Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #22

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Lori Vallow's husband is seen leaving jail as it's revealed he and dead spouse filed for bankruptcy | Daily Mail Online

I looked at all of the photos of CD in Kauai from Tuesday (the day he went to see L) and he's always got this piece of white paper in his hand. Into the jail, out of the jail, into the Walmart, out of the Walmart, there's that piece of white paper. No groceries, no bags.

IMO, that piece of paper had certain amounts of money written down on it, that he needed to talk to L about, and that he went to Walmart to do a wire transfer to someone for something.
 
Thanks, but that wasn't my post. Someone else must have posted that theory. :)
I do think Chad was probably busy getting ready to leave Kauai. No doubt, Lori's lawyer might have prepared them for the possibility that she wouldn't get her bail reduced. He had the waiver of extradition form ready and presented it immediately after the judge ruled on bail staying at $5 Million. I do wonder where Chad is now... I hope he is arrogant enough to continue to stand by Lori and proclaim his innocence in this whole mess. If he plans to do that, then he will head back to Idaho to try to bail her out there and attend all her hearings. If he plans to cut his losses and go on the run, then we could be looking at quite a roller coaster of a ride still to come. MOO.
Probably confused you with @CSIDreamer (You've both got photos of such cute girls in your profiles). Yes, it was. Here's the post: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #21

Looks like he was preparing to leave Hawaii though:
Video: Husband of Idaho mom whose kids went missing refuses to speak on their whereabouts
 
I think Kollar (the prosecutor) was referring to the move from AZ to ID: "Yes the move may have been preplanned but it certainly raises eyebrows with the state that the move appears to have been planned before her husband passed away. So the state considers that as well." She shakes her head in defiance, but he then lists the numerous states and identification and open defiance of court orders. He may have been speculating that she planned to move from AZ to ID to HI, but it's not without merit.
One key thing I think the prosecutor picked up on in regards to Lori's move from Arizona to Idaho is that on the day of CV's death, from the cop's bodycam footage, we see hardly any furniture in the house. One might argue that is because she just moved in, but it could also be planning to move again. She wasn't willing to commit to that location. We see that again in Rexburg. What was the state of her townhome in Rexburg, as bare as the home in Arizona. But as we know from moving in to Kauai, they actually got furniture and moved her church records. We see her digging in when she thinks she is safe and "digging out when the chips were down" as Kollar said.


Thank you for this perspective.

My initial perception of LVD showing emotion over the "loss of control", was wrong. After considering your post, I now believe the emotion she expresses is when prosecution "hits a nerve".

She has always been in control of the narrative..imo...
 
. But true or not, what kind of mother broadcasts all those things about her children’s father?! Those kids must already be getting an onslaught of questions/snarky comments about their potentially murderous mom, murderous great aunt, murderous (and now dead) great uncle, murdered great uncle and two missing cousins. Adding their father’s alleged abuse, alleged homosexuality and alleged *advertiser censored* addiction to the mix may be more than those poor kids can bear.

All that statement accomplished IMO is establishing MB’s a horrible mother and BB is right to keep his kids away from her. And her lawyer has terrible judgment
I hope like h*** those kids are NOT currently in public school.

I'm looking for a source and can't find it. Maybe I dreamed it. I thought I saw an article from Lori's initial hearing where *someone* from Idaho was quoted as saying "we can have people there in a couple of days" to escort her back to Idsho. I just assumed they would just fly commercial. Does anyone remember that? Jmo

I'm googling all kinds of combos and can't find it.
It's there somewhere; I remember it, too.

Adam Herbets on Twitter

Clarification on the March 4 status hearing in Hawaii from Lori’s attorney Craig De Costa. “They can come get her anytime. The status hearing is to see if she’s still here or got picked up. If she’s picked up she doesn’t need to be here for the hearing.”
I thought that was obvious from the hearing.

Her attorney wants rid of her.
Oh, totally. I kept getting so sidetracked watching his body language and speech patterns that I forgot to watch her! IMO, he did not have any belief that the hearing to reduce bail was going to accomplish anything, and was just doing what his client wanted him to. Compare his mannerisms and the way he's speaking during the first portion, about the request for bail reduction, with the way he speaks and behaves after the judge has made her decision and he moves on the the waiver. Much more confident and comfortable. Honestly was surprised at how much he was broadcasting his discomfort with having to make the request; it didn't fit with his apparent years of experience. It screamed of "just doing this because I have to, not because I believe in it". And, since Kauai seems to be a very small community with very few judges, the judge is almost certain to be very familiar with his typical courtroom demeanor. Her words - and disdain - were for Lori, IMO, and not the defense attorney, who was simply doing his job. However, I'm doubtful Lori picked up on any of that.

A defense attorney does not necessarily believe their client is innocent. A good one will not make unrealistic promises to their client; rather, they will help them seek the most favorable option available to them. Often, an attorney will encourage their client to plea bargain to lesser charges because they believe the client is likely to be convicted at trial and thus have much greater punishment. It can be pretty difficult for an attorney to deal with a client who will not accept reality. In this case, I suspect that Lori demanded that he fight extradition and for reduced bail, and that a compromise was reached where he convinced her that if the judge denied the reduction, her chances of reduced bail would be better once she was back in Idaho, which made her willing to sign the waiver.

EXCLUSIVE: Cult mom Lori Vallow's husband Chad Daybell is seen leaving jail after an unscheduled visit with his wife as it's revealed he and his dead spouse had debts of $350,000 and filed for bankruptcy in 2008

via ‎MailOnline
I can't figure out why the media even thinks that 10+ year old debt and bankruptcy filing is relevant to the case. Heck, they could have ignored the debts and had them off their credit report by now.

Does anyone have any thoughts on how Lori and Alex got a Sugar City, Idaho PO Box without having lived in Sugar City? It's been several years, but the last time I tried to get a PO Box right after moving to a new city I needed to present evidence of my address to get the box. I didn't have any utility bills or my ID changed yet. I ended up having to take a copy of the lease agreement I had just signed into the post office. I was told at the time that these were rules that were made after 911, whereas in the past anyone could come from out of town and set up a PO Box without proving they lived there... What would Lori and/or Alex have demonstrating they lived in Sugar City? Could Alex have moved there first and then added Lori's name to the PO Box?

Um... I've never had to prove that I lived in the same city as where I got a PO Box. In fact, I've usually gotten one months before I moved, before I even found housing, so that I had somewhere to forward mail to ahead of time. For both same-state and different-state moves. You have to have ID, and you have to prove your current physical address, but it doesn't have to be local to the PO Box. It's incredibly common in the region I'm from for people to get boxes at a different office because the size they want is unavailable at the nearest one. (Or, they're completely full up, which happens at one particular location at least once a year.)

The last time I had to add multiple adults to my box, I simply added all their names. The only reason they needed to show ID was if they were going to want to be able to enter the post office and be handed the mail; the post office doesn't care who picks it up with a key. And any name will end up in the box at most post offices, so long as it has the correct address. Even using a pseudonym on a PO box is relatively simple, just add it to the list. The ID proof is so they can track down at least one real person in connection with the box, if necessary. (I've had a lot more difficulty trying to get them to STOP delivering mail to me that was not for me/my household. That's pretty much futile, IMO.)
 
I didn't mean be critical in questioning your post, I do hope you know that. I've realized my brain and my posts don't always seem to work in tandem - making my words much more abrasive than intended. I know you follow the WS rules, and I also know I sometimes miss critical info. Also, you are my timeline hero - you make hundreds of pieces of info fit into a cohesive form that we can all understand. Thank you :)

No worries, I didn't take offense. :)

The address thing is only a theory of mine right now. I have made many theories that turn out to be wrong after we get more info. I couldn't make the timeline without all the fabulous members here that have dug up court records and posted article links. I'm just a natural organizer and good at noticing details. I'm making things make sense for myself, as well, when I put the timeline together. :cool:
 
Nightline featured LVD’s appearance in court last night. They showed a quick video of CD moving out of the townhouse he and LVD lives in in HI. They said while the hearing was going on he was moving with the help of two men.... I think they were from a moving company and not friends lol. So I believe that is why he was not in court. I think they both knew that there was likely no way she would get a lower bail. MOO
Thanks so much for this! I just watched the whole segment (Excellent recap of the story) to get to the part at the end to confirm my suspicion that they were renting furniture, which they were. It wasn’t a moving company it was the rental company picking up the furniture. My guess is that they didn’t take it to a new location for Chad, and Chad is getting ready for some kind move himself.
Video: Husband of Idaho mom whose kids went missing refuses to speak on their whereabouts
 
Does anyone have any thoughts on how Lori and Alex got a Sugar City, Idaho PO Box without having lived in Sugar City? It's been several years, but the last time I tried to get a PO Box right after moving to a new city I needed to present evidence of my address to get the box. I didn't have any utility bills or my ID changed yet. I ended up having to take a copy of the lease agreement I had just signed into the post office. I was told at the time that these were rules that were made after 911, whereas in the past anyone could come from out of town and set up a PO Box without proving they lived there... What would Lori and/or Alex have demonstrating they lived in Sugar City? Could Alex have moved there first and then added Lori's name to the PO Box?
Do we have any way of knowing WHEN this box was taken out? If it was long before they moved there, WHAT did they need to be sent there. I always wondered why would Alex even be on it, if he had a job out of Phoenix Area. Though we cannot discuss it, do people know what company he worked for? I know a verified individual mentioned that he was an employee, and not a contractor.
 
You know, the more I think about this and the timeline of everything, I am beginning to wonder if CD‘s involvement in the most disturbing parts of this situation are not quite as deep. If LVD and AC “sped along” his “vision” of his wife dying and he bought into JJ and TR being hidden for their safety or something. I read over the whole timeline again (which is a lot of work btw so thank you to who is doing that). The striking difference in that timeline about how CD and LVD got to where they are now stuck out to me. CD’s seemed like a desperate search for meaning in these “visions” and probably a growing ego by all those who followed him....LVD a very mentally unstable person wanting to live a life of luxury and popularity and not seeming to care at all about how she got there. She lived on the north shore of Kauai when she started reading these books. She had a failed business with her now deceased husband. She wanted the wealthy Kauai life that she was surrounded by and perhaps started seeing her ticket to that life in CD and also in what she thought was life insurance money. She was missing for up to 2 months and then my went back to Arizona/Houston, trying to then patch things up with CV. During at least part of that time missing she was on Kauai with just TR, telling a friend she had visions CV would be dying soon. Perhaps the plan was for him to be killed by AC during this time. When that didn’t happen, she went back to AZ and eventually “patch things up” with her husband~but what if she was just drawing him in again to get that life insurance money and set up a chance for him to die.

She and AC did something with the kids after she moved to Idaho. Perhaps AC was beginning to threaten her with telling truths and that’s why he’s dead too.

Something felt strange in the courtroom yesterday with CD not being there. At first I just assumed he had left early or was held up in something else and couldn’t make it. But her exchange with her attorney at the end seemed more of a realization on her part that CD had perhaps come to realize some truths and his walls are crumbling down to his part in it. And as someone pointed out~her demeanor when the prosecuting attorney mentioned the Hawaii plans were made before her husbands death and before TD’s death. It was then maybe she knew CD knew that fact as well.

Believe me...I haven’t believed people who have claimed CD’s hands were clean...and I still think his hands are a bit dirty with going along with covering up where the kids are. But perhaps he did think they were “in hiding”. Please poke holes in this theory...I have no problem being wrong about this~and maybe I’m missing something glaringly obvious. I just think perhaps we may be surprised with some of the details as they come out.
I can't go there with you..yet. What is so key to me, is when did they actually start their relationship. We can see how manipulative Lori is, and I know I have seen somewhere (I think here on this site, but getting confused) that Chad was very strong willed--controls over Tammy etc. I think they "were a match made in Heav---er---Hell"
 
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Yes, I had to prove residency also for our PO BOX.
However, LVD has a HAWAIIN Drivers License, so she probably had one for Sugar City ID also, or had AC obtain one.

:eek: Oh, I hadn't considered that... Do we think Alex had connections to get fake ID's made?

I've been assuming she did it through some legal loophole. A while back I asked if anyone knew where Lori and Joseph Ryan got married. Their 2001 wedding photo looks like Hawaii to me. People dismissed it as not too important, but I think it's possible she lived in Hawaii at one point while married to Joseph Ryan (or at least while she still had the Ryan surname). Could she have kept renewing a "Lori Ryan" Hawaii license from around 2001 or 2006 before she married Charles?
 
Oh, and I just figured out the probable WHY the PO Box was from Sugar City and not Rexburg. It IS as I thought, and the prices were very different, meaning Rexburg's boxes are much more in demand. (This is the exact same circumstances as in my hometown region.)

Rental is offered in 3/6/12 month increments. Rexburg prices, for a size 1 box, are $30/53/106. Sugar City prices are $16/28/56.

A mere 3 miles away, at almost half the price.

Oh... and you can rent the box online, initially. You don't show ID and drop off the form til you pick up the keys, which you have to do within 30 days of the box reservation.
 
Oh agree, and the fact that she most likely only got a few thousand (at most) makes it worse, if that is possible. I feel like she was probably nickel and diming every single thing she could possibly get a few bucks from.
And this just always makes me get bogged down---> Chad never really had money, Lori DOES appear to have to be pinching pennies. Why oh Why did they go for such a high lifestyle in Kauai?? They found out before going to Kauai that they weren't getting Charles' money. Pretty sure they knew that they were only getting the 400+K off Tammy's death. Still makes one think there is big money in the background?? That was always my suspicion in the beginning, and though have veered off that thought, it does come back to haunt my mind.
 
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:eek: Oh, I hadn't considered that... Do we think Alex had connections to get fake ID's made?

I've been assuming she did it through some legal loophole. A while back I asked if anyone knew where Lori and Joseph Ryan got married. Their 2001 wedding photo looks like Hawaii to me. People dismissed it as not too important, but I think it's possible she lived in Hawaii at one point while married to Joseph Ryan (or at least while she still had the Ryan surname). Could she have kept renewing a "Lori Ryan" Hawaii license from around 2001 or 2006 before she married Charles?
hmmm.. that one is hard to consider. I think Joe's sister (or someone did) alluded to her leaving Joe because he didn't make enough money, and Charles really appeared to be better at providing money that she was eager to find.... I just don't see her being that conniving back then. But then as we say, nothing should surprise us.
 
Can someone refresh my memory....was Tammy Daybell cremated?
 
Thanks, but that wasn't my post. Someone else must have posted that theory. :)
I do think Chad was probably busy getting ready to leave Kauai. No doubt, Lori's lawyer might have prepared them for the possibility that she wouldn't get her bail reduced. He had the waiver of extradition form ready and presented it immediately after the judge ruled on bail staying at $5 Million. I do wonder where Chad is now... I hope he is arrogant enough to continue to stand by Lori and proclaim his innocence in this whole mess. If he plans to do that, then he will head back to Idaho to try to bail her out there and attend all her hearings. If he plans to cut his losses and go on the run, then we could be looking at quite a roller coaster of a ride still to come. MOO.

It was me. We get mixed up sometimes. Lol.
 
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