ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow #4

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Snipped from the Social Media rules in my signature:

ALLOWED SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES


Individuals
Victim (missing or murdered person)
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There have been contradicting reports from MSM sources quoting LE statements today.
This:
University of Idaho murders: police can't say if survivors are witnesses or suspects | Fox News

Published November 18, 2022 1:28pm EST by Rebecca Rosenberg
"These are people who may have seen the crime but on the flip side may have committed the crime," said Aaron Snell, communications director for the Idaho State Police. "We don’t know if they are witnesses, victims or suspects, so until we do a thorough investigation, naming them would be inappropriate."

And this:
Moscow Police clear surviving roommates and man in 'Twitch' video, dispel other online rumors in U of I murders - KXLY

Posted: November 18, 2022 5:04 PM
Updated: November 18, 2022 5:11 PM by Melisssa Luck
Moscow Police released new information late Friday afternoon, which also included confirmation that the victims were likely asleep when they were attacked and stabbed to death.

Police say the coroner stated the victims were each stabbed multiple times; some of them had defensive wounds.

“At this time in the investigation, detectives do not believe the two surviving roommates or the male in the Grub Truck surveillance video are involved in this crime,” police said in the release. Additionally, online reports of the victims being tied and gagged are not accurate. The identity of the 911 caller has not been released", police said in the release. "Additionally, online reports of the victims being tied and gagged are not accurate. The identity of the 911 caller has not been released.”

What does that mean for discussion by members on this thread?
At this time, WS can allow discussion what is said in both reports.
PLEASE:
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Don't bicker with other members about their opinions or why they are giving more weight to one report over another.

This is a very fluid situation, and the rules may change as we learn more.
Thank you for helping us navigate the discussion of this difficult case on our forum.
 
Entrance?
My front door has a code to enter. Rental properties often have such door locks as you can reset them, cheaper than changing locks between renters.
That would imply it was someone they knew- if they entered the front door using the code.

Also Sliding patio doors are not terribly secure, we always kept a wooden stick in the track.
If the dog was found outside, they could have been interrupted while letting the dog out when they returned home?

If it is an obvious connected perp it has been long enough, they should Be focusing in on them. In my opinion this may be crime of opportunity, unrelated or unknown to them
 
IMO That sounds like the two girls heard something and were calling for help? To call this “J”that many times for each of their phones. Jack must have not answered?
Why did they not call 911?
Prayers for the families and friends for the pain of this horrific tragedy
 
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From Thread #3

Of the four University of Idaho students who were found stabbed to death in a rental house last Sunday, some were killed in their beds, the Latah County coroner told CBS News Friday.

Coroner Cathy Mabbutt would not provide any further details. She noted, however, that earlier media reports stating all four victims had been murdered in their beds were not accurate.


 
From Thread #3

Of the four University of Idaho students who were found stabbed to death in a rental house last Sunday, some were killed in their beds, the Latah County coroner told CBS News Friday.

Coroner Cathy Mabbutt would not provide any further details. She noted, however, that earlier media reports stating all four victims had been murdered in their beds were not accurate.



I was trying to find where they said only some of the people were killed in their beds. I knew I had read that somewhere! Thank you!
 
IMO That sounds like the two girls heard something and were calling for help? To call this Jack that many times for each of their phones. Jack must have not answered?
Why did they not call 911?
Prayers for the families and friends for the pain of this horrific tragedy
To guess why , imho,scenario one could be like this…. once I thought someone was breaking into my house when my husband was out of town. I was young. I called him in Kansas first. I was scared. He said if you REALLY think someone’s breaking in why aren’t you calling 911? Good point. But I wasn’t positive and I didn’t want to call the police and make a fool of myself and bother them if nothing was amiss. So after speaking to husband I did call 911. Scenario two, in my youth when I came home after a few drinks I called my ex trying to make up and invite him over in a moment of alcohol induced romantic sentimentality that would often fade with the dawn. I imagine those calls could fit into either category possibly. Being scared and wanting him to come over or feeling affectionate and wanting to talk.
 
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