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There have been contradicting reports from MSM sources quoting LE statements today.
This:
University of Idaho murders: police can't say if survivors are witnesses or suspects | Fox News

Published November 18, 2022 1:28pm EST by Rebecca Rosenberg
"These are people who may have seen the crime but on the flip side may have committed the crime," said Aaron Snell, communications director for the Idaho State Police. "We don’t know if they are witnesses, victims or suspects, so until we do a thorough investigation, naming them would be inappropriate."

And this:
Moscow Police clear surviving roommates and man in 'Twitch' video, dispel other online rumors in U of I murders - KXLY

Posted: November 18, 2022 5:04 PM
Updated: November 18, 2022 5:11 PM by Melisssa Luck
Moscow Police released new information late Friday afternoon, which also included confirmation that the victims were likely asleep when they were attacked and stabbed to death.

Police say the coroner stated the victims were each stabbed multiple times; some of them had defensive wounds.

“At this time in the investigation, detectives do not believe the two surviving roommates or the male in the Grub Truck surveillance video are involved in this crime,” police said in the release. Additionally, online reports of the victims being tied and gagged are not accurate. The identity of the 911 caller has not been released", police said in the release. "Additionally, online reports of the victims being tied and gagged are not accurate. The identity of the 911 caller has not been released.”

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This may have gotten lost in thread switch-
I’m more concerned now about the full in involvement of the FBI CIRG Group… and wonder about the nature of the stalking.
Anybody remember Ruby Ridge and Waco?

In response to public outcry over the standoffs at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and of the Branch Davidians in the Waco Siege, the FBI formed the CIRG in 1994 to deal with crisis situations more efficiently. The CIRG is designated to formulate strategies, manage hostage or siege situations, and if possible resolve them "without loss of life", as pledged in a 1995 Senate hearing by FBI Director Louis Freeh, who assumed the post four-and-a-half months after the Waco Siege.

CIRG was intended to integrate tactical and investigative resources and expertise for critical incidents which necessitate an immediate response from law enforcement authorities. CIRG will deploy investigative specialists to respond to terrorist activities, hostage takings, child abductions and other high-risk repetitive violent crimes. Other major incidents include prison riots, bombings, air and train crashes, and natural disasters.

 
Where has the suggestion that the1st floor had a lockable door from the 2nd floor come from?

Apart from being an odd feature that does add an element of additional insight into the two survivors. If true they were potentially behind not just 1 but 2 locked door layers of security.

Therefore were they truly missed/ignored by the perpetrator or just too hard to get to in a hurry.
 
The FBI Critical response team
This may have gotten lost in thread switch-
I’m more concerned now about the full in involvement of the FBI CIRG Group… and wonder about the nature of the stalking.
Anybody remember Ruby Ridge and Waco?

In response to public outcry over the standoffs at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and of the Branch Davidians in the Waco Siege, the FBI formed the CIRG in 1994 to deal with crisis situations more efficiently. The CIRG is designated to formulate strategies, manage hostage or siege situations, and if possible resolve them "without loss of life", as pledged in a 1995 Senate hearing by FBI Director Louis Freeh, who assumed the post four-and-a-half months after the Waco Siege.

CIRG was intended to integrate tactical and investigative resources and expertise for critical incidents which necessitate an immediate response from law enforcement authorities. CIRG will deploy investigative specialists to respond to terrorist activities, hostage takings, child abductions and other high-risk repetitive violent crimes. Other major incidents include prison riots, bombings, air and train crashes, and natural disasters.

yes! They do behavioral analysis as well! The criteria for FBI to become involved would be interesting as well.
 

The news on this story seems more convoluted than usual. This story was updated, and the police still state that this was a "targeted attack", and the community is safe.

So, there is a killer loose, that killed four people with a hunting knife, but everything is fine....(?!).

And must say, I called it that LEO had already screwed up the crime scene...Moscow, ID, not a place where a lot of quadruple homicides occur. Doesn't surprise me that they bungled it.
 
@Garshin posted this on the last thread. I couldn't figure out how to carry it forward. (and want to respond)

Here is another floorplan I found elsewhere. This matches with my previous attempt but I think is much cleaner and proportional than mine. The red numbers and camera icons still match up with the zillow listing. One thing to note is that the perspective is flipped from mine but the layout is the same (these being viewed from the back of the house where mine was from the front). The only thing I'm unsure about is the location of Xana's and Ethan's bedroom. If it is located where this particular floorplan says it is it confuses things quite a bit IMO.

Zillow: 1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 | Zillow

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THIS layout (of bedrooms is my understanding)
 
The FBI Critical response team

yes! They do behavioral analysis as well! The criteria for FBI to become involved would be interesting as well.
The FBI can be invited in by local LE either generally or for specific tasks. The smaller and safer the community/state, the more likely they may need additional help for serious violent crimes. The FBI can also handle evidence processing where local LE does not have the capacity.
 
Someone mentioned earlier about there being greater crowds in Moscow the weekend of November 12 & 13 because of restrictions in nearby Pullman, due to observing the anniversary of a hazing death at a college of Washington Sate University on November 12, 2019. Could the timing be conspicuous given these were also sorority/fraternity kids?

This is one of many reports:

 
@Garshin posted this on the last thread. I couldn't figure out how to carry it forward. (and want to respond)

Here is another floorplan I found elsewhere. This matches with my previous attempt but I think is much cleaner and proportional than mine. The red numbers and camera icons still match up with the zillow listing. One thing to note is that the perspective is flipped from mine but the layout is the same (these being viewed from the back of the house where mine was from the front). The only thing I'm unsure about is the location of Xana's and Ethan's bedroom. If it is located where this particular floorplan says it is it confuses things quite a bit IMO.

Zillow: 1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 | Zillow

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THIS layout (of bedrooms is my understanding)
It looks the same to me.
 

The news on this story seems more convoluted than usual. This story was updated, and the police still state that this was a "targeted attack", and the community is safe.

So, there is a killer loose, that killed four people with a hunting knife, but everything is fine....(?!).

And must say, I called it that LEO had already screwed up the crime scene...Moscow, ID, not a place where a lot of quadruple homicides occur. Doesn't surprise me that they bungled it.
And, I doubt students are in a hurry to return. Best the school extend Thanksgiving vacation until after Jan 1. Maybe by then...
 
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