Discussion in 'Holly Bobo' started by nursebeeme, Mar 5, 2014.
Why would they charge witnesses who they want to testify for the prosecution?
I would suggest just the opposite. I'm betting prisons are filled with people who are adamant that they are innocent. And OR Autry is trying to control and manipulate. Who knows which. Time will tell.
I would bet they do. They didn't just up and decide one day to make arrests. That would be incompetence and cut against the way they operate. They get one chance at this and they're not going to charge people just because someone on Topix says so and so did it.
Relax. That's how a vast majority of cases are. Nothing new to prosecutors or to juries for that matter.
That is still on the books but stems from the old laws of England and even England has done away with it. Most states have abolished any such concept and I believe even under the federal statute it requires active concealment as opposed to simple failure to report. Just wanted to clarify that I don't think it's as simple as failing to report a felony and the elements are probably actually closer to proving one is an accessory after the fact, which is what it appears from the snippet below that Eric Boyd was convicted of.
Well no, we really can't. You can't interpret that "white" means the color of leaves in summer, and then just say we "disagree" when I point out that leaves are green. Words - and legal charges - have objective meaning.
The meaning in the wording of the murder charge, as it related to the kidnapping charge, is specific.
Legally, and under the specific terminology selected by the DA, the murder was within the "perpetration of the kidnapping" in that she was taken, and then at some point thereafter, without ever having been released, she was murdered. It is a legal distinction, relevant to the way ZA was charged, and one the DA was careful to make.
But it explicitly does NOT connote that she had to have been killed in the act of being taken, or even shortly thereafter. As for how long she was held and alive, no one knows. We have no theory from the DA, no confession from the perp, and nothing in the reading of the charges to indicate a time interval of any length between when she was taken and when she died, whether hours, days, or even many months. So far, we have no way to know.
That is fact, not opinion.
Respectfully disagree. LE and DA's typically play it close to the vest. Why would they want to give the defense attorney any more information than they have to any sooner than they have to? Only time will tell exactly what they have.
You don't know what they have so you can't know if they could have had it in the first week.
I'm gonna bet that is all inclusive.
Exactly. In reading the case and court ruling, I came to the very same conclusion. It was not really the failure to report, but rather the active involvement after the fact, that was the basis for his charges and conviction.
Because they witnessed a missing/kidnapped woman being held when the entire county was searching for her.
For discussion purposes, what if Holly was a child. A 6 year old little girl and some saw her alive and did nothing
You are aboslutely entitled to think or feel whatever you like. They won't get charged because as far as I know so far they didn't do anything to conceal the crime and failing to report it simply isn't enough. Second, the prosecution wants them to talk, not clam up because they caught some charges. That would be pretty counter-productive in the bigger picture.
Ummm isn't that what I posted. You snipped my post so the relevancy is lost in your comments. We were discussing witnesses.
As a retired prison health services employee (20+yrs), I can confirm that your statement is correct. IMO
I would say they are scum and cowards but simply failing to report it is not a crime. If asked by LE if they saw the child and they deny it, now there is a crime. If they see the 6 year old being held captive, fail to report it and then put up blinds because they thought LE might see the same thing...now you may have a crime.
LE may not have been able to get a warrant that first couple days/weeks but they surely could have went and knocked on each of their doors and there is no telling whether or not they could have saved Holly if they had done that. Maybe they did do this even.
IMO, it seems they had a real opportunity to possibly save her. When LE knocks on someone's door, the people inside could have reacted with fear and maybe even Holly would have screamed for help just at the right time. Then no warrant is needed if LE hears someone needing help inside. Or the people inside may have panicked after LE left and maybe even let her go.
We dont know much of what LE did or didnt do in those early days but from what little we know so far it sure seems like more could have been done. I truly hope we will find out they did everything right and knocked on all the right doors and just didnt find any reason to suspect them further.
It is just very troubling right now to find out that they had Sketches of the perp, a witness at the coon hunt who went to LE with their concerns, and that LE would have had to know who that sketch looked like. Huge concerns about what may have not been done but should have been.
And the relentless efforts from the Bobos to get answers to no avail.
They probably talked to, or tried to interview, others as well. It's just that he was incarcerated so they could at least force him to show up and say "I don't want to talk to you".
I just think we don't know enough to know whether more could have been done or not. I would be truly heartsick if it turned out LE dropped the ball at a point she could have been saved. I certainly don't want to believe that.
But what you suggested isn't what Steve was referring to. He specifically said the rumors should have prompted a search of their homes.
I don't think we know if LE knocked on their doors or not. If they did, I suspect Holly might not have been in any state to know it or able to cry out for help.
We know she was there and was seen, but I doubt she was sitting on the couch watching television.