IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #103

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  1. Tiger Stripes

    Tiger Stripes Well-Known Member

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    BBM; snipped for brevity by me

    Love your term "mush mash", @Cutiekitty! I intend to borrow it from time to time, if I may! (Also tend to agree w/your view on the whole sketch(es) business.) MOO

    p. s. Thinking something about one of the sketches was, well, "sketchy" business... (But that's just "me", though.)
     
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  2. MistyWaters

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    I posted this earlier but the thread was rolling quite quickly. Going by one of GHs video with information provided by BP, this secondary access right near Gerard Nature Park was also were the girls were dropped off.

    High Bridge access changes, parking will no longer be allowed off of 300 North
    ARP 4, 2017
    “An entrance to the Monon High Bridge Trail area in Carroll County has been barred to keep the public out, and people will now have to walk twice as far to explore the area.

    A carved wooden sign that was on County Road 300 North, on private property that was owned by the late Sherry Mears, has been taken down and the parking area that was there has been barred to keep people from parking there.....

    .....Mears’ grandson and his family will be moving into the home his grandfather lived in for more than 50 years, and he expressed concerns about safety and people parking there at all hours, Corson and McCain said.

    His concern was there was activity there day and night, even when you wouldn’t think there should be,” McCain said.
     
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  3. sumzero

    sumzero On Time Out

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    Doug Carter keeps saying they need that one tip "to identify this person." He's convinced someone knows who it is. It seems apparent that LE does NOT know who it is. But what if, in fact, there is no one out there with this information? If no one has come forward to ID him in 27 months, maybe it's because there is no one.
     
  4. MuddyTires

    MuddyTires Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.
     
  5. MsBetsy

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    Well the last time I went was during the day and I guess there just happened to be two police cars there. It's not that LE would necessarily check during the day, but the risk involved on the part of the person parking their car for any length of time. It's a place where one could be seen by others, and I wouldn't think the perp would risk that, especially if parking is only allowed for people visiting.
    There are always people coming and going, at any given time, so why take the risk?
    I just think this guy made every effort to avoid being seen. At least at an abandoned building there are not usually people parked there, and it was along the road so drivers would be less likely to notice the car. Imo
     
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  6. Krwiley60

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    It makes me wonder if the witness came back in with more information.
     
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  7. MistyWaters

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    Well over 1,100 people is an incredibly large number who have been “talked to” in just over two years. I’m not even sure what talking proves. But not everyone is going to have a verifiable alibi even if they’re innocent, if LE’s approach is “prove to us what you were doing on Feb 13/17 and if you can’t you must be guilty”. I just don’t think that would accomplish much of anything.

    "We have talked to well over 1,100 people. That includes persons of interest, that includes anybody and everybody that's involved in this case. If their name has been turned in, we've talked or attempted to talk to 99.9 percent of them."...”
    Delphi murders: What we still don't know two years after the slayings of 2 teenagers
     
  8. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    The odds are that someone knows something, but you’re right, there’s no guarantee that is the case.

    This guy, like all killers, will exhibit concerning behavior.

    Sometimes people put the pieces together, and sometimes they don’t.

    It’s not like in the movies where a predator dons a perfect facade. That doesn’t happen.

    But context is important, and sometimes this behavior doesn’t present itself in a way where a member of the public is able to put two and two together.

    There’s always other ways to catch him though.
     
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    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    Yeah, there's a big difference between the phrases "to identify" BG and "to locate"or "to arrest." When they use "identify" it says to me that they don't know who it is.

    There are a few things going on with this: either someone has turned him in and the tip got buried, someone turned him in and the tip was followed through on but his alibi (or something) was just too good, someone's recognized him but they've talked themselves out of it being BG, LE thinks they know who it is but they don't have enough probable cause to arrest, or nobody's recognized him at all.

    I don't think LE knows who it is other than having a vague idea of what kind of person he is.
     
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  10. Cutiekitty

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    Take it (mush mash) - it’s yours
     
  11. sumzero

    sumzero On Time Out

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    I think he has some history there, definitely, but it could be years ago. I don't think he's someone with a high-profile position in town. He'd be taking quite a chance that someone would cross his path or catch a glimpse of him and recognize him on sight. But who knows? We might find out he took some ridiculous chances and lucked out. Like JP in the Closs case.
     
  12. MsBetsy

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    I don't either, I was just wondering if you knew if they made regular rounds at that particular cemetary.
     
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  13. MistyWaters

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    No, LE have never stated anybody saw this person on the trail. But at one time they did say everyone on the trail had came forward except the suspect.

    IIRC nobody has ever said they saw Abby or Libby after they were dropped off either.
     
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    Thank you mtnlites. I never meant to even remotely imply any bias to any religion or even to religion in general. I also feel that the parents - or whomever may have even an inkling that he is the killer - may not even necessarily be consciously denying that their son/loved one could be a killer. The mind is a powerful thing and it can sometimes work in ways to protect us from what we cannot bear at a particular time.
     
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    Oh for sure - I completely agree that there are parents that have blinders on and overestimate abilities. It was the quotes around amazing calling and what appeared to me to be a thinly veiled reference to one particular individual and family that was the basis for my comment. And while the opinion sounds (or really reads) to me like it came from such a bias, the OP has flatly rejected that it did.
     
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    I think they implied that the car was there at some point between those hours, but not necessarily for the entire time. But it makes quite a difference, doesn't it?
     
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    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    Yeah, I get it. We usually associate a "calling" to be in a religious sense. But some days I'm pretty convinced that my calling is really to sit around all day and sample Ben & Jerry's. ;)
     
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  18. MistyWaters

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    Yes it sure might. But I’m thinking the driver of the car who LE “also” wanted information about isn’t necessarily connected to the murderer. It might’ve been someone who had earlier provided information, who LE wanted to speak with again but wasn’t successful in contacting.

    Oddly, they’ve since dropped any mention of the car, driver or parking lot, including in their continued appeal for tips on the identification of the suspect.
     
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    For anyone local, is that bridge well known around town? I’ve read numerous opinions elsewhere. Was (or is) it a common place for people to hang out at? Obviously, probably not anymore considering this case.
     
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    I think my calling is to play with cats and horses all day. I just wish I had someone that would fund me for this!
     
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