her name is not something i would expect from close relatives. The information released may or may not be relevant.
But to sully her name raises red flags for me.
Why would they do this?
Did they part on bad terms? This still, for me is no excuse.
In times like this most will eulogise about the missing relative, not put them down.

Something aint right. What it is i dont know.

They aren't putting her down. They are providing as much info as they can, regardless of how it may make her or her family look. I have to commend them for that. In many MP cases, the family will not say anything negative, even if it's incredibly relevant to the case, because don't want people to perceive their loved one as a bad person, which is understandable, but not helpful.

 

[Capebluff]

Disparagement of her name is not something i would expect from close relatives. The information released may or may not be relevant.
But to sully her name raises red flags for me.
Why would they do this?
Did they part on bad terms? This still, for me is no excuse.
In times like this most will eulogise about the missing relative, not put them down.

Something aint right. What it is i dont know.

I believe this is what they were attempting when she initially went missing. However, considering how long she's been missing at this point, & in order to get media coverage & to seek out legitimate leads in finding Jenna, the family now has to be 100% transparent. Whether that includes divulging not so 'savory' facts to some outsiders looking in, their purpose seems nothing short of desperation to find Jenna. Additionally, imagine if they had chosen not to be transparent-media picks up the story & begins their own digging into Jenna's past & before you know it, she's painted in a far worse light by a news reporter looking for 'likes'. If the family divulges certain things, it's not as shocking to the public. ALL MOO

If I were Jenna's family, I would not hesitate to divulge as much information possible despite the possibility of any judgement from the public. My desire to find my child would profoundly outweigh my concern for finger pointing & judgement. MOO.

 

[FlossyMay]

Has anyone reported seeing her or her vehicle anywhere at all since she went missing?

 

[Jbunnatl]

So based on the address I found on one of the missing flyers, it looks like her apartment is a little further from the parents then I assumed. I live in Atlanta and know it well...the house is in a very nice area not far from Emory but the apartment is in a somewhat seedy area. Reviews of the complex located at that address show that people don't feel super safe there and there were complaints of unsavory people hanging around and robberies. Very close to the Cheshire Bridge area which is laden with strip clubs and smoke shops, albeit still not terribly far from good restaurants, buckhead, and Lenox mall which are desirable shopping areas. But I still wonder why she chose to live there, other than cheap rent...clearly determined to be doing things her own way?

 

[anonypotomous]

I think that there is something wrong going on here. It seems to me that too much derogatory information is being given about her.

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[monkeypants]

Have you checked out the strip clubs to ask if she is working at or been seen at them lately? Is your PI surveilling the apt?

 

[Bently]

Thanks , they took my quote out of context on the prostituting part. I never said she was doing that. Only we had heard earlier this year she *may* have been. No confirmation

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[Bently]

I agree with the above posters that transparency is key here.

The issue perhaps is not the information being released, the issue is on the person that reads it and judges the person in a negative way. :moo: :cow:

She is a young lady who is missing, and after a week the family is pulling out all stops to get her name out in the media and her picture, and to do so, they have to give an honest picture of the situation.

Kudos to them for doing such as it indeed may give anyone wanting to help more information on what to look to/where to look. Just review the threads and see how many had new ideas with the new information iykwim.

:heartbeat: for the family

 

[DQN]

BBM

I don't believe that in the State of Georgia the law allows for someone not on the lease to enter. We've gone though this likeness on the Isabella Hellman case on the threads :moo: and her family could not legally enter even when they had a police escort. Unless they (Jenna's parent's) are on the lease,they wouldn't be able to enter, especially if there was another person there denying entry, e.g. similar to the Hellman case.

I believe, very strongly, that her family is very well versed in real estate laws and know what they can, and cannot do legally.

:moo:

Her parents on the interview were so brokenhearted, and I would hope that if Jenna was able to see that, that she would be getting in touch with them. :heartbeat:

My heart breaks for the family and all concerned in this most difficult time. I hope that the media helps to reunite the family, in addition to the ongoing law enforcement investigation.

As Foxfire would say....... well... y'all know.... he was all about getting it out into the public domain for helping others.

The more I read here my thoughts are she moved in with someone that already had the apartment. That would make more sense that the family didn't know where or who.

The quilt was taken out of the frame, then it could be folded and put in the suit case, less conspicuous than moving a frame. The glass probably broke on the end when it was being removed, the corner could have even been stepped on while on the floor.

No one is disparaging Jenna. If her brother wanted to sugar coat it he would say she hung out at the temple and library. Instead he is smart and putting out there some things that may have come up over the past few months. Whether it pans out or not at least people will have their eyes open in right direction. Do you think it's easy for him to be on here giving out information and talking about his missing sister? Trust me he is still in a state of shock over it. I give him a lot of credit. It's an emotional roller coaster that I wish on no one. I know, I have been there with my niece. He is doing everything he can to help his family locate her.

Those making the remarks about disparaging comments could be using that posting time to help look for her.

In my experience as a researcher sometimes the littlest piece of information that may mean nothing, breaks open a treasure trove of information. More so than the obvious.