Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #2

[rotary_dial]

PS: CARIIS, regarding the cause and manner of death. The way I understand it is like this:

Someone jumps a fence and lands on a live electric wire at a substation. The cause of death would be electrocution. The manner of death would probably be listed as "death by misadventure."

Some gets purposely pushed into a live electric wire at a substation. The cause of death would be electrocution. The manner of death would be homicide.



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[TeaTime]

I can not understand how this young man has not been located yet. I also can not understand how his friends left him alone without his jacket in the cold for 20-30 minutes before going to fetch him.

 

[secretagent]

Cause of the is the medical reason this person is no longer living. (Drowning) manner of death is the reason for the cause of death to have occurred (sucide, homicide, accidental, or unknown if there is no way to establish).

 

[queenb3577]

I did hoawever have a "hummm" and think this true statement - at that time in that temp he could still get in another bar call them and tell them he is waiting inside at X

I'm not so sure that at that time of night he could have gotten into another bar to wait. From experience, most if not all bars in the area will not let anyone in after 1:30, they are getting ready to close and giving last call etc. They close at 2 but, at least in my part of Massachusetts, closing at 2 means everyone has to be done with their drink out of the bar by 2am.

 

[Momoffourboys]

I wonder if LE is positive it's him that they saw on the video and not another person...I guess they must be if they told his family. On the other hand, there are things like this that make you wonder...

It's probably mistaken identity but I saw this in the comments on the BP facebook post about Zach. It was posted 2/17
Amber Jarosch I live in ny. I saw someone that looked just like him walking without a jacket..kinda looked confused and like he didn't belong here. I got in contact with the dtectives

Also in same thread someone saw someone that looked just like him at a bank atm

Oh! How I wish this were true.
Unfortunately, half of the twenty something male population in NY looks like Zach. Two of my boys, included.

IMO Family and LE seem confident that Zach ended up in the water.

 

[carbuff]

I'll second ElectricSheep's characterization of the area. The main part of Boston is not not not dangerous and there are people around at all hours, walking, driving, jogging. It's not a city that never sleeps the way NYC is, but they don't roll up the sidewalks either. I find the area where the city/county buildings are to be a bit spooky and less well-lit, but it appears he didn't get to that side.

I agree, North Station is ordinarily open in severe weather. Also, there would have been emergency services vans patrolling the city, helping people who need it, and there are cops everywhere around closing time, trying to keep drunk and merely buzzed college students from harming themselves or others. There ought to have been help available if he needed it.

And yes, 2:00 closing means turn out the lights and shut the doors.


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[wendybtn]

anorgewe similar case information received from the beginning of the case indicated that McCurry was intoxicated on the night he disappeared. As a result, investigators have considered the possibility that McCurry attempted to cross the St. Louis River or harbor in an attempt to get back to Duluth."

but
The only drugs detected in toxicology screening was Hydrozyzine (a prescription antihistamine).
http://footprintsattheriversedge.blogspot.com/search/label/ejected/refused service


anotjer one

d Mason was escorted out. He became separated from his friends.

His body was found two days later in the channel of the Toronto Harbor




another one
Martinez left Taylor's Bar without his jacket. According to Martinez's friends, David was kicked out of the bar by bouncers to make room for more customers waiting in line outside the bar.

police found Martinez's body at the bottom of a decorative pond outside Taylor's Bar frozen under one-inch of ice.

David's family has hired an attorney,

another one

escorted out of the bar; it was the last time Matt LaCrosse was seen.On Friday, March 8, 2008, the body of Matt LaCrosse was pulled from the Penebscot River.

presumed cause of death was accidental drowning.

another one

Matt was asked to leave the bar after a dispute over his bill. Neither police or bar staff would permit him back into the bar to retreive his belongings. He was last seen going out into 20-degree weather without his coat, wallet or cell phone. It was the last time he was seen alive. He didn't appear to be inebriated beyond where he wouldn't have been able to make conscious decisions."

he officer told the coatless, walletless Matt to get a cab, .


....Cause of death: drowning
Manner of death: undetermined
Injuries: no signs of foul play

how can cause of death be drowning while the manner of death is undetermented?

another one

Chris Jenkins was reportedly kicked out of the the bar. Witnesses said the head of Lone Tree security instructed staff not to allow Chris back into the bar, despite the 20-degree weather outside.

he was put out on the street. He did not have a coat, and his wallet, cell phone, and keys were inside with his friends.

It was the last time he was seen alive.


found snagged on some tree branches in the Mississippi River in downtown Minneapolis.
Case reopened, death reclassified as homicideanother one

Case reopened, death reclassified as homicide

The chief agreed that the case had not been thoroughly investigated. In 2006, Dolan reopened the case.


anoyjer one

A bartender claims to have called a taxi for Justin, but his mother has found witnesses who said Justin was refused service. He was last seen on foot, headed west away from the bar. He was found two months later in the Monongahela River.

http://www.prescriptiondrugs.com/drugs/hydroxyzine

Not all drugs are used for just one of its actions.

 

[Esse]

Looks like they will be searching again today. Bittersweet.


Police divers concluded Thursday’s search for Zachary Marr with “nothing found,” according to state police. Police said the search for the 22-year-old who went missing earlier this month will resume on Friday.

http://www.boston.com/news/2016/02/...r-concludes/o26YrHSwLZDs7i3MveGTHN/story.html

 

[Electric Sheep]

I'll second ElectricSheep's characterization of the area. The main part of Boston is not not not dangerous and there are people around at all hours, walking, driving, jogging. It's not a city that never sleeps the way NYC is, but they don't roll up the sidewalks either. I find the area where the city/county buildings are to be a bit spooky and less well-lit, but it appears he didn't get to that side.

I agree, North Station is ordinarily open in severe weather. Also, there would have been emergency services vans patrolling the city, helping people who need it, and there are cops everywhere around closing time, trying to keep drunk and merely buzzed college students from harming themselves or others. There ought to have been help available if he needed it.

And yes, 2:00 closing means turn out the lights and shut the doors.


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In that neighborhood, the biggest fear is having your car towed. Seriously.

 

[carbuff]

The family of a 24-year-old man who drowned on a February night last year after wandering drunkenly into Boston Harbor has brought a wrongful death lawsuit against a Financial District bar, claiming the establishment kicked him out and left him to “fend for himself.’’

This is the case I was referring to earlier, Its in same area as our case here. That is why I beleive that the bars statement declaring definitivly that he was nod denied reentery is BS.

Folks in "industries" would tend to be "aware" - Hey did you hear Bob is getting sued for...............

IMO BIH is totally in CYA mode. There "are" reasons why it took them till (lawyer huddle!) Monday to release a statement regarding renetry.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/14/family-boston-man-who-drowned-harbor-sues-bar/SaxUUj931fBrMQDKOpVXaN/story.html


Man who died of hypothermia was asked to leave nightclub after taking off his shirt.

Michael Allessandro Ellis without his coat and backpack — which reportedly contained a hat — in the early morning hours of Nov. 23, when the temperature dipped to 18 degrees. That tied as the lowest in Portland in 2010.

Downtown Portland nightclub sued for $2.5


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/downtown_portland_nightclub_su.html

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/14/family-boston-man-who-drowned-harbor-sues-bar/SaxUUj931fBrMQDKOpVXaN/story.html

That is not Boston or Boston Harbor. That is Portland Maine, several hours' drive away.

You keep talking about how many young men drown in Boston, but as a percentage of drunk young men wandering around Boston on any given night, it's minuscule.




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[carbuff]

In that neighborhood, the biggest fear is having your car towed. Seriously.

I thought it was being hit up by an annoying panhandler [emoji4]

I'm only an occasional visitor, and that's out of the areaI usually visit, so I would attribute most of my unease to unfamiliarity.

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[CARIIS]

hi folks

The notion that the bridge is suppossed to have gapping holes in it is bizairre. IWhy in the picture shown are 9 men filling it in with plywood right aftert this?

 

[frisson]

That is not Boston or Boston Harbor. That is Portland Maine, several hours' drive away.

You keep talking about how many young men drown in Boston, but as a percentage of drunk young men wandering around Boston on any given night, it's minuscule.




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For me, if folks are being put out in freezing (and below) temperatures without their belongings which are in the establishment, - hat, coat, wallet, keys, phone or any combination of above, then one person ending up dead is one too many.

I agree with the mention above, call the cops if they need to; call a cab; but don't leave a person outside.... especially someone who has been drinking and we can presume that people drink at a bar. Even if someone were drinking plain 7Up, they don't need to be denied re entry in minus 9 degree weather imo.

 

[CARIIS]

I'm not so sure that at that time of night he could have gotten into another bar to wait. From experience, most if not all bars in the area will not let anyone in after 1:30, they are getting ready to close and giving last call etc. They close at 2 but, at least in my part of Massachusetts, closing at 2 means everyone has to be done with their drink out of the bar by 2am.

Thats funny here:

unless it is acooperate entity like TGIF (!) Last call is called 10 min before, 2 they serve till about 5 10 min after 2 and bar is actually totally empty around 230-240!

They do start a more aggressive "come on guys lets wrap it up here" around 220!!


But last call here only relates to serving a drink , has nothing to do with club being empty "AT" 2!! Many are fine with folks lingering till even later as long as not in the way of closing out

as far as locking door they will do it around 5 min before two - again only related to serving alcohol not patrons inside !!

 

[carbuff]

For me, if folks are being put out in freezing (and below) temperatures without their belongings which are in the establishment, - hat, coat, wallet, keys, phone or any combination of above, then one person ending up dead is one too many.

I agree with the mention above, call the cops if they need to; call a cab; but don't leave a person outside.... especially someone who has been drinking and we can presume that people drink at a bar. Even if someone were drinking plain 7Up, they don't need to be denied re entry in minus 9 degree weather imo.

So you're saying that the bars in Boston are personally responsible for seeing that roughly 10,000 students in varying degrees of drunkeness get home safely no matter what?

 

[CARIIS]

Oh! How I wish this were true.
Unfortunately, half of the twenty something male population in NY looks like Zach. Two of my boys, included.

IMO Family and LE seem confident that Zach ended up in the water.

HAs the family said anything ? The only thing I remember is in the very beginning?

 

[CARIIS]

Area arounsd there search google images

 

[CARIIS]

showed him heading toward the Surface Artery.

is this in the direction of where the video saw him?

 

[queenb3577]

So you're saying that the bars in Boston are personally responsible for seeing that roughly 10,000 students in varying degrees of drunkeness get home safely no matter what?

Actually, Massachusetts is pretty strict on establishments who over-serve customers. Not only does the establishment get in trouble but the server or bartender can get fines and even jail time for over serving a patron who then goes on to drive. Even if they aren't driving, the establishment is responsible for them because if they are drunk they could fall and break their leg, or in this case go for a walk and end up in the water. If a patron enters and establishment and is already drunk, you are not allowed to serve them, but you are responsible for their safety. You have to do your best to keep them there and wait for them to sober up, call someone for them and if they refuse and try to drive, call the police. If the bar really wouldn't let him in to get his coat and people he was with, they are liable for this. If it is found that he was very intoxicated (not sure how they will be able to tell) but they will be liable in that case as well. I don't have a source for all of this but I am a bartender in Massachusetts which is how I know. I had to get TIP certified in the past which is where I originally learned how strict the state of Massachusetts is with this.

 

[CARIIS]

That is not Boston or Boston Harbor. That is Portland Maine, several hours' drive away.

You keep talking about how many young men drown in Boston, but as a percentage of drunk young men wandering around Boston on any given night, it's minuscule.




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Yeh its small on overall numbers. I have shared many media outlets who are bringing up the similairity between several of those cases.

I am certain texting claims more lives each year kidding!