Lies point us to the truth #2

[proust20]

It's true that missing details of the case prevent the truth to be known about it. But in the aftermath of the events of Christmas, none of the three Rs may have grasped all the details at that time. Whoever the killer, he/she would have to confess to the other two. As they had just murdered a family member, a sanitized, self-forgiving version might be offered, e.g. blame the victim. ("She was always flaunting herself.") It's in keeping with the demeanor of the Rs on the 26th, that the killer coolly related his tale to the others. They all may have been lying to each other at first. Perhaps later too? Also, the killer may have had limited knowledge of the staging.

During the hang-up call, a curious Burke asks- "What did you find?". John refuses an answer. Then, BR must return to his bed before BPD arrive. (But why Dad? - would be likely) This would have entailed instructions from JR as to how to dissemble. On the way back upstairs, he imparted some info to impress upon his son the gravity of their situation as a family?

SS answering the Rs' door on the 23rd and dismissing BPD has her acting suddenly as a surrogate for Patsy & John. How did she become the reliable source concerning the 911 of that evening? If '911' had been misdialed, the person using the phone would dial the correct number afterwards. Then, they'd notify one of their hosts about the error, and not guest SS. So, an R had to assign her the role of gate-keeper, while telling her why the Rs didn't want to open the door themselves. The plot thickens! Was SS present while the mistaken call was placed? How else could she attest to it? The Rs knew that the 911 would require a response from LE. There ain't nothin' to see here was accepted by them. Notably, the police were not invited into the Holiday party. GOPer John should have gone out of his way to be hospitable with first responders, given his simmering political ambitions. Just not a Law & Order candidate, I guess.

If BR rode the bike across the lawn, wouldn't that be in the record? It's said that JonBenet rode hers in the afternoon around the brick patio.

Is there a connection between the bikes and the torn packages? In the couple of photos that I've seen, the wrappings look like they were torn by hand, and not with a knife. But maybe? However, with all the activities in the basement that night, why leave the knife there? There are various possible explanations. - Of, course.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

During the hang-up call, a curious Burke asks- "What did you find?". John refuses an answer. Then, BR must return to his bed before BPD arrive. (But why Dad? - would be likely) This would have entailed instructions from JR as to how to dissemble. On the way back upstairs, he imparted some info to impress upon his son the gravity of their situation as a family?

proust20,

JR did state, right before you hear BR, “We’re not talking to you”. In a commanding (stern) voice. To which BR replies, “What did you find”? Did you find JB?

SS answering the Rs' door on the 23rd and dismissing BPD has her acting suddenly as a surrogate for Patsy & John. How did she become the reliable source concerning the 911 of that evening? If '911' had been misdialed, the person using the phone would dial the correct number afterwards. Then, they'd notify one of their hosts about the error, and not guest SS. So, an R had to assign her the role of gate-keeper, while telling her why the Rs didn't want to open the door themselves. The plot thickens! Was SS present while the mistaken call was placed? How else could she attest to it? The Rs knew that the 911 would require a response from LE. There ain't nothin' to see here was accepted by them. Notably, the police were not invited into the Holiday party. GOPer John should have gone out of his way to be hospitable with first responders, given his simmering political ambitions. Just not a Law & Order candidate, I guess.

Screaming “coverup”! Is this info. Privy. Or was it a simple dismissal “Oh, one of the kids was acting out. Nothing going on” to SS; as a directive?

If BR rode the bike across the lawn, wouldn't that be in the record? It's said that JonBenet rode hers in the afternoon around the brick patio.

I always understood her as riding her bike on the landing pad of the garage. It is a very small area. It could have included the back courtyard. When I did my drive by of the home … I couldn’t see in the backyard. There was a tall gate and fence. The front and back are so very, very small. You Would never know this by examining photos.

Is there a connection between the bikes and the torn packages? In the couple of photos that I've seen, the wrappings look like they were torn by hand, and not with a knife. But maybe? However, with all the activities in the basement that night, why leave the knife there? There are various possible explanations. - Of, course.

I can think of one: Burke’s knowledge that somebody took out a knife.

 

[UKGuy]

It's true that missing details of the case prevent the truth to be known about it. But in the aftermath of the events of Christmas, none of the three Rs may have grasped all the details at that time. Whoever the killer, he/she would have to confess to the other two. As they had just murdered a family member, a sanitized, self-forgiving version might be offered, e.g. blame the victim. ("She was always flaunting herself.") It's in keeping with the demeanor of the Rs on the 26th, that the killer coolly related his tale to the others. They all may have been lying to each other at first. Perhaps later too? Also, the killer may have had limited knowledge of the staging.

During the hang-up call, a curious Burke asks- "What did you find?". John refuses an answer. Then, BR must return to his bed before BPD arrive. (But why Dad? - would be likely) This would have entailed instructions from JR as to how to dissemble. On the way back upstairs, he imparted some info to impress upon his son the gravity of their situation as a family?

SS answering the Rs' door on the 23rd and dismissing BPD has her acting suddenly as a surrogate for Patsy & John. How did she become the reliable source concerning the 911 of that evening? If '911' had been misdialed, the person using the phone would dial the correct number afterwards. Then, they'd notify one of their hosts about the error, and not guest SS. So, an R had to assign her the role of gate-keeper, while telling her why the Rs didn't want to open the door themselves. The plot thickens! Was SS present while the mistaken call was placed? How else could she attest to it? The Rs knew that the 911 would require a response from LE. There ain't nothin' to see here was accepted by them. Notably, the police were not invited into the Holiday party. GOPer John should have gone out of his way to be hospitable with first responders, given his simmering political ambitions. Just not a Law & Order candidate, I guess.

If BR rode the bike across the lawn, wouldn't that be in the record? It's said that JonBenet rode hers in the afternoon around the brick patio.

Is there a connection between the bikes and the torn packages? In the couple of photos that I've seen, the wrappings look like they were torn by hand, and not with a knife. But maybe? However, with all the activities in the basement that night, why leave the knife there? There are various possible explanations. - Of, course.

proust20,

It's true that missing details of the case prevent the truth to be known about it. But in the aftermath of the events of Christmas, none of the three Rs may have grasped all the details at that time.

One R did grasp all the details as this person sexually assaulted JonBenet!

Then, BR must return to his bed before BPD arrive. (But why Dad? - would be likely)

If the case is NOT BDI then BR would not know much about what was transpiring. Once JR told him to go to bed and fake being asleep, All Night, BR has to know something bad is going on?

Patently, assuming the above scenario, BR would NOT know any of the details surrounding JonBenet's death.

Yet he did and excepting a few slipups, e.g. JonBenet walking into the house etc, he also knew what to avoid saying.

SS answering the Rs' door on the 23rd is all about a coverup whilst PR and JR deal with what really took place.

Take a look at the guest list and ask were there any male invitees who JonBenet had interacted with before?

I reckon JonBenet was tired of the ongoing abuse, with the incident on the 23rd interrupting what might have become a regular routine, it was planned to resume once the Christmas vacation was underway?

Yet it all went tragically wrong ending in JonBenet's death!

If you think about it, SS is really dealing with the same issues prior to Christmas night and after when the R's move in.

The Stines do not get a call over as the R's do not want them interviewed.

Later a version of events can be recalled at their leisure.

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[proust20]

Even if it were staging, the final SA betrays at least knowledge of what had been happening to JonBenet. Although this is a revealing detail, it is a conundrum whether the abuser is also the killer. The bizarre use of the paintbrush to inflict two crimes is either rash, or meant as a frame? The killer may have meant to frame the abuser. This forms a motive of jealousy.

Any misadventure involving JB on the 23rd need not be limited to her interaction with adults. Although the SA was chronic, the autopsy suggests that a mature male may not have been responsible. Not only did neither R answer the door after the 911, but the person who misdialed did not as well. Considering the Rs' socio-economic group in 1996 Boulder, it's possible that there were drugs at the party? This could explain why the police were not asked in. SS claimed to be the last person to see the family intact as they drove away. Preventing entry and overseeing the exit fulfills her role of gate-keeper. For some reason, she was denied this part on the 26th, as Patsy invited all her friends to pass through the door, except the Stines.

The RN was completed long before "What did you find?" JB's body had to be discovered by 5am. That jibes with the hour at which the parents said that they arose. But then, that would leave a very limited period in which to stage and to write the RN, while making certain that all was set before making the 911 at the last plausible moment, as the 7am flight loomed. When did the Rs' search begin?

Burke's query indicates that he was aware that a search had taken place. He asks for the result of it. If culpable, should he need to ask at this late place in the timeline? BPD was on the way already. The size 12s and long johns do point to him. However, JB was wiped after being redressed. In addition, the staging includes much more than the redressing. Was BR wry enough to ask this question to which he already knew the answer? But he'd have to have known where the white blanket was, if he did all the staging.

Burke's stubborn refusal to recognize the bowl of pineapple in the second mandated interview demonstrates how well he takes coaching. This defiance of reality is also characteristic of his mother. "I heard her going psycho."

 

[UKGuy]

Even if it were staging, the final SA betrays at least knowledge of what had been happening to JonBenet. Although this is a revealing detail, it is a conundrum whether the abuser is also the killer. The bizarre use of the paintbrush to inflict two crimes is either rash, or meant as a frame? The killer may have meant to frame the abuser. This forms a motive of jealousy.

Any misadventure involving JB on the 23rd need not be limited to her interaction with adults. Although the SA was chronic, the autopsy suggests that a mature male may not have been responsible. Not only did neither R answer the door after the 911, but the person who misdialed did not as well. Considering the Rs' socio-economic group in 1996 Boulder, it's possible that there were drugs at the party? This could explain why the police were not asked in. SS claimed to be the last person to see the family intact as they drove away. Preventing entry and overseeing the exit fulfills her role of gate-keeper. For some reason, she was denied this part on the 26th, as Patsy invited all her friends to pass through the door, except the Stines.

The RN was completed long before "What did you find?" JB's body had to be discovered by 5am. That jibes with the hour at which the parents said that they arose. But then, that would leave a very limited period in which to stage and to write the RN, while making certain that all was set before making the 911 at the last plausible moment, as the 7am flight loomed. When did the Rs' search begin?

Burke's query indicates that he was aware that a search had taken place. He asks for the result of it. If culpable, should he need to ask at this late place in the timeline? BPD was on the way already. The size 12s and long johns do point to him. However, JB was wiped after being redressed. In addition, the staging includes much more than the redressing. Was BR wry enough to ask this question to which he already knew the answer? But he'd have to have known where the white blanket was, if he did all the staging.

Burke's stubborn refusal to recognize the bowl of pineapple in the second mandated interview demonstrates how well he takes coaching. This defiance of reality is also characteristic of his mother. "I heard her going psycho."

proust20,

Even if it were staging, the final SA betrays at least knowledge of what had been happening to JonBenet. Although this is a revealing detail, it is a conundrum whether the abuser is also the killer. The bizarre use of the paintbrush to inflict two crimes is either rash, or meant as a frame? The killer may have meant to frame the abuser. This forms a motive of jealousy.

The abuser can be the killer. A little thought should reveal all three Ramsey's were, at various stages, involved in staging JonBenet's crime-scene?

It's likely the parents took turns in tweaking the wine-cellar staging which was simply a continuation from the initial staging.

The paintbrush employed as an actual instrument used to sexually assault JonBenet or to stage away an initial assault, still means JonBenet was sexually assaulted.

Any misadventure involving JB on the 23rd need not be limited to her interaction with adults. Although the SA was chronic, the autopsy suggests that a mature male may not have been responsible.

This quite likely. Raising an aspect little discussed, the intimate forensic evidence. A mature male would leave his touch-dna on JonBenet along with visible skin discoloration.
Which can really only be checked by viewing the relevant autopsy photographs, which are sealed.

You do not need to be Rocket Scientist to work out why SS became the preferred door keeper, or why the Ramsey's never called them over.

They wanted minimal connection to be made so that the common thread running between the Stines and the Ramsey's could be obscured.

Burke's query indicates that he was aware that a search had taken place.

How would he know that if he was asleep all night?

However, JB was wiped after being redressed. In addition, the staging includes much more than the redressing.

Which Coroner Meyer confirms with his statement on the mismatched bloodstains on the size-12's and JonBenet.

If the case is BDI then the parents were likely tweaking an evidently childish attempt at staging. e.g. Patsy adding the garrote, and embedding fibers from her sweater into the knotting along with John wiping JonBenet down as fibers from his Israeli manufactured shirt were found on JonBenet's thighs.

If the case were NOT BDI then BR would have behaved like other children and offered answers that simply reflected his ignorance.

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[UKGuy]

UKGuy,
One knife was taking into evidence. We can’t proceed e.g. public without that knowledge. I believe it was the smaller of the two.

I agree, someone else could have discovered the knife. How did BR know someone took JB quietly down to the basement with a knife?

Yes, BR other knife probably remained in his bedroom.



It is definitely a possibility these details could point us to the truth. BR was 9 years old. There is really no logical explanation why he knew so much about the crime. BlueCrab posted about this very topic.

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Details About Burke's 1/8/97 Interview​

Rain on my Parade,

It is definitely a possibility these details could point us to the truth. BR was 9 years old. There is really no logical explanation why he knew so much about the crime. BlueCrab posted about this very topic.

I reckon another person who quite likely knew some details, assuming BlueCrab's theory is relevant, was SS.

This would be why she was listening in on BR and DS discussing HOW JonBenet was killed.

She was possibly concerned that DS being primed with postmortem details might affect his status in the case if he was ever questioned independently, repeating some of BR's claims?

If DS had been present when JonBenet was assaulted then BR's account of the details would be redundant.

So DS could have been witness to other events the optics of which might not look good for either family, hence the buddying up?

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[Rain on my Parade]

She was possibly concerned that DS being primed with postmortem details might affect his status in the case if he was ever questioned independently, repeating some of BR's claims?

UKGuy,
I wonder why she confessed to an outsider if this was the case?

If DS had been present when JonBenet was assaulted then BR's account of the details would be redundant.

Perhaps they started the strangulation but didn’t finish it?

So DS could have been witness to other events the optics of which might not look good for either family, hence the buddying up?

As in, someone took JB quietly down to the basement, took out a knife and hit her over the head?

 

[Eddie99]

Is it possible, after 133 pages debating the significance of the underwear....

That they could have simply opened the wrong package?

 

[proust20]

"What did you find?" is relevant to the timeline. Burke is asking for the conclusion of a recent search by his parents of which he is aware, but in which he did not participate. This question is concurrent with the 911. The police are coming. Why should BR still lack essential knowledge of the CS, if he were the perp? Why ask that late if he knew already what they'd discover? It's easy to assume that the parents were looking in the basement, but maybe not.

Patsy and John claim to have arisen at 5am, leaving less than an hour before the 911. This is askew. The writing of the RN plus the gap between head blow and asphyxiation amounts to more than an hour. The search in question would have to start before 5am. BR may never have gone to sleep. If so, it does not seem logical that he should still be inquisitive, as events would have been unfolding all night around him.

The staging was time consuming, especially if done variously. The parents could have tried to adapt around BR's weird, initial efforts. But why leave her in the long johns? If the idea were to eliminate traces of their son, these should have been removed as an obvious link to him. So many manoeuvres around Burke, yet this obvious move was missed? This oversight becomes more salient if the use of the paintbrush were an attempt by PR to deflect attention onto herself, and away from Burke. If the garrote is staging, then JonBenet was strangled in some other manner. In turn, this renders the sequencing of the head blow more ambiguous.

BR's revisions are numerous, and deliberately confusing. Team R now admits that he was present during the hang-up call, and that he pretended to be asleep when BPD came. (Did FW know Burke pretended?) This tosses out his account of being in bed and hearing Mom going psycho downstairs, or at least doing that at the time which he indicated. His being awake after a kidnapping from his own home would not have aroused suspicion, which lying about it did. Why this deception took place is unclear, according to the Rs' narrative. Just as is his new confession of going back downstairs for a toy. When was that? Which toy? The one with which John had been helping him earlier? "I just go beep-beep." The pineapple snack was around midnight, about two hours after everyone was supposed to be asleep. The wrong spoon for the tea suggests BR took charge.

If no one, or only some, were asleep, it does raise the possibility that the attack(s) were witnessed? DS may figure into this particular scenario. But how not into the pineapple snack as well? TOD is about two hours after it. DS would have to remained inside the house to at least 2am. And ridden home in the dark. It is unknown what prompted the GJ to return indictments against each parent for endangering their daughter.


The behavior of Burke and DS in the cemetery shows the lack of decorum which Patsy and John found acceptable. And in the midst of a media circus.

 

[Nehemiah]

Rain on my Parade,

I reckon another person who quite likely knew some details, assuming BlueCrab's theory is relevant, was SS.

This would be why she was listening in on BR and DS discussing HOW JonBenet was killed.

She was possibly concerned that DS being primed with postmortem details might affect his status in the case if he was ever questioned independently, repeating some of BR's claims?

If DS had been present when JonBenet was assaulted then BR's account of the details would be redundant.

So DS could have been witness to other events the optics of which might not look good for either family, hence the buddying up?

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UKGuy,
Don't you miss BlueCrab and all his "knowledge"? Back in the day, he was laughed at for his theories. Today, his main theory is the main theory. I wish he were still around to discuss.

 

[proust20]

Correction: The wrong spoon was not for the glass.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

"What did you find?" is relevant to the timeline. Burke is asking for the conclusion of a recent search by his parents of which he is aware, but in which he did not participate. This question is concurrent with the 911. The police are coming. Why should BR still lack essential knowledge of the CS, if he were the perp? Why ask that late if he knew already what they'd discover? It's easy to assume that the parents were looking in the basement, but maybe not.

proust20,
BR may not have realized the consequences of his actions. He was almost 10 years old when the murder occurred.

Patsy and John claim to have arisen at 5am, leaving less than an hour before the 911. This is askew. The writing of the RN plus the gap between head blow and asphyxiation amounts to more than an hour. The search in question would have to start before 5am. BR may never have gone to sleep. If so, it does not seem logical that he should still be inquisitive, as events would have been unfolding all night around him.

This would leave the question of how did the parents find out about the incident? Unless we believe that the parents instigated the crime. Perhaps it was JB scream that got their attention?
When BR stated, “What did you find” is it possible he thought JB just recovered and went to bed? This would make sense, if the parents found JB non responsive and told BR to go to his room.

The staging was time consuming, especially if done variously. The parents could have tried to adapt around BR's weird, initial efforts. But why leave her in the long johns? If the idea were to eliminate traces of their son, these should have been removed as an obvious link to him. So many manoeuvres around Burke, yet this obvious move was missed? This oversight becomes more salient if the use of the paintbrush were an attempt by PR to deflect attention onto herself, and away from Burke. If the garrote is staging, then JonBenet was strangled in some other manner. In turn, this renders the sequencing of the head blow more ambiguous.

I would ask why they left JB in the size 12 underwear. As JR was the one that wiped JB he may not have be concerned about her clothing. JB could been strangled w/the head blow but still alive. This would make sense that we find PR fiber evidence all over the basement crime scene. The garroting may have been the final taking of JB life.

His being awake after a kidnapping from his own home would not have aroused suspicion, which lying about it did. Why this deception took place is unclear, according to the Rs' narrative. Just as is his new confession of going back downstairs for a toy. When was that? Which toy? The one with which John had been helping him earlier?

Yes, why lie? He was probably instructed that he was asleep all night and didn’t hear a thing. BR has stated that he went back downstairs “to knock out his toy” after everyone was in bed. It has been said it was a transformer he was completing With stickers and such.

If no one, or only some, were asleep, it does raise the possibility that the attack(s) were witnessed? DS may figure into this particular scenario. But how not into the pineapple snack as well? TOD is about two hours after it. DS would have to remained inside the house to at least 2am. And ridden home in the dark. It is unknown what prompted the GJ to return indictments against each parent for endangering their daughter.

We do not know if DS participated in the late night snack of pineapple. Remember JB also had fruit cocktail.
As far as the GJ is concerned they were also indicted on aiding and abetting.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

Is it possible, after 133 pages debating the significance of the underwear....

That they could have simply opened the wrong package?

Eddie99,

A package that was not meant for any of the occupants of the home. So, why open it?

 

[UKGuy]

UKGuy,
I wonder why she confessed to an outsider if this was the case?



Perhaps they started the strangulation but didn’t finish it?



As in, someone took JB quietly down to the basement, took out a knife and hit her over the head?

Rain on my Parade,

I wonder why she confessed to an outsider if this was the case?

Because SS wants to claim third-party status, i.e. DS "knows all that detail because BR told him and I overheard most of it anway, i.e. SS"

Perhaps they started the strangulation but didn’t finish it?

Maybe -

As in, someone took JB quietly down to the basement, took out a knife and hit her over the head?

I doubt it, the knife was likely used to cut the ligature cord and/or wrist restraints, the whack on the head could have been delivered anywhere in the house.

There might be link back to the 23rd with a repeat possibly playing out on Christmas Night?

i.e. events on the 23rd were part of a pattern, which the person who assaulted JonBenet expected to continue into the future?

Speculating: BR is not going to stage JonBenet in his room or the breakfast bar. That really leaves the basement or her bedroom.

Obviously it could be both i.e. BR stages JonBenet as assaulted in her bed, and his parents restage her down in the basement?

Redressing JonBenet in the size-12's along with his knife being found down there might suggest BR opted for a basement staging which was tweaked by his parents?

Did BR break the basement window as part of HIS staging?

Later he would claim to be present when JR broke the basement window when they were locked out!

This is an example of JR being given an alibi by BR, with BR knowing why.

Either way both JR and and BR must know who killed JonBenet as minimally one of them is guilty?

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[UKGuy]

UKGuy,
Don't you miss BlueCrab and all his "knowledge"? Back in the day, he was laughed at for his theories. Today, his main theory is the main theory. I wish he were still around to discuss.

Nehemiah,
Sure do. Some say he was privy to inside information. Apparently he was advised to retire from the case?

I reckon he knew more about the Stine-Ramsey link than he let on, as his theory relies on some unknowns which we could speculate about but never really confirm, e.g. Dec 23rd, what really happened?

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[UKGuy]

Is it possible, after 133 pages debating the significance of the underwear....

That they could have simply opened the wrong package?

Eddie99,
JonBenet had a drawer full of underwear, some just recently purchased from Bloomingdales, a pair of which she was likely wearing when she was killed.

Any pair from her underwear drawer would be good enough to replace the bloodstained pair the killer removed.

This is not what happened. Its alleged the size-12's were lying downstairs in the basement apparently gift wrapped, and a pair of them ended up on JonBenet.

So the stager either had a trip down to the basement for the size-12's or JonBenet had been moved there?

Did the stager want to see the word Wednesday on JonBenet's underwear so to match the pair that had just been removed?

Or if as you suggest its all accidental why deliberately rip open this particular gift package and not select ANY pair from her underwear drawer?

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[dgfred]

Good old mom would have never done that part IMO. Now the two guys... not so sure.

 

[UKGuy]

"What did you find?" is relevant to the timeline. Burke is asking for the conclusion of a recent search by his parents of which he is aware, but in which he did not participate. This question is concurrent with the 911. The police are coming. Why should BR still lack essential knowledge of the CS, if he were the perp? Why ask that late if he knew already what they'd discover? It's easy to assume that the parents were looking in the basement, but maybe not.

Patsy and John claim to have arisen at 5am, leaving less than an hour before the 911. This is askew. The writing of the RN plus the gap between head blow and asphyxiation amounts to more than an hour. The search in question would have to start before 5am. BR may never have gone to sleep. If so, it does not seem logical that he should still be inquisitive, as events would have been unfolding all night around him.

The staging was time consuming, especially if done variously. The parents could have tried to adapt around BR's weird, initial efforts. But why leave her in the long johns? If the idea were to eliminate traces of their son, these should have been removed as an obvious link to him. So many manoeuvres around Burke, yet this obvious move was missed? This oversight becomes more salient if the use of the paintbrush were an attempt by PR to deflect attention onto herself, and away from Burke. If the garrote is staging, then JonBenet was strangled in some other manner. In turn, this renders the sequencing of the head blow more ambiguous.

BR's revisions are numerous, and deliberately confusing. Team R now admits that he was present during the hang-up call, and that he pretended to be asleep when BPD came. (Did FW know Burke pretended?) This tosses out his account of being in bed and hearing Mom going psycho downstairs, or at least doing that at the time which he indicated. His being awake after a kidnapping from his own home would not have aroused suspicion, which lying about it did. Why this deception took place is unclear, according to the Rs' narrative. Just as is his new confession of going back downstairs for a toy. When was that? Which toy? The one with which John had been helping him earlier? "I just go beep-beep." The pineapple snack was around midnight, about two hours after everyone was supposed to be asleep. The wrong spoon for the tea suggests BR took charge.

If no one, or only some, were asleep, it does raise the possibility that the attack(s) were witnessed? DS may figure into this particular scenario. But how not into the pineapple snack as well? TOD is about two hours after it. DS would have to remained inside the house to at least 2am. And ridden home in the dark. It is unknown what prompted the GJ to return indictments against each parent for endangering their daughter.


The behavior of Burke and DS in the cemetery shows the lack of decorum which Patsy and John found acceptable. And in the midst of a media circus.

proust20,

But why leave her in the long johns?

Because the long johns hide the oversized size-12 Bloomingdales.

The case is patently BDI, why would the parents stage themselves into a homicide they would not want linked to if either were the person who assaulted JonBenet?

(Did FW know Burke pretended?)

Possibly not, I reckon FW thought one of the parents was responsible?

Knowing BR was given a bike for Christmas which has never been itemized on any forensic evidence list suggesting it is MISSING. Does mean it could have been used after JonBenet was killed to transport a third party along with a swag bag of evidence away from the Ramsey house.

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[UKGuy]

Good old mom would have never done that part IMO. Now the two guys... not so sure.

dgfred,
Neither Patsy or John would have redressed JonBenet in the size-12's. It defeats the purpose of the redressing.

They would have both known the size-12's represented a red flag.

This puts BR in the frame with all the amateurish staging reflecting that of child. Certainly not an adult.

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[proust20]

The issue of the size 12s depends on who knew that there was indeed another set of Bloomis. Burke did not visit NYC. He wasn't there when Patsy purchased them. If the package were wrapped, it'd be in different paper than FAO Schwarz gifts. This helped in finding it? As for BR's bike, it would not have been wrapped. How do the torn packages fit with these other two presents?

The Bloomis have no direct link to BR, as the long johns do. In fact, why not remove both the long johns and the size 12s? It would take little time to do so. If JB were left partially unclad, it'd mesh with IDI. The redressing makes that theory, which the Rs purported, more difficult. The Barbie nightgown may have been intended for JB, but was abandoned on the floor? The abuser and/or killer were aware that the SA would be revealed at autopsy. Disguising this aspect in the staging was futile from the first. Why did JR find it necessary to take the additional risk of wiping her down?

Speculation about the 23rd leads to possible/probable premeditation. If DS knew more than he ought, the Stines formed a conspiracy with the Rs. Quid pro quo?

Burke's at knifepoint tale has the advantage of explaining how JonBenet got down to the basement. Could he have managed an unconscious JB by himself down the stairs from the kitchen, much less from an upper floor?