Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams & Liberty (Libby) German - The Delphi Murders - #150 *ARREST*

[NoSpoonFeeding]

How'd the FBI tech geeks get that so wrong in the beginning? The info from the start until what, last year, had him approximately 5" taller? That's a substantial difference.

One of the first bulletins said 5'6", there was lots of chatter about him being so short, it seemed people didn't want to accept that.

 

[gitana1]

I wouldn’t be surprised if more, very serious charges come against others soon …. but in addition to similar charges vs RMA, not in place of them!

It seems clear IMO:
- they have RMA nailed via evidence

- there’s no a_s connection to the crime that doesn’t run thru KAK
jmo

I have a feeling there will be no serious connection. I don’t see this as a group endeavor. But I know I could be wrong.

 

[Marysmith]

I have a feeling there will be no serious connection. I don’t see this as a group endeavor. But I know I could be wrong.

I agreed. I feel he acted alone and everything else is a strange coincidence. But of course I could be wrong as well.

 

[CSIDreamer]

One of the first bulletins said 5'6", there was lots of chatter about him being so short, it seemed people didn't want to accept that.

I think we all envisioned a clean shaven Bigfoot, considering how awful this was. It's a bit hard, I'm guessing, for decent people to consider a somewhat normal physique to be a part of nightmare material. JMO

 

[Jillyg]

That all makes sense. I can’t say he’s a serial killer but it still defies logic to me that he’s committed no serious crimes before this. (Rape, molestation, etc.). The reason I say that is because there were two, adolescent victims that he stalked and took and killed in a public place. I feel like that would take a lot of confidence.

But it could be a one off.

Yep. Very much could be his first killing but not his first offense, as killings of this type generally are a graduated process from smaller offenses.
Which I think is your whole point here. I agree!

 

[MistyWaters]

Well my point was (and it probably got lost in all my chatter) that it's surprising they didn't announce him as SHORT to the public. That's an outlying description that they could've been sure enough of to put it out to the public as a possible identifier. They do this all the time. It's a missed opportunity for help from the public. Nothing at all to do with narrowing down a perp. It certainly would've been more helpful than a 3 second audio clip that sounds like every man in a 10 mile radius.

LE is unlikely to outrightly describe a suspect as either short or fat but that’s what this description has eluded to IMO. We also don’t know how long LE had RMA on their radar but he probably didn’t rise to the top just yesterday.

Delphi murders: What we know about the case

There still have still been no arrests in the Delphi killings of 2017. Here's what we know about the case.

www.indystar.com

FBI description: The FBI said the suspected killer is a white man who weighs between 180 and 200 pounds. He stands between 5 feet, 6 inches tall and 5 feet, 8 inches tall, and was wearing blue jeans, a blue jacket or coat and a hoodie.

 

[MassGuy]

That all makes sense. I can’t say he’s a serial killer but it still defies logic to me that he’s committed no serious crimes before this. (Rape, molestation, etc.). The reason I say that is because there were two, adolescent victims that he stalked and took and killed in a public place. I feel like that would take a lot of confidence.

But it could be a one off.

I've always thought that he profiled as a serial killer, despite not meeting the definition. I do think these were his first and only murders, and that he's an extreme outlier.

The crime itself just felt sexually motivated, and law enforcement communicated in the same way they'd communicate with a serial killer.

I said yesterday that I was rattled by the fact that he had no serious criminal record, as guys who do this always seem to build up to it.

Yes, people commit crimes without being caught, but I can't think of a guy his age doing something like this, and not having been busted for something in the past.

What sexually motivated killer has ever started killing in his mid 40s, and has no history of sex crimes?

I've never seen it.

ETA: As others have pointed out, Canadian killer Russ Williams began killing when he was even older. He did exhibit the standard escalation behavior, but had not been caught for it.

 

[LaborDayRN]

So how long will this take to go to trial if there is one?

Are we looking at 6 months or a few years?

I wouldn't expect it to be soon. Covid cause a huge backlog in cases nation wide.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Im going to wait before jumping all in on the new suspect, they've been wrong about 3-4 other suspects so far.

Id like to hear what they have on him

I'm thinking they got a DNA hit imo. Really it's the only logical way I can come with that there is such confidence that they got him. Five long years for Libby,and Abby's family, and friends. Hope this closes that chapter for them,and they get a brand new Justice chapter.

 

[Marysmith]

I've always thought that he profiled as a serial killer, despite not meeting the definition. I do think these were his first and only murders, and that he's an extreme outlier.

The crime itself just felt sexually motivated, and law enforcement communicated in the same way they'd communicate with a serial killer.

I said yesterday that I was rattled by the fact that he had no serious criminal record, as guys who do this always seem to build up to it.

Yes, people commit crimes without being caught, but I can't think of a guy his age doing something like this, and not having been busted for something in the past.

What sexually motivated killer has ever started killing in his mid 40s, and has no history of sex crimes?

I've never seen it.

Russell Williams - Russell Williams (criminal) - Wikipedia

 

[diggndeeperstill]

The family knew this guy was out there though, and law enforcement has been consistent in saying that they thought he was from the community, and was likely still living in that community.

They themselves were almost certainly not at risk, as that's just not how sexually motivated child killers operate (assuming that's true).

The risk however, would apply to females, probably around the age of the girls. Fortunately, it doesn't appear this guy ever struck again.

Just picking your brain on this as I haven't researched what is typical. I have always had the assumption of escalation. Would this indeed have been the first crime of this nature if RA is responsible? Or would you expect a build-up to this?

They absolutely need some time with him before going public.
I am very critical of those in my own field (as we all are I imagine) and although I'm a fierce defender of LE, I know so many weaknesses in the system too. Drives me bonkers.

HOWEVER, this is a no brainer move for them.

They can gleen info from him that they wont be able to after the presser. Why arrest him, give a presser and THEN interview him? Some of the info he gives may be pertinent to a thorough press conference. The public can wait 2 more days.
Interviewing him (AND his close contacts) is a huge huge part of the investigation. Chances are highly likely that a presser given before those interviews and one given after could look like 2 very different things, depending on what they learn.

They also have to very careful what they say publicly from here on out. It's very important they have a lot of their ducks in a row before the presser.

I am curious about what interviewing his close contacts might look like? I think it is ok to ask that as long as I am not discussing contacts or family directly. Would we expect them to be conducting long interviews and further search warrants? i.e. all computers, phones, etc?

 

[not.a.muggle]

If anyone finds any links to the press conference on Monday can you please post them so as many of us as possible can watch it. This will be very much appreciated. The press conference is at 10am EST on Monday.

jconline.com will have it

'Today is the day': Update to Delphi murders of Libby and Abby announced by ISP

Indiana State Police plan a Monday morning news conference in Delphi to update the investigation into who killed Libby German and Abby Williams.

www.jconline.com

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I've always thought that he profiled as a serial killer, despite not meeting the definition. I do think these were his first and only murders, and that he's an extreme outlier.

The crime itself just felt sexually motivated, and law enforcement communicated in the same way they'd communicate with a serial killer.

I said yesterday that I was rattled by the fact that he had no serious criminal record, as guys who do this always seem to build up to it.

Yes, people commit crimes without being caught, but I can't think of a guy his age doing something like this, and not having been busted for something in the past.

What sexually motivated killer has ever started killing in his mid 40s, and has no history of sex crimes?

I've never seen it.

Ignore my post above, you answered w/ this as I was posting.

 

[lgh0309]

I wouldn't expect it to be soon. Covid cause a huge backlog in cases nation wide.

plus imagine how long it will take the defense to go through five years of investigative material. i would think a lot of it even if irrelevant to the state’s case in chief will be disclosed out of an abundance of caution

 

[otto]

I've always thought that he profiled as a serial killer, despite not meeting the definition. I do think these were his first and only murders, and that he's an extreme outlier.

The crime itself just felt sexually motivated, and law enforcement communicated in the same way they'd communicate with a serial killer.

I said yesterday that I was rattled by the fact that he had no serious criminal record, as guys who do this always seem to build up to it.

Yes, people commit crimes without being caught, but I can't think of a guy his age doing something like this, and not having been busted for something in the past.

What sexually motivated killer has ever started killing in his mid 40s, and has no history of sex crimes?

I've never seen it.

Russell Williams was roughly 50 when he was arrested for the first time. By then, he had numerous victims and 3 murders. It's uncertain whether he started peeping in his 40s or earlier.

 

[MassGuy]

Russell Williams - Russell Williams (criminal) - Wikipedia

I totally forgot about him, and he's a solid example. He started killing when he was almost a decade older than Allen.

 

[MsBetsy]

One of the first bulletins said 5'6", there was lots of chatter about him being so short, it seemed people didn't want to accept that.

Yes, police asked the FBI to remove the info about height and weight because they didn't want to discourage people who might think a suspect didn't meet the description.

 

[tokyorose]

I've always thought that he profiled as a serial killer, despite not meeting the definition. I do think these were his first and only murders, and that he's an extreme outlier.

The crime itself just felt sexually motivated, and law enforcement communicated in the same way they'd communicate with a serial killer.

I said yesterday that I was rattled by the fact that he had no serious criminal record, as guys who do this always seem to build up to it.

Yes, people commit crimes without being caught, but I can't think of a guy his age doing something like this, and not having been busted for something in the past.

What sexually motivated killer has ever started killing in his mid 40s, and has no history of sex crimes?

I've never seen it.

Could this be because of the relatively new wide availability of pornograpy. You develop a habit which becomes more perverse over time, progresses to children and then the need to act out the fantasy.

 

[IceIce9]

I would like to know what was found in the Wabash River search.

 

[MistyWaters]

That all makes sense. I can’t say he’s a serial killer but it still defies logic to me that he’s committed no serious crimes before this. (Rape, molestation, etc.). The reason I say that is because there were two, adolescent victims that he stalked and took and killed in a public place. I feel like that would take a lot of confidence.

But it could be a one off.

Yes just thinking back how it was often speculated here that some sort of personal traumatic incident occurred around the time that set off the killer. Now a suspect has been identified who from all outward appearances is just plain ordinary - gainfully employed, husband, father - and he’s not the “creepy guy” many would’ve expected. We still know next to nothing of his background, just his name and a few pics, so we’re missing more than a few pieces to the puzzle. But it certainly could have been a one off depending where his life was at the time, which by no means excuses his despicable deed. JMO